F!#*ing COWARDS. TRAITORS.
By xfahctor
@xfahctor (14113)
Lancaster, New Hampshire
March 4, 2009 2:01pm CST
Despite MASSIVE public support, nearly unprecidented public support and a MASSIVE public ralley outside the state house this morning a floor vote on hcr 6, a resolution asserting states rights under jeffersonian principals, failed 216-150. the normally quiet public gallery, wich was filled over capacity, erupted in outrage and near pandemonium, despite repeated attempts to gavel them silent. Shouts of everything from "your fired" to out right death threats were yelled to the house floor at the represnatives voting against this.
I watched the public committee hearing on this resolution, it was nearly 90 minutes and in that entire time, not ONE person who came from every corner of New Hampshire, spoke against it, it had absolute unanimus support. Yet despite that, 216 cowards voted against it.
All 4 of my state represenatives live with in a few blocks of me and all 4 will be getting a knock on their door tonight and depending on how they voted, will either be acknowleged as a hero, or the ground next to them spat on and be called out as a traitor to this state.
I have never been more ashamed of my state government as Iam this afternoon and will be watching the other states that have this same bill in consideration, I will probably move to the first state that passes it.
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@owlwings (43897)
• Cambridge, England
4 Mar 09
We have no idea what 216 people voted for. We understand that you perhaps side with the 150 who voted against whatever it was.
A discussion on MyLot is really only valid if people understand what you are trying to discuss. 'Ranting' is understandable from those who are upset but, nevertheless, out of place.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Mar 09
thought I put it pretty clearly it was a vote on hcr 6, a resolution asserting states rights under jeffersonian principals.
but if you need more specifics, heres the text of the resolution:
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"09-0274
09/01
HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 6
A RESOLUTION affirming States’ rights based on Jeffersonian principles.
SPONSORS: Rep. Itse, Rock 9; Rep. Ingbretson, Graf 5; Rep. Comerford, Rock 9; Sen. Denley, Dist 3
COMMITTEE: State-Federal Relations and Veterans Affairs
ANALYSIS
This house concurrent resolution affirms States’ rights based on Jeffersonian principles.
09-0274
09/01
STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Nine
A RESOLUTION affirming States’ rights based on Jeffersonian principles.
Whereas the Constitution of the State of New Hampshire, Part 1, Article 7 declares that the people of this State have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent State; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto, which is not, or may not hereafter be, by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled; and
Whereas the Constitution of the State of New Hampshire, Part 2, Article 1 declares that the people inhabiting the territory formerly called the province of New Hampshire, do hereby solemnly and mutually agree with each other, to form themselves into a free, sovereign and independent body-politic, or State, by the name of The State of New Hampshire; and
Whereas the State of New Hampshire when ratifying the Constitution for the United States of America recommended as a change, “First That it be Explicitly declared that all Powers not expressly & particularly Delegated by the aforesaid are reserved to the several States to be, by them Exercised;” and
Whereas the other States that included recommendations, to wit Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island and Virginia, included an identical or similar recommended change; and
Whereas these recommended changes were incorporated as the ninth amendment, the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people, and the tenth amendment, the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people, to the Constitution for the United States of America; now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the House of Representatives, the Senate concurring:
That the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their General Government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a General Government for special purposes, -- delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force; that to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral party, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party: that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress; and
That the Constitution of the United States, having delegated to Congress a power to punish treason, counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States, piracies, and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the law of nations, slavery, and no other crimes whatsoever; and it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that “the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people,” therefore all acts of Congress which assume to create, define, or punish crimes, other than those so enumerated in the Constitution are altogether void, and of no force; and that the power to create, define, and punish such other crimes is reserved, and, of right, appertains solely and exclusively to the respective States, each within its own territory; and
That it is true as a general principle, and is also expressly declared by one of the amendments to the Constitution, that “the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people;” and that no power over the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, or freedom of the press being delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, all lawful powers respecting the same did of right remain, and were reserved to the States or the people: that thus was manifested their determination to retain to themselves the right of judging how far the licentiousness of speech and of the press may be abridged without lessening their useful freedom, and how far those abuses which cannot be separated from their use should be tolerated, rather than the use be destroyed. And thus also they guarded against all abridgment by the United States of the freedom of religious opinions and exercises, and retained to themselves the right of protecting the same. And that in addition to this general principle and express declaration, another and more special provision has been made by one of the amendments to the Constitution, which expressly declares, that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press:” thereby guarding in the same sentence, and under the same words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press: insomuch, that whatever violated either, throws down the sanctuary which covers the others, and that libels, falsehood, and defamation, equally with heresy and false religion, are withheld from the cognizance of federal tribunals. That, therefore, all acts of Congress of the United States which do abridge the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, are not law, but are altogether void, and of no force; and
