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myLot reputation of 45/100. thegreatdebater (1068)   ranked 516 out of 6,394 in politics7 months ago

Where I live, gas prices are as high as $2.90 a gallon, the national average is $2.60. Yesterday crude oil ended the day at $68.44 a barrel. At the peak last year, oil reached $147.00 a barrel, and the national average was $4.11. According to Valero (the largest US oil refiner), world wide supply is very high, demand is very low, and they are expecting a loss in the second quarter. There is absolutely no reason for oil or gas to be at this level right now. So why is it so high?

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 70/100. hanah87 (1597)   ranked 1,710 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

Maybe it is hard to find the source of oil or gas and hard to produce it.So that's why the supplier take high price for it.If the price is too low,maybe rich people will use and buy it many time without worry about it and make it finish faster.Think about it deeply...thank you.

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2. myLot reputation of 78/100. xfahctor (5597)   ranked 62 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

It's a prtty complicated mix of circumstances I still don't fully understand. Bottle necking at the refining process and shipping shortcommings combined with oportunists in the refining industry is my initial assesment. You seem to be our resident "oil man", I'd be very interested in hearing your take on it as well as maybe your predictions for the summer, what do you see the gas prices reaching summer? I myself don't expect to see 4 dollar a gallon gas again this summer, but I a m also pretty sure we haven't seen the top end of the price climb yet.


myLot reputation of 45/100. thegreatdebater (1068)   ranked 516 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

X, as you know I am in this industry, and there is No reason for gas prices, or oil prices to be this high. Supply is high, demand is low, and the biggest refiner in the country says they aren't making money. Your guess is as good as mine, but Obama better step up and find out what is going on, and put a stop to this quick. High energy prices were partically to blame for the mess we are in now, and if they continue to go up, then it could send us into a depression. I was listening to CNBC on Friday and one of the oil experts made a very scary comment, "he said that we know that the $4.11 per gallon mark is where Americans stop buying, so we know it won't get that high". I think we will see the $3.00 a gallon mark, but that isn't a stretch it is already $2.86, so that isn't that far away. But we could see it go even higher, but it is all about the media, if the media notices this, and tells everyone about it, it will put pressure on who ever is doing this, and will force them back into their holes (where they belong).

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3. myLot reputation of 79/100. spalladino (9074)   ranked 176 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

I would think that it's an effort by the oil companies to maximize their potential for as much profit as possible during the peak summer driving season. As you have pointed out, supply is high but demand is still low. I don't think we'll see $4 a gallon again but they'll inch it back up as much as they can get away with.

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4. myLot reputation of 75/100. heathcliff (791)   ranked 349 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

Your responders above are all correct, but my question is: Why are the politicians not jumping up to invetigate price gouging THIS time? Last year at this time the% profit per barrel was considerably lower but politicians scrambled to say they would ge to the bottom of it!

Are they less concerned because this is such a minor election year (as opposed to last year), or are they excited to see at least one sector of the big business economy actually prospering. Do they think oil companies can drive up the economy by driving up their profits?


myLot reputation of 92/100. Signal20 (1830)   ranked 938 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

You hit it on the head, it's not an election year. So they don't care, because they're all going to profit from it.


myLot reputation of 45/100. thegreatdebater (1068)   ranked 516 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

Heathcliff, you are 100% correct that we need our politicans to stand up for us and drive these scum back into their holes. The sad part is the only time our politicans react to something is when we make them, or they are getting paid to. I am sure that it being a none election year does allow who ever this is to make a fortune off of us. But, we need to get this back inline, if we allow them to continue with this, the next time oil takes a huge jump and reaches that $147.00 range gas will be in the $6.00 range.

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5. myLot reputation of 75/100. Arkie69 (1103)   ranked 370 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

Yes there is a very good reason for the high gas prices. It's called greed. The oil companies learned that a lot of people will cut back on buying gas if the price goes over $4 a gallon. This time they are going to easy the price back up to about $3.75 a gallon and stay there a while. When we have learned to live with that they will ease it up a little more. They raised the price of gas too fast but if they raise it slowly they can get it back over $4 and the people will pay it. Why does our government allow this? Far too many of the elected are connected to the oil business in one way or the other and it is putting extra profits in their pockets.

