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Why are people still whining about the birth certificate thing? email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 42/100. lisan23 (257)   ranked 911 out of 6,357 in politics7 months ago

First, I've called Honolulu's Department of Health office asking them if a certificate of live birth IS their birth certificate, they answered yes it is. And before you question me on this, I was born in Idaho and my birth certificate (issued from the state health department that I've used to get drivers licenses in 2 different states) is a certificate of live birth. So that's 2 states that issue certificate of live birth instead of birth certificates, and these certificates of live birth DO work to get drivers licenses.

Second, the other argument that I've heard is that his father wasn't a US citizen so therefore he cannot be natural born. This argument would take natural born status away from millions of Americans that were born in the US. It's ludicrous.

You'd also have to believe that Obama somehow knew that he'd be running for president and sent telepathic vibes to his family after he was first born to run the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper listing their address in Hawaii.

Seriously, you have to be a hardcore conspiracy theorist to still buy into this load of crap.

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 91/100. General_Spacey (1194)   ranked 109 out of 6,357 in politics   7 months ago

His mother is an American citizen. That makes him an American citizen.
Even with "dual citizenship," that qualifies him to run for president.
His father's nationality does not matter.
His mother is an American and that settles it!
If these idiots want to argue with the government, then they would also be stuppid enough to argue with God.


myLot reputation of 94/100. mariposaman (2507)   ranked 1,216 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

I believe the difference is that you have to be born on American soil, not born an American. For example if a couple vacations in Canada and she has has a baby, the baby is American by birth due to the American parents and Canadian by birth because Canada allows persons born on Canadian soil to be Canadian. However due to the wording, they are not born on American soil.


myLot reputation of 91/100. General_Spacey (1194)   ranked 109 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

You sort of proved my point.
Even though the American parents are citizens; which means that ANYWHERE that kid is born, he is an American citizen.
EVEN IF Obama was born in Tibet, his mother is an American citizen. That would make Obama an American citizen. (along with haveing duo citizenship of the father)

One only needs to be born an American citizen, it doesn't matter where in the world the person is born, having at least one that is a USA citizen, makes the kid a citizen.


myLot reputation of 91/100. General_Spacey (1194)   ranked 109 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

and, of course, soome people like just like to flap their yap, especially when they think they sund good.

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2. myLot reputation of 65/100. anniepa (9215)   ranked 376 out of 6,357 in politics   7 months ago

Why indeed! It's really getting ridiculous, isn't it? The one scenario is that his mother, who was only about 18 at the time of Obama's birth, had him in Kenya and quickly hopped a plane to Hawaii so they could say he was born there. Like you said, somehow they just KNEW the moment he was born that he was going to be President one day. Also, it's been posted here that Obama told his kindergarten teacher he was going to be President so that's "proof" of some conspiracy. Hey, I can top that - my grandson wasn't even three years old when he said he was going to be President...or a race car driver or a garbage man...lol!
Annie


myLot reputation of 88/100. grammasnook (1260)   ranked 87 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

My daughter was born in Ft Benning Ga in 1992 and I have used her certificate of live birth from getting her into school to getting her passport to go to Italy. My daughter was conceived as soon as her daddy stepped off the plane from serving in the Gulf War. This is her valid certificate of birth or as you would like to say birth certificate. After looking at my own birth certificate it does not have the attending doctors name on it? hold on wait a minute am I a naturally born citizen. None of our birth certificates have the attending doctor.

Annie help me please my attending doctor is not on my birth certificate this must mean that my mom flew me in from scotland and I am not a natural born citizen rasp

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3. myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (4048)   ranked 2,960 out of 6,357 in politics   7 months ago

Maybe you can get these answers as well why did Obama put on his political page a certification of live birth and not a copy of his legal Hawaii birth certificate which would clearly state his name,place of birth,date of birth,time of birth and attending doctor name which would 100% end this 18 month old controversy?

October 2008 Obama was in Honolulu,Hawaii where he claims he was born why did he not bring a legal court copy of his Honolulu,Hawaii birth certfcate back to Washington D.C.with his which would 100% end this 18 month controversy as to where he was actually born?


myLot reputation of 61/100. us2owls (2034)   ranked 962 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

Rose - We might as well face it - this pot is going to continue to boil with the pro's & cons and millions are going to be spent to keep us from getting honest answers. It boggles my mind.


myLot reputation of 42/100. lisan23 (257)   ranked 911 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

I already answered your first question kennyrose. Did you read my post? In the state of Hawaii (and Idaho, and now it seems Georgia too) a certificate of live birth IS a legal copy of a Hawiian birth certificate. As explained to me by the woman in the Department of Health office, the state of Hawaii allows citizens to get copies of their short form birth certificates ONLY, the long form originally filled out at the hospital is not available for citizens to request. Have you called them? My birth certificate states "Certificate of live birth" across the top. It's a legal Idaho birth certificate, I've used it to get 2 drivers licenses. It has no attending doctor name on it, neither does my husbands or my daughters, both Utah birth certificates.

