Giving and Angel Trees - are people greedy?
By mommyboo
@mommyboo (13174)
United States
December 27, 2008 1:49pm CST
I put this under people because it relates to people as much as it does to gifts and what people ask for. This is the first year I did not take my daughter to pick a tag and buy a gift. We used to pick two tags. This year when I looked, EVERYBODY, including kids her age (4 and 5 years old) all wanted things like Xboxes and PSPs and Iphones and Ipods and Gamestop gift cards. I don't know about you but I can't afford to buy things like that for 'needy' kids. I'm not sure if I'm disappointed or angry, I mean when you aren't going to have a christmas at ALL, can't you ask for something reasonable? Who expects a benevolent stranger to buy them an Xbox 360??! What about something like a COAT? Maybe a $25 gift card so they can pick out something they want?
And these tags had 3 gifts listed on them. In the past, I have gotten tags that had several gift SUGGESTIONS on them which were more categories like - clothing (football jersey) or shoes (heelys) or toys (barbie).
Is it just me or have kids gotten greedy? My own kids will ask for things like this sometimes but we also know for awhile and can budget for it. The way things have been most of this year it's dismal. I definitely do not ask for the moon on a silver platter from other people, I never have. I don't teach my kids to ask other people for things. Are other people teaching their kids to count on the kindness of others, or worse, to EXPECT other people to put up with greed??
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13 responses
@sudalunts (5523)
• United States
27 Dec 08
I wouldn't buy such expensive gifts for children under the angel program either. I am looking at it like a child would, if someone asked me what I wanted I would tell them. These children need to be instructed as to what to ask for and what not to ask for. There should be an adult who oversees what the children are writing down. the child may see it as my parents can not afford it for me, but maybe someone else will since I can ask for what I want.
We had such a program at church before, and the tags simply said, female, 10 years or male 7 years. It was up to the person who picked their tag to buy what they wanted. I think when you start asking chidren what they want, they will tell you. Some children understand their situations and ask for sensible things, then there are other children who just want what they want.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
27 Dec 08
The kids don't ask, the parents do. It's up to the parent to make the decision of what the kid wants and what should be asked for.
@sudalunts (5523)
• United States
27 Dec 08
I see, that makes it even worse, the parents should not request such things, they should be asking for things like hats, sweaters, socks etc.
thank you for enlightening me.
Happy New Year
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
27 Dec 08
If it remember right it is one toy and one article of clothes per child. It's up to the person buying the items whether or not they want to do more.

@alyssakenzie (462)
• United States
27 Dec 08
It seems that every year they are asking for more and more expensive things. I used to do it every year and there was always there lines one for there clothes sizes, one for there shoe size and what they would like, and one for a toy and the toy was always reasonable and many times I was able to get them an outfit, shoes, and the toy at a price I could afford. This year when I looked most of the cards were filled with nothing but toy requests and it was stuff that I wouldn't of bought for my own children at that age. I hate that they are not getting anything for Christmas but you would think they would be happy with what someone could afford to buy them.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Dec 08
Exactly. Also when I was a kid I would have been thrilled to have THREE gifts to open, even if one was clothing and one was shoes because it is just cool to have several things to open instead of just one. Also, some of these kids don't really have many clothes, so you'd think they would be happy with an outfit.
Like I mentioned too, the economy was so dismal this year, we even cut back on things we bought, and I hit the black friday sale and other sales in order to manage.
@alyssakenzie (462)
• United States
29 Dec 08
This was the first year that I gave in and went to the black friday sales. I knew I had to so that I could get more for my money and I also did a lot of online shopping and saved quite a bit. Most people are having to watch everything that they spend since no one knows when the economy will start to pick up again. I just wonder why no one bothered to help put some affordable stuff that the kids would like on there with the expensive gifts so that someone could of known what else they could have gotten them. I hope that next year will be a better year.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Dec 08
What is crazy is that because so many of these tags included 3 high priced electronics as 'wants', people were NOT taking the tags and buying ANY gifts at all. This is why I think the greediness is hurting people.
I also heard on the news that because of the economy, food banks and places that served meals to homeless and needy people had even LESS food to help anybody out.
