Octuplets Mum FIRES the free nurses provided to her????  

It's SIX other children mimpi! This woman has 14 in total now! It's unbelievable. There are so many questions surrounding not just her ability to raise these kids appropriately, but also surrounding how she was able to have 8 kids through artificial insemination in the first place! I wish all these children the best possible life also; and I'm seriously starting to question this woman's ability to be the one to provide this for them. Thanks for your comments.

That's another valid point! Why was she allowed to do that in the first place! Why didn’t they speculate the cons and cons then! I think we are basically ‘do-before-think’ kind and never leave a chance to be critical with harsh censures.
What ever it may be, the innocents are put into risk. That’s the saddest part.

Yes, it does seem to be the ones that are in the weakest position to speak for themselves that suffer in situations like this. From what I understand, the Doctor that performed the insemination did come under scrutiny for fertilizing so many eggs at one go, but I'm not sure what came of it? I need to try and get up to speed on that aspect. From other articles I HAVE read, fertilizing as many eggs as he did is definitely not a common practice.

I wouldn't be surprised if Suleman was made the guinea pig here. The doctor convinced her weakness to accomplish his goals! This is getting interesting and more guresome!

I'm not sure at all what his intentions were, but I definitely do need to look for some more references to this. What I do find interesting overall, is that means testing obviously didn't come into it at any stage. Given that she lived in a small house with her parents and already had 6 kids, would this not mean that any Doctor would refuse to impregnate her due to questions surrounding her ability to support more children? So many angles!

That's in a way very strange! Don't they have a screening board who look after all these?

That's what I would have thought, but it appears not! The procedure itself is also very expensive, but maybe health benefits covered it? This is something that I'm not sure of yet either. The bottom line though, is that intelligent reasoning would show that this woman was in no position to care for another 8 children on top of the 6 she already had. How it all came to be is very intriguing and on many levels, ridiculously flawed also.

Oh wow so Ok i read a large portion of this conversation. First off while it was certainly a bad idea to use 8 embryos, there is no screening process as to your fitness as a parent when doing fertility treatments and there shouldn't be. it's bad enough people have to jump through hopes to adopt and fork out tons of money to give an unwanted child a home. I understand having some rules and guidelines but anyways i digress. For the government to force people to undergo monetary and background checks just to be able to have children when they can't do so on their own is just wrong. We don't make 14 year olds who can't support a child have an abortion, nor should we, so why should we make the process of fertility treatments when they are already so difficult even more so? In the case of Octomom the Dr. screwed up big time and most Dr's have higher morals and wouldn't ever do such a thing, why screw over the many women who want to have kids and can't based on one dumb doctor and one dumb women?!
Also as any women who has needed fertility treatments will tell you most insurance companies don't cover it.

Thanks for the inputs. Personally I do fel there should be at least base background checks for an individual prior to a Doctor agreeing to artificially inseminate. This "Octomum" provides a classic example of why too. She's under 30, not working, has 6 kids already and still lived at home! Her single Mother status is irrelevant, it's more her socioeconomic standing and mental stability. Yes, the Doctor who ended up fertilizing 8 eggs has a lot to answer for, but why the heck was she even allowed to go through with the procedure in the first place??? She is so far from a deserving candidate it's not funny.

I understand the argument about background checks but I do think there needs to be some restrictions and guidelines when it comes to in vitro - including things like income, living situation, number of children etc. It's one thing for a single woman to have several children naturally and live on or below the poverty line but it is not someone's 'right' to artificially create lives and bring them into that situation - especially when the means to create these lives cost thousands of dollars. I think the real issue with this 'octomom' debacle is an ethical one in respect to the doctor who preformed the procedure and that is something that really needs to be addressed. I somehow suspect he is going to get a 'cut' of the octo-millions.

I agree with you on this one jess. I'm not suggesting that there should be checks to the point of making wannabe Mother's jump through hoops, but at least basic means testing should be undertaken to ensure that the person is in a position to adequately handle the repsonsibilities. It seems that because the procedure is so expensive in the first place, people assume that if the patient can afford to get it done, then they can afford to raise a child also. But as "Octo-Mum's" cicumstances show, this type of reasoning in not enough. (If it IS the case of course!) And I hope to God that the Doctor concerned isn't gaining financial benefit from this. If anything, he should have his medical licence revoked.

I just wanted to add to this conversation about the doctor who willing implanted that many embryos at once. According to Dr. Jamie Grifo (featured on Oprah.com), the American Society of Reproductive Medicine's guidelines are clear.

* For a fresh embryo transfer in women under 35, no more than two embryos should be transferred.
* Age 35 to 37, no more than three embryos.
* Up to age 40, no more than four embryos.
* Over age 40, no more than five embryos.

