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myLot reputation of 64/100. freethinkingagent (1003)   ranked 338 out of 9,680 in religion7 months ago

Let me pose a question to you. Right now everybody thinks they have a firm grasp on what reality is. But let me ask a couple of questions. What if next week on or about the 25th of May 2009, a news announcement happened, and top scientist of the world announced they have build a time machine. Or that they have found proof of how life on this planet began. Would this effect your faith? Now what if they announced full disclosure that we are not alone in the universe, gave full disclosure of ET's, would this effect your faith? why or why not.

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 97/100. Aurone (2551)   ranked 181 out of 9,680 in religion   7 months ago

Don't think it would bother my faith. I am not a Christian, but its hard for me to believe something with the power to create life as we know it would only do it once. Seems kind of vain to me. And as for how life begin, well who is to say that some deity didn't create it whatever way it is found to have started? I am lucky in that my faith and my education can live in separate parts of my brain and not bother each other. I always think science has found what it has found because the Goddess planned the rules to be that way. I have never thought faith and science to be mutually exclusive. I know exactly 1 atheist, and I have a biology Masters degree and every biologist I have ever met had some sort of faith, whether it was agnostic, Catholic, Mormon, Hindu, you name it I know one of that faith, and I am the token pagan. We have beliefin our faith and in our science too--in fact I pray every night and observe the holidays for my faith and I teach evolution in my classes. And some would find it hard to believe that those things could coincide together, but in me they do.


myLot reputation of 64/100. freethinkingagent (1003)   ranked 338 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

Thank you for responding. You seem very open minded. I believe very soon, days maybe peoples idea of what the universe is will be shattered. We shall see.

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2. myLot reputation of 98/100. bodhisatya (525)   ranked 1,883 out of 9,680 in religion   7 months ago

Faith means complete surrender, if there exists even a shadow of doubt then the faith ain't faith. Whatever religion a man believes in i think every religion preaches its followers to have complete faith and trust on the lord. There is no truth greater than the existence of the lord himself.


myLot reputation of 64/100. freethinkingagent (1003)   ranked 338 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

I guess we will have to wait and see


myLot reputation of 89/100. revellanotvanella (1946)   ranked 7,264 out of 9,680 in religion  6 months ago

So many encourage us to trust in the Lord but many do not mind telling us what to believe and never question, sounds like they want us to be blind sheep if you ask me

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3. myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (6963)   ranked 36 out of 9,680 in religion   7 months ago

It would shake the foundations of many religious doctrines, but even with life on other planets etc, it all had to have been created from or by something! God is omnipotent so why would God be limited to our own world anyway? I don't personally follow a specific religious path or organized faith, so an announcement such as this would not affect my faith at all. If anything, it would strengthen it!


myLot reputation of 64/100. freethinkingagent (1003)   ranked 338 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

It is good you are not so tied down to dogma. Last year even the Vatican announced that the possibility of extraterrestrials would not mean the end of catholicism. Soon we shall find out how strong some peoples faith is.

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4. myLot reputation of 86/100. owlwings (5147)   ranked 806 out of 9,680 in religion   7 months ago

It certainly wouldn't affect my faith. My cognisance of 'God' includes the possibility that there are other intelligent beings in the universe, for one thing, and it also allows for a 'scientific' explanation for the creation of life.

Your mention of 'time travel' is interesting. Most of us have no real concept of time. We see it as a linear thing in which there is a past, present and future and outside of which it is not (at present) possible to be physically. Our reality is always and essentially a 'now'. I am almost certain that the way that 'God' perceives it is entirely different. Position on a line has no particular relevance or meaning to that kind of mind, so 'time travel' is both elementary and supremely unimportant just as, in certain circumstances, it is irrelevant to us whether we are lying, sitting or standing.

Why would any scientific advance or new discovery have any effect on my conviction that there is an intelligent and ordered pattern to this universe; that randomness exists, but that it is filtered and augmented by a supreme consciousness. There is nothing basically wrong with the Creation myths that are given in Genesis: it is merely our modern habit of forgetting the true nature of myth that is at fault.


myLot reputation of 64/100. freethinkingagent (1003)   ranked 338 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

Most people equate myth with fairy tale. Myths are a way of conveying truth in a way that hides the inner meaning of the story from the mundane.


myLot reputation of 86/100. owlwings (5147)   ranked 806 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

Myths (and 'fairy tales' and all the best children's stories) are the treasure chests that hold the deepest truths in such a way that the casual observer overlooks what's really there, even if the lock appears to be broken.

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5. soulsearchin (84)   ranked 1,726 out of 9,680 in religion   7 months ago

Hi, I am the kind of person who believes what I was taught as a child that God created the universe (Heaven and Earth too) which would include any ET's on other planets as well. That being said I also believe in the possibility of evelution (sp)and scientific explanations. Beliefs are an important part of life in my opinion it gives us something to hope for when our time comes to leave this life. Everyone believes in something whether it be religion or science or both, there is no right or wrong choice as far as I am concerned as long as people respect each others right to thier beliefs most people can live a peaceful co exsistance.
Where do you believe we go (if anywhere) when we die?


myLot reputation of 64/100. freethinkingagent (1003)   ranked 338 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

Yes, but holding such dogmatic views can backfire. I do hope you will remain strong in your faith.