@oldboy46 (2129)
• Australia
28 Dec 08
They aren't called Angel trees here in Australia as far as I know or at least I have not seen that name in the past. However there are Christmas trees with tags attached for people to take and buy a Christmas present. The ones I have seen mostly have just "Girl Aged 6" or whatever although one year I did see one where a specific present was listed. Friends were impressed that the gift request was reasonable so they actually bought for 4 children that year. They later heard that the children were guided in their requests and could ask for something that cost no more than $20.
I suspect that with the tags you saw mummyboo that it was the parents who were making the request and not the actual child. There would be very few children aged under 6 who can write and spell well enough to ask for something so expensive. Those parents who do not take the time and trouble to explain to their child that a small gift is what they will receive and not something like an XBox are being totally irresponsible. They are also sending the wrong message to their child about the whole gift giving/receiving scenario.
Can you imagine what it would have been like for some of those children on Christmas morning? The look on the child's face when they got a doll or small truck when they were "expecting" an xBox. Why? Because the parents did not prepare their children for this, simply because for some strange reason the parents allowed the child's expectations be raised.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Dec 08
This year especially with the dismal wall street and financial issues, I had expected people to be overall more reasonable, but it seemed like nearly the opposite was true. If by and large the gifts asked for were $20-30 gifts, I could get two tags and not wonder where I'd have to cut my corners.
There have been times in my life when I wasn't well off either, but I just tightened my belt and went on with it, I didn't go about expecting strangers to shower me with expensive things simply because I couldn't afford them myself!
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@oldboy46 (2129)
• Australia
29 Dec 08
My partner and I make all the presents we give at Christmas and that includes the wrapping paper or gift boxes we use. Also we often give things that we have made for birthday presents etc and we do this for a couople of reasons. One is that we like to give friends and family things that we have made and that we know they will appreciate and enjoy. The other of course is financial as we can make things so much cheaper than what we can buy them for. Or if we are spending say $20 pe person, then then get better gifts that are home made that we can get them for the same amount of money if we were buying gifts.
The only exceptions to this are our adult children and their spouse/partner. They all get the same amount of money for Christmas only and can buy something of their choosing.
Like you I cannot understand how or why some parents expect strangers to buy an expensive gift for their child. At the same time what parent would encourage their child to take a tag and then buy an expensive present for someone they did not know. Either way it is not a good example to set for any child.
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@marcialoyd (1173)
• United States
27 Dec 08
When I was a little girl I was happy with a new doll ! :-) I agree they should not want these outrageously priced gifts however, I do not agree with the poster who said the parents should ask for simple things like socks, hats,etc. These children have a right to toys on christmas morning like every other kid in the world. Think back when you were 6 years old. Would you have been happy with just clothes on Christmas morning?
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
28 Dec 08
I agree and I'm shaking my head over some of the reactions.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Dec 08
Definitely, I think a doll (or a barbie or whatever) is perfectly reasonable. I don't think a kid should only get socks or a coat - but if they NEED socks or a coat, that trumps them asking for an XBox 360. I'm sorry, I just found that one extra unreasonable, given that I saw it listed on at least 5 of 10 tags I looked at this year.
I also see nothing wrong with a bike, a scooter, rollerblades, or sports equipment, even if it is more than $50-60. I wasn't a greedy kid though, never was.
@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
29 Dec 08
In my experience boo, greed is the engine that fuels progress. Whether it be greed of self indulgence, social change or the pursuit of power, it is something that has been bred into the fabric of our being. It makes people selfish and takes away their ability to see the forest for the trees. When I was raising my kids, I couldn't afford all the 'gifts of choice' that were on everyone else's list either, let alone what we gave to toy drives and such. Every year I worried myself sick that my boys would be disappointed in the choices I made. They never were. In families like yours and mine, greed is not allowed to take root and grow and I find it disillusioning that 'needy' kids can no longer see that "one small tree decorated with love" is much more meaningful than a "huge commercial one decorated to impress".
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
29 Dec 08
Well said boo. Sounds to me like your values are solid and you have succeeded where so many parents have failed..............your kids have adopted your values too. Keep up the good work. We need more giving and less receiving in this world, no matter what our economic situation. It doesn't cost a penny to give of ourselves!