So she's, what, early 30s? (33, I believe?) so she shouldn't had more than two embryos!

I hope that doctor loses his license, if not more...

I hope he loses his licence also because his actions were totally irresponsible. To my understanding, the maximum number of eggs allowed to be implanted in my home country of Australia is 3, but I'm not 100% sure on this. It's interesting to hear she's 33 too as I thought she was under 30. Thanks for sharing these references goodnightmoon.

Oh, but she "loves kids"! I must admit that I haven't been following her story avidly and have just picked up on the occasional news story here and there; but the more I look into things, the more horrified I become. This woman is not quite right in her attitude or way of explaining things and as much as it's not the desire of anyone to remove children from their Parent or Parents, I'm seriously thinking that this may be the best option in her case. It has now gotten to the point where she's not only created a situation that's practically unsustainable given her personal circumstances and socio-economic status, she's now rejecting assistance because people dare to question her abilities and environment??? It's all very sad and there are 14 children's lives to consider here. Thanks for the response Alok.

What is it that upsets you about this situation so much?

Is she cruel to her children? Are they beaten? Are the left unattended for hours at a time? Or Starved even? Does she neglect them in any way?

What is it that she 'doesnt do right' as a Mother? She doesnt have the same thought process as you? Well, most people think a little differently than others and we all get on fine enough.

What seems to be the problem here is that this woman and her way of thinking is coming into question simply because she has been thrust into the public eye. There are thousands of women just like her who bring up children perfectly well. Ok, they might not have the best clothes or go on fancy holidays but they are brought up well enough.

She may have contravertial ideas about certain things.....but thats noone elses business other than her own and so long as her children are not being harmed in any way, I cant see what there is to be so upset about.

Part of the harm here is that she isn't able to financially or physically care for 8 more children. She was well aware of that fact before she got pregnant. Her doctor should have known she was on public assistance before he agreed to go ahead with the procedure. Everyone has hard times. When you already have 6 children and you are getting public assistance, why not have a few more, someone will pay for it. Love goes a long way to raise and nurture children. I realize they were wanted and loved, but what is the motivation here? Why should we as tax payers have to pay to raise her children. It isn't the government paying for all their needs, it is us. The people who work for a living and sometimes struggle to pay their own bills. If most people waited to have children until they could afford them ...they might not have children. Having 8 children when you can't afford the 6 you already have is irresponsible. Maybe the Doctor should have to shoulder the financial responsibility of those 8 children. Maybe she did it for all of the free things she thought she was due. There are a lot of unanswered questions. I know it is unethical but maybe those children should be given to childless couples that would love and nurture them and are able to afford their care without government assistance. Sorry to go on and on. This is a sore subject for many people who work for a living and dont get everything for free.

littletinker..... gotogogirl has summed things up very well here and so have many others with their responses. No, it ISN'T any of our business in the overall scheme of things, but this woman has been thrust into the limelight because she MADE it this way. She is exploiting her circumstances for financial gain and making irrational decisions when it comes to the true welfare of her babies. Many, many references have been made throughout this discussion that attest to her disgusting ways. From plastic surgery procedures while on food stamps, to one reporter stating that the ONLY time Nadya would pick up any of her children was when the cameras were on her! If it wasn't for her poor downtrodden Parents, Nadya's kids would have been removed from her a long time ago. ALL of these things upset me because there are people in this world that are deserving and perfectly rational, but go without a majority of the things Nadya has been handed. She is not worthy of having these beuatiful children. Thank you both for your comments.

You'd think she'd welcome assistance like this with open arms, yes! But it seems that things became heated between her and the Nurses provided because they were questioning a lot of her approaches etc. Is this not their role to offer not just assistance but advice if they feel something is not quite right? Are they not also obliged to report anything untoward to the relevant authorities? This woman being so defensive like this is not a good sign at all. You are right in saying that the safety and well being of the children is first and foremost, so this woman needs to take a step back and humble herself because she obviously has a LOT to learn. 14 kids is a massive responsibility and if she WAS 100% responsible, then she never would have had this many in the first instance, given her current circumstances! Thanks for the comments HiLia.

Hi James, HiLia. I've been reading all the comments about this lady and the situation she has created for herself. Far be it for me to judge anyone, i just think that fine all has been done and the 8 precious babies have been born, she could handle the situation with a little more subtlety. I can only imagine what this woman is going through looking after 14 children and being scrutinised about everything she does by the media. It tends to raise the tension levels. I agree with you about her firing the free nursing aid that was supplied. she could have made it clear that what happens in her life is private and that they are not to disclose any information to anyone from inside her house. Unless it is really abuse and neglect. that would be a different story all together. Personally, i would never be able to handle 14 children even with a partner. for now, i really do hope and pray that she starts looking at the broader picture and become a bit wiser. giving 14 children your undivided attention is difficult and the nurses could've helped her with that.

