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It's Not a War til the Wrong People Shoot Back. email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 59/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 405 out of 6,342 in politics12 months ago

I've wondered why it isn't a war until the US shoots back, but now apparently it's time to add to the list. When Hamas bombed Israel it went all but unnoticed by most of the world. However, when Israel fired back, it was "threatening to become a war". The UN, governments and people started complaining and protesting that Israel shouldn't be killing Palistinians... but didn't Hamas start the killing in the first place?

The UN stated that the response by Israel was disproportionate, but what is "disportionate" to an unprovoked attack by people who want to blow Israel off the face of the earth?

Why do we think like that? We talk as if terrorism is the scourge of all that is good in the world, but heaven help the people who actually stand up to terrorists or fight back. We should be rallying around those who fight back, but instead we seem to respect and honor those who call for cowardice and laying back and taking it.

 
 
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tags:  israel, hamas, war, palistine, terrorist
 
1. myLot reputation of 76/100. myklj999 (7262)   ranked 129 out of 6,342 in politics   12 months ago

Shame on Israel!angry

Fighting back just because somebody is shooting rockets at them. thumbdown

Don't they know if they just ignore Hamas...and all the death and destruction they are causing...that sooner or later they will just go away?whistle


myLot reputation of 59/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 405 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

True, the "Lay Back and Take it" policies of the west against terrorism have worked so well, why can't Israel see that?:~D

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2. myLot reputation of 76/100. lilwonders456 (1901)   ranked 60 out of 6,342 in politics   12 months ago

Yep that is what I am seeing to. For some reason it is not Hamas fault for shotting off the rockets and killing innocent people in Israel....but somehow it is Israel's fault for taking up for herself. And who the heck cares about "disproportionate" in a war? If someone attacks you fight to protect yourself with everything you have.


myLot reputation of 50/100. Taskr36 (4564)   ranked 424 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

Didn't Hamas also kill a few Palestinian school girls recently as well? Oh well, I'm sure that's Israel's fault for not being where the rockets landed. I don't really get the disproportionate crap. If I have ten rockets and you have 2, does that mean I'm only allowed to fire two of my ten rockets?


myLot reputation of 59/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 405 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

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myLot reputation of 84/100. CarlKnittel (362)   ranked 251 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

George HW Bush didn't care about disproportionate in desert storm so the war was swift and decisive. George W Bush allowed congress to dictate a politically correct military doctrine and we're still fighting. Bush 41 - Iraqi soldiers surrendered to CNN camara crews. Bush 43 - Iraqi insurgents, many of them former members of Saddam's elite forces, capture and behead our news crews. I prefer disproportionate any day.

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3. myLot reputation of 73/100. bobmnu (2647)   ranked 189 out of 6,342 in politics   11 months ago

Once again Para you fail to see the big picture. Hamas is the poor little guy and Israel is the bully. Israel is a free country and has taken a worthless peice of land and made it productive and the average citizen can live in comfort, while the Palistinians are forced to pay homage to the PLO or Hamas leaders who are getting rich. How dare the Israelis think that they can take poor people and make a rich nation out of nothing. They should be like the other Arab states and stomp on the people, keep them in povierty and see that only the few select families get rich and enjoy the fruits of the peoples labor.

At least President Bush unstood that we, the US, loses if Israel is defeated. You need to be tough with Hamas and either they follow the establishe agreements of they need to be forced to follow the rules. There will be real peace in the Middle East when Israel has peace talks in Iran after they capture it.


myLot reputation of 59/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 405 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

Have you ever noticed that when Arabs and Israelis come to an agreement, it always ends up benefitting the Arabs and hurting Israel? I guess that's not supposed to be noticed.


myLot reputation of 84/100. CarlKnittel (362)   ranked 251 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

Lasting peace has never come from anything less than decisive victory.

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4. myLot reputation of 50/100. Taskr36 (4564)   ranked 424 out of 6,342 in politics   11 months ago

For some reason people really want to like the terrorists no matter what they do. Over the last 20 years both Clinton and Bush worked their a$$es off trying to get peace between Israel and Palestine. Both of them managed to get Israel agree to giving the Palestinians land and half the capital but the terrorists wouldn't allow it. They've violated every cease-fire and yet Israel gets blamed for retaliating after Hamas attacks them. I still hear people say how horrible the US was for using nukes on Japan in WWII. They don't want to admit that Japan started that fight or that they refused to surrender and kept attacking after the first bomb. Then you get morons like Ted Turner and Deepak Chopra who think that if we sent doctors over to help terrorists that they'd suddenly be our friends.