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Dec 08
Because of the way I was raised, I have a hard time dealing with people who don't appreciate what I or others do. While it is normal and natural for people to want things (when you have no dreams, no wishes no goals, you die) it is not normal or natural to want things AT THE EXPENSE of others.
You will not BELIEVE how frustrating it is to hear your kid say 'but MOM, so and so is getting x thing and so and so is getting y thing and it's not fair that I'm getting neither one' (and what they dont' know is that x thing and y thing cost $800 and you already spent $400 on them for OTHER things they wanted etc etc). I usually feel like saying 'I am not so and so's mother but if I WAS you can bet I wouldn't spend $800 on x and y thing!'
Fortunately stuff like that is more the exception than the rule, and it hasn't happened in several years.
The best part for me since having kids is seeing their faces and watching them enjoy the gifts we picked out and wrapped, knowing they would be played with, loved, and appreciated.
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@Little_Stormy (6883)
• United States
28 Dec 08
Chances are good that it's not the child asking for the expensive gift at all.. but rather the parent of the child. I've noticed a trend in the past few years, people buy these gifts for the kids on the angel tree and the parents take the stuff back for a refund. many places, like wal-mart will take things back without a receipt.
There are some really pathetic parents out there.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Dec 08
Oh that is so awful Stormy! To be honest I never even thought about this, ugh I can hardly believe it. I don't return things very often at all, so I guess that's why I didn't consider it. hmph, a way to get some extra money in an underhanded way. Way to go, people.
I always have a receipt when I return things, and the few times I've been unlucky enough to not be able to find the receipt, someone at the store recognizes me because they were the one who sold me the item or the receipt was retrievable from the computer via my payment method and zip code.
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@CinderInMySoul (4717)
• United States
28 Dec 08
we didnt do the angel tree this year either. we looked at 3 different tags on the angel tree at walmart, and 2 wanted bikes and the 3rd wanted a PSP. so we had to pass, felt awful but i couldnt afford to get any of it for my household either.
i did TRY to make up for it a bit when i went to the dollar store for wrapping paper. they were also asking for donations, $1 for a medium sized stuffed animal toy ...we bought 5 of them lol. not great, but better than nothing right?
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Dec 08
I donated several times to the folks outside the dollar store getting donations for the homeless. I don't see any harm in that, and they also accept food donations there for the food banks. I can afford to do things like that, it's a small thing but small things are still valuable.
My faith in people isn't completely ruined, I will probably look next year but it might take me awhile to find something I consider reasonable as far as a tag and/or gift.
@annjilena (5618)
• United States
28 Dec 08
wow you are right they shouldn,t be so greedy those xboxws cost over 400 dollars rgar high for a stranger it would be different if you could afford it.ies i have to say people have gotten greedy parents should explain to the child how expensive these games are and teach them not tp ask other for gifts so expensive because some kids think we have money.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Dec 08
Well finding out that it might be the parents asking for those expensive gifts and even worse that they may be doing it in an attempt to get the gift and then return it to the store for the money makes me sick.
Even so, if those two things aren't coming into play, I still think a reasonable gift suggestion should be listed on those tags for people who can only afford to spend $30 or so - better a needy child get SOMETHING rather than nothing because their gift ideas were too expensive.
We used to do gift exchanges at work and we even put a price cap on those... in general it was about $25 or less. Depending on who we got, some of us spent more but we budgeted for it... and some people even withdrew from the exchange because they weren't able to afford it.
@Galena (9110)
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28 Dec 08
I've not heard of this idea, but it sounds like a nice idea gone wrong.
the trouble is, if the parents are putting things like that, it sounds like they are depriving their child of receiving anything at all, as no one will buy something so expensive as that.
surely they'd rather receive something sensibly priced than nothing at all.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Dec 08
Yep, that's exactly it. It's like they are shooting themselves in the foot by not being reasonable. It's only been bad recently. When I was a kid my parents sometimes would buy gifts to donate, and I helped pick them out. That's how I learned about this - by being exposed to it when I was a kid. I still think it's a neat idea but again it has to be reasonable. I have enjoyed sharing this tradition of helping with my daughter too, but she knows as well as I do that we budgeted for her brother's game system the year before sooo....
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
27 Dec 08
I certainly wouldn't buy for some stranger what I couldn't buy for my own kids. On certain things I would consider what could be bought from a pawn shop, especially game systems.