I have an idea, kennyrose. Why don't you call the Hawaii Department of Health yourself and ask them why they don't issue the long form birth certificates to their citizens?

And why don't you address my point of his birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper which also put his parent's home address (in Hawaii) in the ad?

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4. myLot reputation of 72/100. irishidid (3043)   ranked 1,311 out of 6,357 in politics   7 months ago

The newspaper announcement is a moot point and doesn't prove anything. Mine says certificate of live birth same for all three of my kids. I don't think there is a difference between the two. I'm sure most if not all people have a paper that says "certificate of live birth" rather than birth certificate. It's the same thing only said in a different way.


myLot reputation of 79/100. spalladino (8992)   ranked 176 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

Yes it's because there's also a certificate of stillbirth where the baby did not make it but was still born and named. This is one reason for the wording and it's pretty standard.

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5. myLot reputation of 61/100. matersfish (821)   ranked 994 out of 6,357 in politics   7 months ago

I don't see "the birth certificate thing" as a lone issue. Since we're calling it "whining," it plays into a bigger picture of a supposed transparent presidency.

It's not solely about the birth certificate; it's that nothing, and I mean nothing, Obama is associated with becomes a national story.

Everything that surfaced about the man was denounced as nothing more than "right-wing attacks." His ongoing association with a radical church, his ties with domestic terrorists, his Marxist studies, his say-one-thing-do-the-other voting/rhetoric record, his consistent flip-flopping on major issues, his plan to tax coal out of existence, and the list goes on. You were not allowed in a free America to cite any of these things without being viciously torn apart by the left and called a racist, hate-mongering, dirty neo-con.

And this is strange, especially considering that Bush II could mispronunciate (lol) a word during a press conference and the New York Times would run 17-inches of front-page glorly decrying the president as a moron, yet when it came time for the newspaper of record to drop a story about ACORN and supposed ties to Obama, they shut up like a fresh clam. And this continues to be an ongoing theme on a national level.

The birth certificate thing is part of a much, much larger picture. You can even add hypocrisy to the list on Obama's end. He won the Senate primaries and then the elections by having (supposedly his 'team' had) his opponents' SEALED, PRIVATE divorce records released to the public! Yet, when it's his turn to pony up SEALED, PRIVATE documents, it's a constant game of misdirection.

I've met plenty of people who literally hated Bush II and wanted Obama in, but after they've learned about his willingness to expose everyone else that isn't him, they've all scratched their heads.

I have a question for everyone: Who is Barack Obama?

Does anyone know--whether you bash him or defend him--who this man is? He was NEVER put under a microscope. People NEVER worried about Biden the same way they worried about Palin. People NEVER worried that having an ALL RADICALLY LIBERAL trifecta of power may corrupt America on some levels (which we're seeing al-friggin-ready).

By itself, the birth certificate thing is just the latest attempt to make some dirt stick to the man, in my opinon. But along with everything else, it's another prime example of the EXTREME bias shown for Obama over every other politcian America has ever had, right or left. Everything turns into either a conservative or a liberal thing and never an American thing.

In my little town, the guy running for mayor was put under more scrutiny than the POTUS! Something's very, very wrong with that picture. And I don't care if you're a Kool-Aid-drinkin' diehard that owns every Obama plate, t-shirt, coin, poster and napkin set in the world. There's still something very disturbing about not knowing someone who's making the lion's share of America's decisions. If wanting to know is "whining," I'm sure a lot will proudly wear that badge.


myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (4048)   ranked 2,960 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

Mastersfish,
You can check out Obama's selective service application at the first link below noting Barack Obama's signature on the application and other very strange discoveries in regaurd to Obama's selective service application,this legal document was obtained through the freedom of information act.

Then check Obama's signature at the second link where he signed books and shirts and compare that signature with the selective service application signature,I went to Wikipedia and they have Obama's signature on file as well then I compared all three sets of Barack Obama signatures,very interesting to say the very least.
You may find some very interesting pieces to the Obama puzzle at the first link other then his signature. ROSE



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6. myLot reputation of 75/100. Arkie69 (1098)   ranked 370 out of 6,357 in politics   7 months ago

What you should have done is pay the $10 or what ever it is and have them mail you a copy of Obama's birth certificate. They are public record you know and anyone has a right to see them. If there is one on record of Obama being born in the US why hasn't someone at least shown a copy on one of the news networks. If there was one most Americans would have already seen a copy of it. You would probably be able to get a copy on eBay way before now. I don't know if he was born in the US or not and couldn't care less. But I'll put it this way, If he was born in the US he is dirt stupid for not proving it by now and spending all the money he has to keep from proving it. In my books that doesn't tell me he is the kind of man we need running this country.

Art


myLot reputation of 79/100. spalladino (8992)   ranked 176 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

No, Arkie, a birth certificate is a matter of public record. They're private and only the person named on it or the parents who were listed can order a copy. Imagine how easy it would for your identity to be stolen if some stranger could get his hands on yours.