That the construction applied by the General Government (as is evidenced by sundry of their proceedings) to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,” and “to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof,” goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to their power by the Constitution: that words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers, ought not to be so construed as themselves to give unlimited powers, nor a part to be so taken as to destroy the whole residue of that instrument: that the proceedings of the General Government under color of these articles, will be a fit and necessary subject of revisal and correction; and
That a committee of conference and correspondence be appointed, which shall have as its charge to communicate the preceding resolutions to the Legislatures of the several States; to assure them that this State continues in the same esteem of their friendship and union which it has manifested from that moment at which a common danger first suggested a common union: that it considers union, for specified national purposes, and particularly to those specified in their federal compact, to be friendly to the peace, happiness and prosperity of all the States: that faithful to that compact, according to the plain intent and meaning in which it was understood and acceded to by the several parties, it is sincerely anxious for its preservation: that it does also believe, that to take from the States all the powers of self-government and transfer them to a general and consolidated government, without regard to the special delegations and reservations solemnly agreed to in that compact, is not for the peace, happiness or prosperity of these States; and that therefore this State is determined, as it doubts not its co-States are, to submit to undelegated, and consequently unlimited powers in no man, or body of men on earth: that in cases of an abuse of the delegated powers, the members of the General Government, being chosen by the people, a change by the people would be the constitutional remedy; but, where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy: that every State has a natural right in cases not within the compact, (casus non foederis), to nullify of their own authority all assumptions of power by others within their limits: that without this right, they would be under the dominion, absolute and unlimited, of whosoever might exercise this right of judgment for them: that nevertheless, this State, from motives of regard and respect for its co-States, has wished to communicate with them on the subject: that with them alone it is proper to communicate, they alone being parties to the compact, and solely authorized to judge in the last resort of the powers exercised under it, Congress being not a party, but merely the creature of the compact, and subject as to its assumption
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Mar 09
owlings, this resolution tried to do peacfully, what we tried peacfully at first to do with the government of your country. I fear however, we are going to be pushed to do what we ultimately ended up doing to your government when that peacefull attempt failed.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
4 Mar 09
I heard that the states affirming their rights was going on because Obama and his minions wanted to give the Federal Government more power and take away the power of the States. I guess those cowards were those who were so taken in by his charm and lies, and were afraid of being arrested for not voting for States rights under the Jefferson principle. *I did have this explained to me in a similar discussion.
In a way, this sort of reminds me of those old 1930 -1950 movies about corruption in high places. I hope that this is not a repeat of what went on in the 30s to the 50s with corruption in high places.

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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
4 Mar 09
At least in the Bush administration, we had 9/11 and that was a natural reaction, but I do not like the idea that the States can pass separate laws like DOMA that protects pro life and now with one sweep Obama can take it away. So Federal intervention is useful in case of emergencies, such as threatened terrorist attacks, but they need not just take over the State business.
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Mar 09
There are appropriate areas for federal government here, our constitution outlines them specificly and yes, national defense is one of those areas. But wht is happening is the federal government is far exceeding their authority. We have a very differnt established system in place here, the states are SUPOSED to have that much power to pass individual laws with no intrusion from the feds. this is what we established, a from the bottom up government, a republic of soviergn states that established an entity (the federal goervment) to carry out business of specific common business of the states. In other words, the federal government is not the one in charge and essentially is not the authority in this country, what we have happeing here today was never suposed to happen, we are not suposed to have a ruling general government, it is essentially just an agent that simply does the state's bidding and is governed by the state, it has been slowly turing in to the complete oposite.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Mar 09
Suspesfull, it goes much further back than Obama, states started this movement back in the 90's. gained even more gound under bush because of things like REA id (which is at least now ilegal in my state, yay!)the patriot act and a long train of other issues, I ssue you, this isn't an Obama issue, it's an issue of government as a whole.