You just can't win with people who actively want to hate America and will criticize ousting a dictator in one place, while simultaneously criticizing us for not ousting a dictator somewhere else.


myLot reputation of 59/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 405 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

Yup, "Palistinians" have been handed 80% of their demands, only to refuse them because they demand 100% or nothing. Whining children.

The historic irony of it all is, the term "Palistinian" used to be used to refer to Jews.:~D

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5. myLot reputation of 65/100. BCMike (3316)   ranked 333 out of 6,342 in politics   11 months ago

That's because people in this world do not know the meaning of a word.

All of these protesters want "PEACE" but none can define peace in a way where everybody gets something desirable of it.

It's like our laws. Who are the laws designed for? Do you think they are designed to control the lawless heathens within our midst? "WRONG!!!"

Our laws are designed to restrain those who would obey laws generally. We all know that packing a gun in public is against most laws. Who then obeys them then? The same people who want to lead a quite life raising a quiet family in their quiet, peaceful neighbourhoods.

The drug dealing, filth smuggling, murdering pieces of crap we call career criminals, don't give a rat's butt about you, your cops, your courts and especially your stupid whimpy laws.

That's why we are so shocked when somebody does some very public murder. We can barely imagine someone breaking a law.

We would do well to train our kids to expect the worst, and be glad if it doesn't happen and train them to fight back.


myLot reputation of 59/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 405 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

True, "Peace" seems to have come to mean sitting around getting raped, murdered and robbed... as long as no bullets fly, I guess we have "peace".


myLot reputation of 50/100. Taskr36 (4564)   ranked 424 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

Kind of like that old saying that locks only keep honest people out.


myLot reputation of 67/100. Matthammer (288)   ranked 2,081 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

Completely agree with Mike there.
In the past (centuries) certain situations and events were deemed inappropriate and frowned upon. As time passed they have evolved to being crimes and various bills have been passed to outlaw certain practices and past-times.
I fail to see a day when a criminal is going to cease their activities based on words and paper and furthermore the lack of realistic deterrant actions.

Those who embody the lawless, violent, dangerous sectors of the population will never strive for something such as peace that has no benefit for them.
Peace might let you share land, knowledge and life with the rest of the population, but greed and violence provokes the theft of all those.


myLot reputation of 84/100. CarlKnittel (362)   ranked 251 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

The only problem I see is that you make an invalid comparison between the average westerner and Hamas. Most normal folks will cease bad behavior if they believe it will get them killed. Witness the teens robbing German tourists in Florida because "locals are allowed to carry guns". They robbed the ones that couldn't kill them.

Hamas believes the only guaranteed path to paradise is to be martyred. They will not stop until they are dead. Peace is not their desire and death is not their fear. decisive victory of the kind that convinces all potential followers that it isn't profitable to continue is the only path to peace and even that is not guaranteed. Witness the Muslim desire to reconquer Spain ever since the Moors lost control of it. As far as they are concerned that land is Allah's and they will not cease attacks until it is given back to them or they are all dead.


myLot reputation of 65/100. BCMike (3316)   ranked 333 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

Also reminds me of a two year old in a toy store. To them, if you can see it and touch it, surely it must be yours.

 
6. myLot reputation of 21/100. kennyrose (4040)   ranked 2,969 out of 6,342 in politics   11 months ago

Well soon our president-elect can sit down with Hamas over some cookies and milk and have a little chat I'm sure that is the ticket for ever lasting peace in the middle east.
I read tonight it is looking like president-elect will be getting rid of some of our defenses like wire taps,ya I bet he is just pi**ed over them dammed wire taps and I can understand why they are not his or his buddies best friend these day's.
The dude president-elect appointed head of CIA I read has no experience in the field but do not fear his other experican will make up for it so I have been told.
I'm beginning to see the light Joe Biden on record said mark my words with in six month president-elect will be tested,Oh joy great time to get rid of what that Texas cowboy George used to keep us American safe for the past 7-1/2 year's,Thank you president George W. Bush!!!
Shame on you Bob we are not to call them "TERRORIST"don't they have appointed to them a much softer name these day's?
Good for Israel after all some one blast rockets in to our back yards won't we whip their butts>>> WE CAN STILL HOPE RIGHT!!!





myLot reputation of 59/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 405 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

Everybody Sing Everyone's Favorite Campfire Song...