Hi flaubscher. I am not generally a judegmental person either, but things have gone way too far with this woman in my opinion. What matters the most are these 8 new babies and the other 6 children and this woman is just not acting like a rational human being at all. Her historical behaviour and current actions show her to be selfish and materialistic and this is not in the best interests of those kids. Unless she completely turns herself around, she doesn't deserve to have them. It's a sad thing to be saying, but their future is what's important here. Thanks for your comments.

Her attitude towards this free help speaks volumes if you ask me. I'm sure she's quite willing to take money or material hand-outs, but as soon as the assistance provided is non-material and makes her accountable, then she doesn't want a bar of it. Her own Mother sure must be one patient woman!

Maybe Butchie's in love with the stove by the way? Dress the stove up in some weird crap and see ig Butchie goes at it! Thanks for the comments Tracy and it's good to see ya.

Good to hear from you as well, my friend! But, I will have you know that I haven't dressed Butch up in any "crap" for quite a while. Shocking news, but I have been pretty damn sick for quite a while! Question...Therasaaiza told me to try Goji juice...what do you think? It is expensive but I am about willing to try anything! What say you?

Goji juice can be of great benefit if you're able to get a reputed supply of it. It's best to be getting yourself off all the other crap you take in parallel though. Goji is rich in antioxidants for one; and to be paying all that money to drink it while still feeding artificial meds into your system kinda defeats the purpose. Prepare yourself for the taste too! I think it's great that you're considering alternatives. Just don't do anything in halves OK. All or nothing!

Hi, i told ya that I was ready to try just about anything...Problem is..most of my meds are addictive and it may take me a while to get off of them, not to mention all of the withdrawals. I can take the taste..as long as it doesn't taste like fish or onions...lol...Wish me luck, I am so tired of feeling like this! Thanks for trying to help me...AGAIN!

Oh, BTW..ya wanna purchase a little black & white dog before he drives me batty?

"Luck" is only wished for by those that are uncertain of their own outcomes Tracy, so how about I wish you success with taking this situation by the horns once and for all instead? The fact of the matter is that ONE day you will have to get off these stupid tablets, so this day may as well come now so you can look back on it sooner rather than later. You can come up with every reason under the sun to NOT do it, but this is just BS when you really think about it and I know I don't need to be telling you that. And I can assure you that the juice won't taste like any of the things you mentioned! lol. It's certainly unique though. You hold on to Butchie for now too, so you can join him in staring at the stove to help you forget about those stupid tablets.

I'd have to agree with you. She had 6 kids already, lives at home with herparents in a very small house and is now looking after a further 4 babies with another 4 still to come home from the hospital??? She has no job, no life partner and is now firing people that have been placed there to help her, just because they ask too many questions and she feels they are spying on her??? I have seen her interviewed a couple of times and there's no question that she loves her kids, but she's just not all there. Thanks for the comments Bo.

I have no issues with large families either, but common sense prevails! As you've stated yourself, even ONE child was unsettling at first and you have a husband and a home that is comfortable for the 3 of you! Imagine 14 kids, no husband and a tiny home! It does seem very suspicious that she's turning away non-financial help like this, yet from other sources it seems she's quite happily accept money, clothing and possibly even a new home?? Says a lot about her state of mind and twisted goals if you ask me. Thanks for the response Irish.

Yip...key word being "family" which, to me, consists of 2 "parental units" and then the kids. LOL! It's hard enough with 2 parents...much less a single one. See..yea...just something's not quite right...........

Yes, the ideal scenario is two loving parents! But I by no means feel that a single parenting approach is ineffective. Her case though is in a class all it's own! She's so young too. The scary part of all of this is that she's more than likely to have even MORE children in the future. You watch.....

No not "ineffective" but harder, ask anyone who's had to raise a child alone, much less 14. LOL!

My own Mother can attest to this as she raised my Sister into adulthood pretty much alone. My Father too with me I guess if he had of actually taken the role seriously! I take my hat off to all single parents that manage to make it work.

I'm sure your sentiments would be echoed throughout the world by many. 14 children and a role model like this one? What hope do they have? Thanks for your opinion mykl.

She's definitely coming across as someone with a few screws loose, no argument there! It was this last instance of her firing these volunteer Nurses that made me lean towards the same opinion as you. The children deserve a far more positive role model and environment. Thanks for the comments Dana.

I knew she was insane the second I found out she asked to be implanted with 6 embryos despite already having six kids on food stamps and no income AND a house in foreclosure. There is simply no way to excuse that level of irresponsibility. It angers me to think how much those kids suffer because she is criminally selfish.