Art


myLot reputation of 45/100. thegreatdebater (1068)   ranked 516 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

I do agree with you Arkie, the oil companies are greedy, and that our politicans need to stand up for us. The oil companies don't mind throwing around millions of dollars at our elected officals, and we all know that our government is run by money.


myLot reputation of 75/100. Arkie69 (1103)   ranked 370 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

Yes and keep in mind that every cent the oil companies bribe out elected with comes out of our pockets every time we buy a gallon of gasoline. The stupid idiots are using our own money against us and this bunch of dumb A*s*s we have in Washington are letting them do it. What's worse is we are sitting on our hands letting them get away with it. When you have looked at all sides of it I must say we are getting exactly what we deserve.
Art


myLot reputation of 45/100. thegreatdebater (1068)   ranked 516 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

Arkie, you are 100% correct. The sad part is that our government is run by these criminals, and even when someone comes in talking about reform, they are quickly paid off so they never change anything. It is hard to blame people for taking all of this money when you consider most of us would do the same thing. If you were offered millions of dollars to vote a certain way, or not vote at all, then the vast majority of us would do it. I find it ironic how many people go to Washington with a modest bank account, and leave millionaires. Government shouldn't be a place where you made your fortune, but far to often this is the case.


myLot reputation of 75/100. Arkie69 (1103)   ranked 370 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

You are exactly correct. We need a law that says a person cannot accept money from any other source to use to be elected. If these people had to pay out of their own pockets to tell us all these lies they might choose their words a little better. This would stop this stuff of spending millions to win a fer hundred thousand a year office. At least they wouldn't owe all these favors when they did get in office. We need to clean a lot of trash out of Washington and new laws that are strictly enforced is the only way to do it. The big problem is this trash that needs to be removes are the ones that pass the laws. New laws should only be passed by popular vote of the taxpayers. Not by the crooks we have in office. The bottom line is the voters are going to have to take control of this country. Either with peaceful ways or with guns, their choice. The people took this country once and if we are forced to we can do er again.

Art

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6. myLot reputation of 92/100. Signal20 (1830)   ranked 938 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

I just read that supposedly during the summer time they use a different blend of gasoline because of the higher temperatures I guess. I think it's just because they know people will travel more in the summer time, and use more gas for boating and other recreational vehicles, so they jack up the prices. And, just plain old greed as well. I expected it to happen, knew within a few months of Nobama taking office it was going to shoot back up.

Driving home early this morning from work, the cheaper gas stations were at about 2.37 for E10(I'm in middle TN). We have one gas station left that still has "real gas" with no ethanol, and they're always a few cents higher, they were at 2.46. I would recommend to anyone that still has stations around that carry "real gas", and if it's just a few cents difference, fill up there. I've noticed I get much better gas mileage with real gas compared to the E10 ethanol B.S. they're touting. Why should I pay more for their "new gas" that gives me cr*ppy mileage, and I have to fill up more?

Apparantly the oil companies, OPEC, and the refineries didn't learn their lesson from jacking up the prices so high last year, and maybe we need to cut back more on our usage again to send a message to them. I know I don't go out unless I absolutely have to. I'm so sick of hearing how "cheap" gas is now compared to years ago and inflation. Well, it's hitting my pocket book to the tune of 60.00 a week in gas to go to work, granted I drive 50 miles one way, but still, it's ridiculous watching it go from 20.00 to fill up my tank a few months ago to almost 30.00 a tank now. Same thing that happened last year when it was near 4.00 a gallon here. We are so screwed as a society in letting all these politicians and their rich comrades take control of our lives. Life is not going to get any easier or better anytime soon.


myLot reputation of 92/100. Signal20 (1830)   ranked 938 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

Forgot to add, it's hurricane season now here in the US, so plan on even higher prices once the season gets into full swing. I can hardly wait to see how high the prices get when the "panic" sets in from a hurricane only "projected" to hit somewhere in the US this summer.

