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myLot reputation of 72/100. II2aTee (845)   ranked 323 out of 6,501 in religion 3 years ago

I am what some people might call “Obviously Irish”. I have the token red hair, light skin, and I had freckles as a kid.

So it surprises people when St. Patricks day rolls around, and I leave my house dressed in black from neck to toe.

“Where is your Irish pride!?!” They ask. “Why aren’t you wearing green!?!”

“I have a very different view of St. Patrick than most Irish people I know.” I respond. And if they question me further, I might tell them why in my mind St. Patricks Day is a day of mourning.


The legend of St. Patrick claims he converted the people of Ireland from Pagan to Christianity. They also say he drove all the serpents out of Ireland. However, it is pretty common knowledge that there WERE no snakes in Ireland at the time Patrick was alive, so historians tend to agree that “serpents” were used to describe the Druids and Pagans.

So there we have it. St. Patrick played a pivotal role is ridding Ireland of Druids, Witches, medicine women, shaman and pagan population. We have him to thank for the sacking of the Pagan communities, the destruction of the ancient temples, and the killing of innocent people solely for the fact they did not follow Christianity.

An obvious victory for the Christian-Irish community, but a sad and tragic loss for those who follow the older earth religions.

Though I do not consider myself a follower of any specific religion, I identify the most with the older, earth mother worshiping religions. So I urge my fellow pagan sympathizers to not buy into the hype of St. Patrick’s day.

A Christian hero, no doubt. But a mass murdering zealot to those who respect the old ways.


So, as Irish as I am, I wear black on "Saint" Patricks day, to mourne the loss uncounted druids and mystics... whos homes, lives, and knowledge were lost forever to the crucible of Christianity.



Have you ever heard this point of view? How do you “celebrate” St. Patricks day?


An interesting article on the subject:
http://www.associatedcont...

 

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1. myLot reputation of 77/100. MYKLJ999_VERSION_2 (2961)   3 years ago

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myLot reputation of 72/100. II2aTee (845)   ranked 323 out of 6,501 in religion  3 years ago

thumbupninjaw00tWOW.

I had no ide that starting this discussion was my 666th post. Thats pretty damn freaky!!

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2. myLot reputation of 87/100. Galena (6231)   ranked 68 out of 6,501 in religion   3 years ago

while this is true as the mythology surrounding this particular Saint (much as with George slaying the "dragon" ridding the UK of Paganism, hehe, pretty inneficient job he did there, meaning I don't celebrate it)

the fact is, the historical mass persecution of Pagans never really happened in the way it's portrayed.

those tried as Witches, were most likely not Witches. less still were they Pagans.

they would have been Christian, as were their communities at the time, and most likely would turn in their graves at being claimed now as some Pagan martyr.


myLot reputation of 72/100. II2aTee (845)   ranked 323 out of 6,501 in religion  3 years ago

Indeed! Much like the Salem Witch hunts. We know now, that most likely NONE of the women who were killed actually practiced witchcraft.


An interesting theory though... I was reading over the article I posted and it said that some Pagans will celebrate St. Patricks day out of spite.

It is the day of his death, after all!

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3. myLot reputation of 64/100. darkjedi (4347)   3 years ago

Whats up Tee, how are you doing?

Ive never even thought about this before, never liked the color green that much anyway lol. Hell I wear black all year long anyway. Ive never really studied anything about st patricks day at all. Hmmm makes sense though. Not a great day for us but is for christians. Wow interesting article, I never knew any of that. Hmm so patrick was a slave for awhile huh, that would explain some of the hate I guess. Well I dont really celebrate anyway and wont be now.


myLot reputation of 72/100. II2aTee (845)   ranked 323 out of 6,501 in religion  3 years ago

My mother actually told me all this when I was in grade school. She is a big fan of telling BOTH sides of a story.

Like Columbus Day. In school we are taught that Columbus was a hero. But keep in mind, my mother married a Native American man. So from a Native American point of view, Columbus was was like the pebble that started the avalanche that crushed their homeland.

Needless to say, Columbus Day is right under St. Patricks day on her list of hated holidays lol!!

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4. myLot reputation of 80/100. atacamaval (3014)   3 years ago

Hi IIaTee!