On the other hand you have the ones who take the tag but make barely an effort. The lean times I went the angel tree route my son asked for simple toys. One year he asked for a car wash toy. Not much to it and not expensive. He got a plastic dollar store car that didn't even last the day. Heck, I'm not even sure it was a new toy. They didn't even try.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Dec 08
I think it is lousy for someone to buy something that isn't even decent quality, but these kids need to think about the value they are asking for. I don't think that people should never donate, but donating means you are giving of your surplus, not taking from your family to care for someone else. It is just shocking to look at a tag from a 7 year old kid who thinks someone who doesn't even know him could afford to buy him a $300 Iphone lol. I mean even if I COULD I don't think I would. I wouldn't buy my own kids Iphones.
I know with Toys for Tots they HAVe to be new toys, I don't think you have to wrap them but they do need to include the tags or be in the packaging.
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
29 Dec 08
that is horrible! i mean it would be nice if people could afford that but that is just wrong to be wanting something huge when your not even suppose to have gotten anything.. most people doing those things cant afford much and are really cutting back on their own personal purchases so they can give a little and so they cant afford to give things like that.. i would be ashamed of my kids if they had signed up for it and then asked for something so expensive..
not to mention that the games they will beat eventually then what?? the parents wont be able to buy them more to play!
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
30 Dec 08
LOL! Believe me, I wish I could afford to help everybody who stuck their hand out. And if I had as much money as Bill Gates, I might do something to help the average person instead of just donating to corporations.... I see a lot of people like that donating chunks to charities but it would be nicer if they would just pass out money to the rest of us.
I am even appalled when my kids make jokes to my friends and ask them for things - although if it's a joke I just give them the evil eye and we laugh about it after.
I am even appalled when my kids make jokes to my friends and ask them for things - although if it's a joke I just give them the evil eye and we laugh about it after. @bunnybon7 (50970)
• Holiday, Florida
27 Dec 08
i can see your point
before i stayed at my daughters, her 3 kids were lucky if they got much. then, i stayed there one yr. 2 years ago and they had plenty of food, better things, etc. when xmas came they seemed to think they'd suddenly become rich and started asking for things like xbox and ipods
my daughter "borrowed" money from me for xmas, then made sure they got them. so, guess what this year they were very sad because they couldnt have all they wanted. yes, i think most kids these days are very greedy
especially here in our country. they are never taught what xmas is really about.
before i stayed at my daughters, her 3 kids were lucky if they got much. then, i stayed there one yr. 2 years ago and they had plenty of food, better things, etc. when xmas came they seemed to think they'd suddenly become rich and started asking for things like xbox and ipods
my daughter "borrowed" money from me for xmas, then made sure they got them. so, guess what this year they were very sad because they couldnt have all they wanted. yes, i think most kids these days are very greedy
especially here in our country. they are never taught what xmas is really about. @crimsonladybug (3112)
• United States
28 Dec 08
I think young kids like you are talking about (4-5) aren't necessarily being greedy. They don't really have a concept of what an X-Box costs, just that the other kids have them and talk about how fun they are, so naturally they want one too.
How many little girls ask for a pony when they have absolutely no clue what goes into caring for one? Yeah, the pony itself is expensive but then you have to buy food and shelter and tack and and and....but little girls don't see all of that, they just see the pretty pony.
I can see getting upset over older kids who are 10 or so asking for these things but they have a better understanding of what $300 really means. And maybe they've seen too many movies about benevolent old rich guys who buy one really extravagant gift for one needy child each Christmas and they hope this year will be theirs. Maybe?
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Dec 08
You know, you're right about that. When I was a little girl I really really desperately wanted a horse. I did understand why I couldn't have one though and now i REALLY understand it, because not only are they expensive, it takes a lot of work to even just take care of one lol. I don't think any kids truly understand something like that until they are older.
One thing that really surprised me too were kids who were 16 and 17 with tags on the tree. When I was that age, I worked odd jobs and part time and I had my own income to supplement and buy myself things I wanted. Is there some reason why kids who are 16 and 17 are not doing that? I could have earned the money to buy myself a game system, a cell phone, and an Ipod long before Christmas.