Obama did have a copy of his birth certificate on his website which produced a lot of conclusions by various experts...some claiming it was a fake or was altered. The most convincing analysis of the document came from a non-partisan, geeky computer type site which had previously proven that the sexy picture of Palin in a miniskirt was a fake. They compared a known fake to what Obama had provided and explained in layman's terms what they were looking for in, for example, the code behind the document, providing examples of what certain alterations would look like, and pronounced the document as genuine. Here's a link to the site if you'd like to see their report. I found it pretty interesting.

http://xenon.arcticus.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-image-tampering-analysis


myLot reputation of 42/100. lisan23 (257)   ranked 911 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

Which is when factcheck.org got their hands on the physical copy of the certificate and took pictures of the seal, the signature, the missing number, etc.

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7. myLot reputation of 61/100. AbbyS1 (165)   ranked 1,056 out of 6,357 in politics   7 months ago

Not even Obama's opponents in the elections claimed he's not a citizen. These people must believe all the people he ran against over two years were in on a vast conspiracy. Like you said, hardcore conspiracy theorists. For one thing, they are people who have a narrow world view to begin with -- they get "news" from places like the World Net Daily and forwarded emails. They are hysterical fearmongers. It is ludicrous, and I wish I could put that b.s.on ignore!

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8. thistledown (36)   ranked 5,415 out of 6,357 in politics   7 months ago

No, I would say, they are people who pulled thier heads out of the sand a little quicker than others.

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9. myLot reputation of 76/100. lilwonders456 (1913)   ranked 60 out of 6,357 in politics   7 months ago

Why doesn't he just release the paperwork and get it over with? His mom was a US citizen. End of story. There is concern about it because some of his family claims he was actually born in kenya and not america. But even if that is true his mom was still a us citizen. It would make his mother guilty of lying on the birth certificate. Not obama. And it would not change his citizenship status. But it would make his birth certificate invalid. But they would just have to register him as an american born abroad. Which would not change his citizenship status just his birth certificate. But who knows if it is true. But it is strange different members of his family say he was born in different places. You would think it would be something they would remember correctly.

I am not so sure about when his mother revoked both of their american citizenships when they became citizens of indonesia. But sence he was a minor at the time and did not have a say in it....american may not recognize his citizenship being revoked. I know Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenships and makes people who want to citiizens of their country revoke any other citizenships they have. But I don't know if America recognizes that or not.

We have never had a president with multiple citizenships before so this is why it is an issue. No one really knows if these things make a difference or not because we have never had this come up before. They are real questions and I think they need to be answered on how the laws on it run and how it effects candidates of multiple citizenships. Their are special rules in place for being president. I do think this needs to be looked into so that in the future we will know exactly what the rules are and how it applies to candidates with multiple citizenships. It would cut down on the confusion.
But then I think this whole thing would not have gotten this far if Obama would just release the information and be done with it.


myLot reputation of 42/100. lisan23 (257)   ranked 911 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

He released his short form birth certificate which is the ONLY certificate available to Hawaiian citizens. What more do you want? For him to demand that Hawaii find his long form certificate and release it? Even if he did demand it, it doesn't mean they'll do it.

One out of my 4 grandparents know where I was born, and I was the first grandchild on my mom's side. Three of them think I'm born in Michigan, despite me telling them several times that's incorrect. Only my grandma remembers that I was born in Idaho. Also, 2 of my siblings think I'm born in Michigan as well, even though I wasn't. They all think this because 3 of my siblings were born there, that's where most of my family lived at the time, and my parents moved there when I was only a few months old. So no, knowing where a family member was born is not something that all families should know. Only 1 of my siblings, my parents, and my grandma remember that I wasn't born in Michigan.


myLot reputation of 76/100. lilwonders456 (1913)   ranked 60 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

But do those family members claim to be present at your birth? His family in Kenya says he was born there and they were in the room when he was born. That strikes me as odd. Maybe they are wrong. But that is kinda something I think you would remeber correctly. Especially wether or not you were in the room at the birth.

But it really does not make much of a difference. Even if he was born in Kenya. He is still a us citiizen. The real questions is wether or not his mother revoking his citizenships counts. Which I think because he was a minor it does not count. But I am not sure.
I could be wrong.


myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (4048)   ranked 2,960 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

A Hawaii citizen put their Hawaii birth certificate online,view at the link below.

http://snarkybytes.com/?p=521


myLot reputation of 42/100. lisan23 (257)   ranked 911 out of 6,357 in politics  7 months ago

And a copy from 1998 and 2008 probably don't look the same. Both my husband and my daughter were born in Utah. He got a copy of his birth certificate after turning 18 in 2002. We got a copy of our daughters birth certificate in 2006. They didn't look the same. So why not find a copy of a certificate issued by Hawaii in 2008, which is when Obama would've gotten his?

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10. myLot reputation of 92/100. k1tten (2056)   ranked 2,905 out of 6,357 in politics   7 months ago

I'd have to agree. I have a few conspiracies but this one is just rediculous. A birth certificate is a birth certificate. If you're born here, no matter where your parents were born, you're a natural born. That's what this country was built on.

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