She's going to end up losing those kids; those people she fired were her one and only shot at keeping her family together and she's too stupid to see it. And so she deserves to lose her kids.

The Doctor who completed the procedure has a lot to answer for also. I find it amazing also that this women did not appear to have any background checks or means testing conducted on her at all. I'm not suggesting that a woman wishing to become pregnant this way should be scrutinized mercilessly, but surely base checks would be a prerequisite? Obviously not, otherwise they would have workd out that she's an unemployed Mother of 6 children, living with her Parents and under 30! Sound like a good candidate to you? I hope these kids end up with wonderful families and have the chance to always know of each other's existence.

i mean IF i wanted to have children i'd love to do it this way.

Really? Personally I find this woman and her acts to be irresponsible, nonsensical and grossly selfish. She now has 14 children that are far better off away from her! They are likely to be separated too. She has also now become completely reliant on hand-outs just to handle them as it is. She's still got 4 more babies to come home too. Why would anyone have this many children at once when they can't even support them? I appreciate you taking the time to respond iridium, but for the life of me I can't understand why someone would wish to do things this way???

i don't get why anyone ever wants to have children. but if you have to have them you might as well have them in as a few pregnancies as possible and make their cost back in milking the publicity. besides i like the idea of being a medical marvel. would be better if they were conjoined, i find abnormal fetal anatomy fascinating, but still you can't have everything.

Alrighty then! I wish you every success with your future goals of having conjoined octuplets then iridium. It may be wise to see an agent now though, to really maximize that future earning potential.

it's not a future goal at all. i hate babies. But most people make money using their brain. some do it using their muscles. Gotta admire someone that manages to use the least useful part of their body to make dosh.

I agree with you that it's only a matter of time now before those kids are taken from her. She's obviously far from grounded in any sense, shape or form and as much as I hate seeing children separated like this, it may be the only chance they have of a well rounded life. Surely a person can learn to be tolerant with people if it means that their presence will better their and their children's lives? This woman is selfish. If what you are saying about the hospital's release refusals is true, then I couldn't agree with them more. Thanks for the reposne renemouche.

On the Dr. Phil show Nadia stated that the hospital sent her paperwork stating that because of the babies condition they would not release them until she had proper housing and care. I read Friday (I think it was Friday) that one of the babies has been released since she does have a new home, but since she has just fired this help who knows when or if they will release the rest of them(they did say that not all of them are ready to go home)

She also stated on the show that the reason why she did not want to take the help in the first place is because she didn't want people in her private life and telling her how to raise and take care of her children. I think the group is called Angels in waiting, said that they would only be there to help give her the correct care for the babies premi babies require different things than full term babies. Nadia seems to be unaware or just doesnt care that these children(all of them) need real help.

My sister was a born premature she had to stay in the hospital for 3 months . My grandma and aunt had to stay with us to help my mom and dad out and that is just with ONE premi baby.

Thanks for the further updates on this rene. She certainly does seem to be oblivious then to what she's actually in for! All the more reason for her to have as much help around her as possible. If she can't face the realities of this need, she's going to lose ALL of her children you'd think; and as much as I silike saying it, so she should. Her attitude and complete lack of common sense here is a testament to how messed up this whole situation is. How the heck did she end up being able to have 8 eggs fertilized in the first place??? There are so many people to blame here it's not funny. And who suffers most? The kids. It's so disheartening. I admire the hospital for the stance they're taking too.

I watched the Dr Phil show too on this. I bet he is REALLY not happy that he helped to get her this help. I wonder now what will be done with the money Dr Phil has been collecting to help with their care also. I think it was to be given to the Angels in Waiting. How can she not be greatful for their offers to help in caring for them. How does she physically think she is going to do it???
I can't figure her out at ALL!!!! I love kids too but not enough to raise 14 ,money or no money!! I just don't think she is mentally stable at all either. Has anyone mentioned testing her for that??
I hate to see the children suffer! To me "loving kids" involves the best you can do to care for them and if you cant take care of the first ones, why would you want more?? It makes you wonder how much she will make off the publicity of them.
Could this be the motive? I dont know or would not say. I dont know the woman personally, and it is not my place to judge her. For the kids though, it is really a sad thing!

I really need to try and find excerpts of these Dr Phil episodes! I find it to be pretty clear that she's looking to milk this situation as best she can and her history of plastic surgery and other self-serving acts attest to this. It's the kids that matter and her rejecting non-financial aid with these Nurses speaks volumes if you ask me. You can't spend Nurses on yourself! I agree that she needs to be pyschologically tested too and I'm not sure if she has been or not yet. Thanks for the inputs busyB4.