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6. myLot reputation of 70/100. fizanali (306)   ranked 2,847 out of 9,680 in religion   7 months ago

It won't affect my faith as a Muslim because my faith tells me the universe is full of infinite knowledge and infinite possibilities and even there is a story told in the Quran where a group of people actually time travel few hundred years into the future.


myLot reputation of 64/100. freethinkingagent (1003)   ranked 338 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

Really! tell me more i have never heard this before, about time travel is it in the Koran?


myLot reputation of 70/100. fizanali (306)   ranked 2,847 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

Yes out of the 114 Surahs of the Quran one Surah (Surah no. 18 Kahf: The Cave) tells about this incidence when a group of believing young people with their dog run away from their city and hide in a cave where they seek Allah's help. Then after some time when according to them some hours had passed they actually travel few years into the future so that when they go back again the city has completely changed.

There are also other incidences of time travel in Islamic teachings like when the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) went on Mirage (Journey to the heavens) he spent almost 18 years there and when he comes back to Earth only few seconds or minutes had passed.

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7. myLot reputation of 98/100. cbeee3 (843)   ranked 7,113 out of 9,680 in religion   7 months ago

It would not affect my faith one bit.I am a spiritual person.I respect all the people who follow various religions,but on a personal level I don't follow a religion. For me all realms of possibility exist. What we know today can change tomorrow. It takes a lot to prove a theory,but to prove that it is wrong just one instance is enough.So I believe that things and our entire belief system should be flexible enough to accept new truths that are unravelled.


myLot reputation of 39/100. kdmlrys (257)   ranked 1,114 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

I love your response.


myLot reputation of 64/100. freethinkingagent (1003)   ranked 338 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

You are in a good position then, I would only say don't believe anything you might see or hear in the near future.


myLot reputation of 98/100. cbeee3 (843)   ranked 7,113 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

Your comment to me is interesting. It has got me thinking about what your belief system is.I think I will be checking out your discussions,very soon.I am sure they will be highly fascinating.:)


myLot reputation of 86/100. owlwings (5147)   ranked 806 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

"It takes a lot to prove a theory,but to prove that it is wrong just one instance is enough. "

Very well said!


myLot reputation of 98/100. cbeee3 (843)   ranked 7,113 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

Thank you:)..You are too kind:)

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8. myLot reputation of 39/100. kdmlrys (257)   ranked 1,114 out of 9,680 in religion   7 months ago

There are a lot of "what if's" in this world and I think that's one of the reasons why we keep on searching that very state where we can say that "Yes, I believe in this, I believe on that, anything is possible! Who cares, that's just life! I'll stick where I'm comfortable with!"

If ever there will be a real-life time machine in the future (I really hope so), I hope I'm still alive so I can experience this back to the past journey.

Probably the first place I would like to go is the Garden of Eden, but if the time machine won't function, then it's possible that the Garden of Eden didn't exist in the first place. From there, I would turn to the scientific theory of Big Bang. If I saw and heard the actual explosion and the evolving of gases to planets, moons, and stars, up to the evolving of one particular cell to different species of animals and even human beings, then there's a great chance that my faith and even my outlook in life would change from that point.

And by the way, if ever scientists will prove the existence of extra terrestrials, I don't think it will shake my faith. On the other hand, I think it would be interesting to see some weird looking aliens.


myLot reputation of 98/100. cbeee3 (843)   ranked 7,113 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

Same goes for me. I love your response!!:)


myLot reputation of 64/100. freethinkingagent (1003)   ranked 338 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

We do need to keep an open mind, how ever we do not need to believe everything that seems to be real.


myLot reputation of 86/100. owlwings (5147)   ranked 806 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

Taking anything we experience at face value, freethinking, whether it is something that appears to be fantasy or reality that seems to be tangible, is one of the most risky things that we undertake.


myLot reputation of 64/100. freethinkingagent (1003)   ranked 338 out of 9,680 in religion  7 months ago

Owlwings, the minds of the masses are easily manipulated, it is easy enough to provide them "proof" of something and make them believe. However, some of require more than "Proof" to shape our thoughts. For we know that one side can give us many different "sides" to cause us to believe there is a choice when there is none, for all choices that can be made are still the choice of choosing their side of what they want us to believe. I have a quarter. I can tell you It is a picture of a president, while someone else says it is a picture of an eagle, now you can chose the president or the eagle but in the end you still only get the quarter. Republicans, Democrats, two sides of the same coin making us beleive we have a choice, while all along the media is shaping our choices for us, demonizing some and praising others too get us down to two choices, and we beleive we have chosen these two, LOL the American People can no more elect the president any more than they can control the cosmos.

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9. myLot reputation of 85/100. newdawn8 (556)   ranked 3,960 out of 9,680 in religion   7 months ago

I won't shake the faith that I firmly believe in including how life on this earth or universe as a whole began.

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10. myLot reputation of 53/100. tulipstrader (891)   ranked 3,667 out of 9,680 in religion   7 months ago

i have faith in myself that i am open to knowing new discoveries and finding and accept all that makes sense after verification and satisfying myself. i accept that there are phenomenas that are beyond my understanding and i do not consider those as god's miracles. everything that happens in this universe is not a miracle, its just that our understanding has not reached a level where we could see it clearly.

any new finding should be welcomed. if it is contrary to the faith in which i was born, it makes no difference to me. because my faith teaches me not to take anything on face value. it ask me to find the reality of everything, satisfy oneself before accepting it or rejecting it.

this cosmos is filled with billions of possibilities. life exist in other parts of cosmos too. there is no doubt about it. it looks like we the inhabitants of this earth as limited by technology and knowledge that we find it difficult to accept there are other far advanced than us else where. disclosure of this will affect all those faiths who believed that we are of recent origin and someone created us to worship him.

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