Pro-Abortion?

I'm also insulted that he sneered at a woman's health being a reason to have an abortion. When I was in high school, a friend of mine died from a back room abortion. I will never allow that to happen again if I can help it.

There is a reason for the sneer at "for the health of the woman". That is a loop hole of sorts that Democrats put into legislation because legally it can mean anything. Legally, she just didn't want to have the baby. Republicans are completely FOR a clause which says for the life of the mother, or other specific physical health. But health of the mother just basically means that if she doesn't want the baby a doctor can just say it's not best for her health. This is a trick that the Dems keep using to mess up bills and legislation, and make pro life people look like they don't even care about the mother, which is so far from the truth it's ridiculous.

That is nonsense. And no offense but why is it always blamed on the DEMS? You are a fool if you think all Republicans are all anti choice or all Dems are Pro Chice. And we are NOT for abortions we are FOR you or anyone else not making a personal decision. What right do you have to tell a peraon what to do with their body, that is a personal choice, not yours or anyone else.

Why so angry? First, I never said all Dems are for and all Repubs are against. I just stated a simple fact -- and it is a fact -- of what the argument is about the phrase, "for the health of the mother".

No, it's not a fact, it's your interpretation. There are hundreds of things that can effect a woman's mental and physical health that aren't life threatening, they are quality of life threatening. And putting "to save the life of the mother" literally means only that. If you're going to die, you can get one. If not, then just suck it up. That is BS.

That's how I feel. I don't think it's the government's job to make that decision. I was appalled that John McCain would say what he did last night.

I have to agree with this 100% it is not the business of the government to interfere in our personal choices and lives of anyone yet consistently they do in many areas of our life. From having children, to raising, educating them and training them. The interfere in the moral and ethics of peoples beliefs and rights. This is exactly one of the reasons our forefathers made the much abused and mis-used 1st amendment. Women have a right under the first amendment to chose. It has to do with belief, creed and yet we have laws that consistently undermine this amendment. It is time we tell government to butt out. Why because even God gives us the freedom of choice. There maybe consequences for the choice sooner or later but it is a right and freedom that is even God given. Well said Mcat19

I completely disagree. "Because if you're pro choice then the majority says you're going to have an abortion."? I am against abortion, but it isn't the government's place to tell another woman what to do with her life. So, yes, I am pro-choice, but I could never have an abortion myself. Look, I am not the only woman in the world. Not everyone agrees that abortion is morally wrong. You cannot legislate morality.

I agree, God and government don't hold hands. Then you should be pro life instead of pro choice if you don't agree with abortion. How about pro adoption, where's the argument for that worthy cause?

I say if you don't agree with abortion then don't have one. You have no right to tell anyone else what to do if they're faced with what to them may be a desperate situation. Those who can't just mind their own business regarding this issue could put their time to much better use by working to decrease the number of unwanted pregnancies as well as improve conditions for those who feel abortion is their best or ONLY real option.
Annie

First let me clarify I am totally against abortion for any reason. However I am also against the government telling anyone what to do in their personal life.
We have the political vs the moral ethics.

Here is the situation. Under our constitutional laws of the USA we have freedoms. Amendment 1 part one Says "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion (meaning they cannot make one religious order over and above the others) or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. (This gives people the right to choose what they believe and why) The rest of us have no right to impose our values, belief or creed or morals on others anymore than they have a right to impose it on us. That is why the government should not be involved with a womans right to choose they violate the 1st amendment.

Second lets look at it from a moral, religious view what does God have to say about it? Matt: 7:1 Judge NOT that you be not judged, for with what judgement you judge it will be judged. Judgement for what people choose is reserved for God. We have no right to judge others choice; We have the right to disagree with them and the right to choose different than them but we have no right to impose our belief on them.

God knows why a woman chooses to abort an unborn fetus a child his gift. He will judge them and we don't have the right to do so. If they were or are wrong he and he alone will deal with that. It is NOT between you and them. It is between you and God. Some may not believe in God that is their right and choice.

So though I do not agree abortion for any reason is Okay that is my belief and my right to believe it. If my sister believes the opposite it is her right to choose and beleive abortion is okay. I believe it is murder she may not. God says in Romans 12:19; Repay no one evil for evil, Have regard for the good things in the sight of men. If it is possible as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men (women) Beloved do NOT avenge yourselves but rather give place to wrath for it is written, Vengeance is mine, I will repay saith the Lord.

What some are point out in the discussion is the government has no right to impose a law one way or another under the 1st amendment laws. They are not supposed to make these type of decisions, yet they do.

A Christian has no more right over a Buddist or a Buddist over a Muslim, Or a pro-choice over a pro-life. That is the problem with Obama and McCain and all politicians who should never have got involved in ethical and moral religious affairs in the first place.

What does God say about it? Thou shall not kill.

You are mistaken in your interpretation of not judging, the injunction is not to judge the person, not against judging the act.

all the best urban

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Thanks, drannhh! I wish other people felt that way.

All who advocate the freedom of woman to choose to abort are by implication pro-choice. To say they are not is dishonest.

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Yes, but my point is that it is also pro-Choice to have the right NOT to abortk, and it is as important to safeguard the rights of one view as of the other. Thanks for your input.

oops my previous post should have read;

All who advocate the freedom of woman to choose to abort are by implication pro-abortion. To say they are not is dishonest.

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I can't believe anyone could choose abortions as a method of birth control.

Yet many do

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Who said McCain isn't interested in working to resolve the reasons women and girls feel the need to seek abortions? Why are you putting words in the man's mouth?
McCain believes it is a matter for the states to decide, and he said that during the debate last night. He said NOTHING about not being willing to work with anyone to decrease abortions and the reasons some women have them! He's NEVER said anything like that! AND in fact, McCain's record shows he is ALWAYS willing to work with the "other side" on every issue.

I think you'd be very surprised to read the statistics on how many women die from/during abortions, now that they are legal, NOT when they were illegal.

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Lol I called my daughter a parasite throughout my pregnancy. You'll be pleased to know that she is a healthy and happy 5 year old.:p

But I get your point.

"When a woman says it's necessary as birth control, or starts referring to unborn children as parasites and benign tumors, that makes them pro-abortion. Granted, those statements are pretty extreme and not all pro-abortion people will be that blatant. I have seen those statements on mylot numerous times. The people who speak that way are more common in the religion part of the forum so you won't see as many of them in politics."

I've never seen those statements on here. It's hard to believe anyone could say such a thing.

It may be hard to believe, but it happens. Trust me, I couldn't make that kind of crap up.

When Roe vs Wade happened, science was unable to determine when life starts. It was up for debate and opinions, because they really just didn't know. They didn't know if it was just cells until a certain month or what. But now they do know. I don't believe you can any longer find a medical doctor or scientist stating that the fetus is not a life from the moment of conception, a human life.
You said "it's not a living, breathing entity for pete's sake." Yes, it IS. It IS a human LIFE, end of story. Whether it is moral or OK, to end that life is the question, NOT is it a life.

Wow, did you waste 5 minutes of your time.:p I was discussing that the CHOICE isn't a living, breathing entity, not the fetus. Please point to one section when I disavowed that a fetus was living? Thanks for your comment though.:)

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How can you say that it's up to the women? Who speaks for the child? NOONE has the right to kill another human being! "their bodies"? That baby is not "their body"!!!

"not their body"

But the FETUS is a parasite living off of the mother's body, therefore, like a cancerous tumor, she can do with it what she pleases.

Don't like it? Then don't get an abortion!

No, go look up the definition of parasite. The foetus is not a parasite.

It is human and it is alive, by any definition. Killing it is taking human life.

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