Kumbayah Allah... Kumbayah...;~D

 
7. myLot reputation of 71/100. Troublegum (396)   ranked 476 out of 6,342 in politics   11 months ago

The issue is that war is a word that Israel and the USA care to use. Hamas doesn't bother declaring war because they are an organization larger than any one countries government, so declaring war with only part of their organization is not worth the effort.


myLot reputation of 59/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 405 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

They don't use the word "war" because they prefer to use more peaceful terms like, "wipe off the face of the earth".


myLot reputation of 71/100. Troublegum (396)   ranked 476 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

Yes that does sound more like they are tidying up. Kind of like how I just wiped oatmeal off the face of my 2year old rather than going to war with him

 
8. myLot reputation of 88/100. sunil_008 (654)   ranked 4,433 out of 6,342 in politics   11 months ago

hamas is a group which is involving themselves for the freedom of palistinin's area which they claim that under israels occupation. it is one of the worlds most volatile are i think where there is always blood shed battle between these two groups. in retaliation when israeli army fights back the world see the the entire nation is after it. though i am going to take a funny note about the whole situation. why not israel forms a group to retaliate to hama rather than sending their army. things wont come to that lime light.but in the end i would say that disputes about everything whould be settled with dialouges no war can resolve it. take all the wars that you know from the history what they have gained . i think absolutely nothing. loss is the only synonyms of a war.


myLot reputation of 59/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 405 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

Hamas is a group of whining babies whose only goal is to finish what Hitler failed to do.

 
9. myLot reputation of 87/100. shewolf52002 (622)   ranked 113 out of 6,342 in politics   11 months ago

Because too many people think we should all hold hands with the devil and sing kumbaya and get along, after all these terrorists are people too. We should try to understand and allow them their beliefs, too bad that means letting them wipe Israel off the planet. I for one am sick of political correctness and all the bull.

Go Israel!!


myLot reputation of 59/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 405 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

What's one more holocaust among friends, right?


myLot reputation of 83/100. ClassyCat (684)   ranked 228 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

A man from Israel was interviewed on the news.
He said that "during the so called cease fire"
between Israel and Hamas - Hamas fired 100 rockets."

They don't keep thier word, because they are
determined to utterly destroy Israel.

And too - when you are listening to the news, take
notice as to how much time they spend on showing
what{poor Hamas} is going through, and the people who
are innocent that they have bought this war upon, and
the small snips of news on Israel's losses and sorrows.

Hamas and Hezbola have a mandate from their god and the
Koran to KILL all Israelies and any others who are the
infidels, or non-believers in their god - allah.

I am glad that one day, Hamas, Hezbola and allah - will all
bow their knee and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Won't that just choke them up?

But first, a lot of other things must take place.
One is the great war of the nations that go against
Israel to destroy her. That's when the whole world will
be amazed at what happens.

'Nuff said.'

C. C.

 
10. myLot reputation of 91/100. learn2earn (10510)   ranked 1,430 out of 6,342 in politics   11 months ago

That's a very good point. When the Hamas fighters started firing rockets, the UN, and the other countries didn't care. But when Israel fought back to protect its people from harm, they are criticized. That I think is unfair and unbalanced. It seems that its okay to fire rockets at any country you want to hit. And when they don't fire back, it's no problem even when there are deaths. When a country fights back just like Israel did, people are protesting. Why didn't they protested when hamas fired those deadly rockets?


myLot reputation of 84/100. CarlKnittel (362)   ranked 251 out of 6,342 in politics  11 months ago

Blowing up a civilian family at the dinner table with a rocket in peace time is a protest. Destroying the killers in a declared war is murder. I know it's murder because the terrorists the news wants to interview about this war all say that Israel and the US are murderers for killing the folks lobbing rockets into Jewish living rooms.

 
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