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@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Sorry, I was not clear on what they voted for. We have had problems like this in California, and you can bet that when "the govenator" does not vote the way anyone wants him to vote, he gets a lot of people ready to beat him to shreds the next morning. When he decided to cut the UC and CSU budget last year, a lot of college students went to the state capital and demanded he do something or all the colleges in the state would begin to strike.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
4 Mar 09
I see you've put a lenghthy explanation on here and I'll try to plod through it a little later. Right now my mind is kinda mush and I'm going to start dinner.
I actually put a newsppaper account of this bill aside to read this week because I know Pennsylvania is considering it. Maybe you could move here. It's a pretty nice state but it is very, very Blue. (Liberal but not Liberatarian) So maybe you wouldn't like it so much after all.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Mar 09
well we're suposed to be a "blue state" too but it is a myth. We somehow manage to elect democrats to congress, the white house and the governors office, yet things like this bill and many other pretty conservative and libertarian ideals get massive public support. It is really beginning to make me wonder. The whole damn system is rigged.
@shewolf52002 (1214)
• United States
5 Mar 09
It is truly a sad day in this country, however I fear there are only more sad days to come before things change. I pray you are successful at getting this issue on a ballot before the people.
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@dogsnme (1264)
• United States
5 Mar 09
This is truly disturbing. I didn't read the entire thing but I did read enough to get the gist of it. I had hoped that with strength in numbers, the people could take back this country, but according to this development, I'm not so sure. But, just because you lose a few battles doesn't mean the war is lost. I believe there is still hope. At least having some hope is better to the alternative of just giving in. I won't give up hope until this country goes completely down the drain.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
5 Mar 09
It is extremely disturbing. the will of the people was made galaringly clear. the strength was indeed in the numbers, but that strength was blatently ignored. I was absolutely astounded. I wayched a very interesting meeting held by the vetrans afairs and national relations committe, the committee this was passed to, it was a public meeting and people came from all over the state to speak at it a few reps, but mostly people and no one, not one single person who came spoke against it. there was a massive demonstration outside the state house this morning, again, people from all over the state and STILL these treasonous bastarrds voted against it.
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
5 Mar 09
Sigh, I don't know. I started drafting some legislation last year that would ammend our state constitution that would make a number of federal actions with in this state a violation of state law. I guess what needs to happen now is this whole thing needs to be put to a state referendum, let the people themselves vote on it instead. Obviously the public support was more than overwhelming. I feel certain if put in a state wide referendum it would pass resoundingly. My only other hope is that enough of the other states that are working on it, get it passed. I'm just absolutely heart broken that my state, the one that should be a national leader in this charge, showed a complete lack of spine and a complete disreguard for the will of the people.

@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
5 Mar 09
Dang 'em. I don't like that. When the state whose motto is: "live free or DIE" refuses to pass something like this despite their people's almost unanimous enthusiasm for it...that's surely a sign that things suck now in this country more than they ever have.
I hope they reconsider and put it to the vote again...and this time, I hope there's an effort in your area to flood their inboxes, mailboxes, and phonelines on this issue in addition to demonstrating and buzzing through local radio and forums.
This is NEEDED dang it.
If they can't be frightened by how active people are a second time...then yes, I concede that this is possibly the worst sign we could get about our future over the next few years.
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
5 Mar 09
Yeh, we went from live free or die, to being the socialist republic of New Hampshire. I swear I'm just going to build a brick wall on the Massachusits border, 'effing flatlanders, they move here because they like it better than where they move here from, then try to change it to exactly like where they move here from. Is it me? am I the crazy one??
But I guess I can't totaly blame that, I mean, the public support here for this resolution was amazing, it was ignored. AS a state, we have the most representation of the people here than any other state, our house of represenatives has 400 members and we still have a state senate too.
I'm still waiting for the vote list to be posted so I can name the traitors and make their life in my neighborhood a little more miserable for them. I'm pretty sure I know how each of my 4 county reps voted, but I can't harrass them until I know for sure.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
4 Mar 09
From the text of the bill: "III. Requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service of persons under the age of 18 other than pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law."
I can see where this would come in handy during the current administration. Let's hope the bill gets another chance and passes.
Just don't do anything that will get you arrested for assault, X.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Mar 09
no, lol, despite my primal urge to go and kick each of their rses in over this, I'm not that stupid, but make no mistake, they will know exactly how disgusting I think they are and that I consider them traitors to this state and it's people.
@cyberken16 (90)
• Philippines
5 Mar 09
gee, that was really sad, people nowadays are really traitors that's why you should always be careful.