Every time I come across something written by you, it brightens my day and gives my something new to check and think about. For an old 63 year old witch this is clearly something to thank.
In my part of the world there is a slow acceptance of old ways again. Not like they were before but there is an understanding that there are lots of wise things to learn from the non Christian or native communities.
Let us hope that the morrow will be more openminded and respectful of other people´s ways that it has been up to now.
Take care redheadedrasp


myLot reputation of 72/100. II2aTee (845)   ranked 323 out of 6,501 in religion  3 years ago

Atacamaval, you humble me with your kind words :) And likewise you also brighten my day with your responses!

It is always interesting to look at an issue from more than one angle. History may paint someone as a hero, but someone who is a hero to one man, can often be the bane of another mans existance.

Now tell me my friend... is that you in your icon picture? If it is, you look GREAT for a 63 year old witch!!


myLot reputation of 80/100. atacamaval (3014)  3 years ago

Thanks a lot. And yes to both things. Everything has more than one way of looking at it. And yes to the second: that´s a picture of the witchw00t Thanks for the compliment.blush

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5. myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (8270)   ranked 30 out of 6,501 in religion   3 years ago

Hi Tee, That is very interesting and something I'd hadn't heard before. It is a very interesting point of view and makes a lot of sense. I am not Irish but I believe that my ancestors came from England,(hope you won't hold that against me lol). There are a lot of legends about St. Patrick and I'm not sure how much is really known about him. Thanks for the discussion. Blessings.


myLot reputation of 72/100. II2aTee (845)   ranked 323 out of 6,501 in religion  3 years ago

Oh Pose... how could I hold your English ancestory against you? Your a Canadian, but I dont let that taint my respect for you!

(I sincerly hope you take that as the joke intended lol!)

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6. myLot reputation of 95/100. renemouche (705)   ranked 1,584 out of 6,501 in religion   3 years ago

I have heard this point of view before. My last semester of College I took a course called the sociology of religion. We studied all types of religions, beliefs systems etc.. When we got to the earth/old based religions(that is what the proffessor called them) this was talked about along with all the other "hoildays" that we christians have that came from pagan hoildays or rituals. It was quite an interesting class. I learned alot.

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7. myLot reputation of 3/100. siamus (190)   3 years ago

I never knew this. Thanks for sharing.

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8. myLot reputation of 68/100. Adoniah (4166)   ranked 574 out of 6,501 in religion   3 years ago

I Applaud your wearing of the Black on St Patty's Day Tee. I truely do join you in the loss of the Druids and all the customs that went with them. I don't Believe that the Isle of Ireland ever had snakes, the very well may have been the tale of the killing of the pagans and the Druids.

Years ago, I also remember reading about some sort of secret about the actual canonization of "St Patrick". There always was some question about the authenticity of his "sainthood". But that Ireland hung onto the idea of his "sainthood", because he was their only saint and they were such a catholic country etc.

Shalom~Adoniah

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9. myLot reputation of 35/100. urbandekay (6797)   ranked 1,421 out of 6,501 in religion   3 years ago

Ireland, having split from mainland Europe early had no snakes because they were unable to cross the water to get there. Attributing this to St Pat is no more than looking for an explanation without the benefit of an understanding of the earth sciences.

It also behoves us to remember that St Pat was captured by Irish raiders from mainland Britain and started life as a slave.

Patrick's mission in Ireland was to minister to the Christian community already established there and not to evangelise to non-Christians, but this lack of regard for the facts is typical of those that seek only to discredit that which they hate.

all the best urban


myLot reputation of 72/100. II2aTee (845)   ranked 323 out of 6,501 in religion  3 years ago

I havent disregarded these facts (everything you said was explained in the link I provided), merely presented the point of view of what St. Patricks mission(or any mission for that matter) might have look like to the people who were converted.

Granted St. Patrick wasnt the first Christian to set foot in Ireland and convert the Pagans. But he IS the one who gets the most credit. Im sure you of all people know the difference between history, and history book history. History book history is written by the winners. But in order for there to be a victor, there must be a vanquished. I merely point out the point of view of the later.

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10. myLot reputation of 96/100. jwfarrimond (3266)   3 years ago

As an Englishman and a Pagan I don't pay any attention to St Patrick's day or any other Catholic saints days for that matter, including St George. I fully sympathise with your point of view here regarding the intolerant destruction of the "native" beliefs. It's nothing more than cultural genocide. In any case, Patrick was not even Irish, according to his story, he was taken as a slave in an Irish raid on his home, which was somewhere in the region of Carlisle. There was a surviving enclave of Romano - British Christians there, which has been confirmed by archaeological work in the region.

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