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7. glassy1 (50)   ranked 4,973 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

$2.90 - consider yourself lucky, here in the Uk it is $8.60!


myLot reputation of 92/100. Signal20 (1830)   ranked 938 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

And that's for a litre isn't it?


myLot reputation of 45/100. thegreatdebater (1068)   ranked 516 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

Glassy, sorry to hear, maybe you should start looking at making your own fuel in this case.


myLot reputation of 75/100. Arkie69 (1103)   ranked 370 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

Glassy how the heck can you afford to pay that much for gasoline to get where you must go? We couldn't do it here in the US.

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8. myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1086)   ranked 460 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

As you said they are expecting a loss in the second quarter. Gas prices are going up to take advantage of the people traveling. People travel in the summer and all these rich bassturds (spelled for posting but pun is good too.)are just plain greedy. The gas prices should be around $1. Because we will pay the prices and no one will find an alternative the gas prices can continue to rise. Darn OPEC.


myLot reputation of 45/100. thegreatdebater (1068)   ranked 516 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

Mommaj, I figured that according to past history, gas should be $1.89 a gallon, and if we don't act to stop them it will be up to the $4.00 range within a month. We do need to find an alternative fuel to run our cars, they already have one for diesel trucks. OPEC really isn't a player anymore, it really is the big oil companies that are controlling the price of oil in the world. We buy a very small amount of oil from OPEC countries, and OPEC has had alot of problems keeping members in-line. The last time they limited production, only 50% of the members did so. Which didn't do anything at all to the world pricing.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1086)   ranked 460 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

Wasn't that just a couple of months ago? I so can't keep up with time. I thought OPEC limited supply and the prices started creeping back up. Then when summer travel began in May you started seeing big jumps. You gotta love the greed in the world. I think the alternatives to fuel should be worked on a little more instead of just when the oil prices start going up. I would like to see the technology used and be at a reasonable price, that was researched in the 70's and 80's. If you can make a hydrogen engine it should be able to be mass produced cheaply. Guess they still need to work on this technology though. I say go back to the days of "boot leggin'" and use alcohol in the cars.


myLot reputation of 45/100. thegreatdebater (1068)   ranked 516 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

Mommaj, yes that was a couple of months ago and the price did continue to go up, but it started before that. Here is what happens in the oil market: OPEC needs oil at $60 - $90 range to make money and keep demand where they need it at. When it is to low they lose money, and when it is to high they lose money. That is right they lose money when it was at $147 a barrel because demand when down, and alternative fuels were being used more which means that they were sell less crude oil. You would be surprised to see some of the statements out of OPEC when oil was so high.

Alternative fuels are out there, but the base product for these fuels are in countries that we aren't very friendly with. Countries like Cuba, and many south American countries have large amounts of sugar that we can use for ethonol, but we can't the this from them because we have trade embargos.

There are other options to decrease our demand for oil. I have a customer that has a Ford Mustang that is 400 horse power and gets 87 mpg. If we for the car companies to use this technology then we can decrease our demand for oil, and lower the cost of oil.


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9. myLot reputation of 90/100. reckon21 (2338)   ranked 1,713 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

Funny...people were worried about gas prices that could go up
in a matter of hours anytime. Some discoveries relating to other
natural sources that could help us reduce our dependency on gas
has been reported once in a while. My only question is...why it
failed to generate governments help and interest. Maybe because
gas taxes are more lucrative...I don't know the real reason. If our
scientist can fly to the moon with the billions of money expenses
taken from the taxpayers. How could they not do some experiments to
help us get rid of being dependent in gasoline. This really sad. sad

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10. myLot reputation of 92/100. Randync (458)   ranked 4,838 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

The Dollar has taken a hit under Obama's Socialisim thus it takes more of it to buy anything.


myLot reputation of 45/100. thegreatdebater (1068)   ranked 516 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

Randy, it is true that the dollar has taken a hit, but not enough to effect the price this much. Using your logic, exports would be through the roof, because we as a nation export oil. But, they are not. I am not happy with the fact that ALL of our politicans haven't stood up to the big oil companies and started to ask questions about what is going on.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mommaj (1086)   ranked 460 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

Our gov't has its hands in the gas situation or they would have done something about it. Maybe the oil companies are paying the politicians and getting them into office. I think you should want to know WHY the gov't isn't asking oil companies what the heck is going on.

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