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myLot reputation of 90/100. sudiptacallingu (7078)   ranked 96 out of 14,906 in parenting6 months ago

After my last discussion on my son wherein I have seriously taken up the suggestions of friends here to go slow on my anger, I am up against another wall. To repeat, my son will be 10 in two week’s time and though very nice and helpful most of the times, in some cases he’s just too obstinate for my liking. Well this has to do with TV time…he has 1 hr TV time in the afternoon and then in the evening when studies are over and while having dinner. Now, dinnertime is also the time when I have a little time of my own to watch the TV and chat with the family. BUT my son will just not switch over from his cartoons, neither will he allow us to talk as it distracts him. To cut it short….things have come to such a pass that today I told him (nicely, I’m controlling my anger) that he was being very selfish and well he looked at me a little hurt but shrugged his shoulders and said ‘OK… I’m selfish’ as if ‘so what!” and looked the other way.
Now what to do next? I can live without the idiot box but that’s not the point…I would like him to learn to give up a few likings for the greater family benefit and I would like him to understand what sharing with parents is.
Rebuking him or taking away his other likings or sending him to his room with dinner is not the solution…knowing my son, it will alienate him further but not make him see sense. He will continue shrugging and sulking but never admit that he is in the wrong. Also, giving in to him is not something I would like to do…I have thought of suggesting dividing the TV time but am not very comfortable with the solution. It seems more like bargaining for my own rights rather than a mother teaching her son some values! What do you guys think?

 
 
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31. myLot reputation of 88/100. trixyteddy (967)   ranked 1,967 out of 14,906 in parenting   5 months ago

I have been reading your responses, yet I'm stuck for an answer to your problem. I have two sons (both grown up now, 25 & 21 years of age). I just had to tell my older son something and he would obey. My younger son was just the opposite and I used to really get angry. I did show it without yelling. Moreover, he would put his foot down for many a thing. That's his nature (even now to an extent). What I can say, let it be. May be you have to sacrifice. As they grow up, they get to be fine. Just be friends with him. By the time he is 18 years of age, you will look back and wonder at everything. Just keep an eye on him on his outside activities. Otherwise this is all very normal with most children. Enjoy his childhood and don't be too rigid. He will change.


myLot reputation of 90/100. sudiptacallingu (7078)   ranked 96 out of 14,906 in parenting  5 months ago

outside activities are what worries me most whenever I think of becoming strict. you can very well understand his age and in a few years time, he would be going out on his own and have his own world. I would like that line of communication to remain open…I would like him to come and tell me everything…so whenever I think of banishing him to his room without food or taking away privileges (as many here have suggested)…I think of the coming years and am scared of alienating him or making him hold grudges against me. you know very well how stubborn kids are…they would go without food but will not let it show, yet they will hold that against the parent.

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32. myLot reputation of 92/100. nanajanet (2658)   ranked 93 out of 14,906 in parenting   5 months ago

Turn off the TV, eat at the table and that is it. If he argues about it, he loses all TV privileges for a week for each time that he makes a fuss about it. No questions, no bargaining, what you say goes.

If a child is disrespectful, there should be consequences that will make them unhappy to have. Find a book called, Parent Power by John Rosemond. I highly recommend it. You can find it in the library, Amazon.com or Ebay.

If it alienates him, for a while, so be it. That is not your worry right now. You are in charge, he is not. Parenting is NOT a popularity contest and sometimes you have to be more like a drill sergeant and less of a friend.

Get the book it is excellent advice.


myLot reputation of 90/100. sudiptacallingu (7078)   ranked 96 out of 14,906 in parenting  5 months ago

thnx for mentioning the book…I’ll surely be looking for it.
actually this balancing act between a tough parent and a friend is what is getting on my nerves. Most of the times we are OK and he knows who’s in charge, but say ‘no’ to anything which he really wants, and the troubles start. Its this making him accept ‘no’ which is becoming way tougher by the day


myLot reputation of 92/100. nanajanet (2658)   ranked 93 out of 14,906 in parenting  5 months ago

I have to share with you what my children's pediatrician told me when my first child, a son, was born (he was also my pediatrician when I was young, had ten kids, all who became doctors and other professionals).

When I asked him how he raised ten wonderful kids he said, "For every ten things that they ask for, that they want (not need), say, "No, nine times."

The best advice I have ever heard. When they are used to hearing the word NO, it is not a big deal, but we have been brain washed by so many influences that we must make our kids happy and that is bull. Kids are happy when they are loved and disciplined and learn to be self-sufficient. Nothing is a better self-esteem booster than saying that you did well on your own.

Having kids learn chores from as early as age 18 months (put away toys), and continuing to add responsibilities at home, with no pay for it (shocking!!). Allowance and chores should not be connected. Chores are a part of being in the family and are expected, not rewarded. The reward should be, "Thanks for a good job."

Consequences, that really ARE painful (losing privileges like no date, no car, no TV, no play time, whatever) are more effective than threats or holding back money. Kids love their social lives and that always works.

Starting, with little ones, with time out and NO interaction from adults during the time (other than silently putting them back in the chair) really works and that is the age to start... very young.

But all is not lost if a child is older. It is NEVER too late to learn, it is just more challenging. The thing is, if it gets harder.... and it WILL, NEVER, NEVER give up or give in. You are NOT his friend... yet (that comes later). You are a teacher. Parents are the most important teachers. Kids learn from your actions and when they are grown, will do what you do as a parent.

My daughter parents so much like me now and it is working for her, too. Did I make mistakes? Oh, you bet!! Everyone does, but that does not make a bad parent. Who goes to school to be a parent? It is sometimes a guessing game and that is why I bought the book that I mentioned. It helped me so much.

Let us know how it goes and best wishes to you.

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33. myLot reputation of 91/100. SViswan (4201)   ranked 49 out of 14,906 in parenting   5 months ago

Hi Sudipta, long time.
You know what I think? I think you should tell him exactly what you told us when he is NOT watching television and in a mood to listen to you. Talk to him how you would to another human being. He's almost 10...he has his own identity.
Tell him that you understand how he feels about watching his television shows and not thinking about anyone else wanting to watch the 'idiot box' but that's not how a family works. You 'share' things. Sometimes one needs to give up some things one likes for the happiness of another person....and one might get more satisfaction from that than they would have got with whatever they were doing. At this point, you could throw in some examples where you give up some things you like for the happiness of your husband or child (or whoever).
Now, the important point. Once you've put your point across, LEAVE him. Let him get his mind to do some thinking. He'll come up with his own solution. Don't think he will do it the first time he gets an opportunity. He might want to test you. The next time you ask for TV time and he shrugs...just give him the look and walk off. If he doesn't get the message after a couple of times of doing this....you might need to have the talk with him again...and also put it across that he doesn't seem to have understood what you said. If that fails...then get your husband to do some old fashioned firmness...and 'You don't have that attitude with your mother!'talk.
All the best.....and don't feel frustrated. I'm going through the same thing (in other areas) with my almost 9 year old son! I know what to do...but don't have the time or patience to do it...what with the little brats tantrums thrown in!


myLot reputation of 90/100. sudiptacallingu (7078)   ranked 96 out of 14,906 in parenting  5 months ago

of all things Sandhya, I think leaving him alone to mull over his actions is going to work best. You know how our families work…its vastly different from most of the things the way they do it in western families yet, I believe the problems are the same and here too, we are seeing kids becoming way too independent earlier than we ever did in our own childhood. One friend here suggested puberty and I do thnk that might be one of the reasons. Even he himself is confused about his behaviour!
So I don’t think I’ll banish him to his room without food or take away any of his ‘privileges’…I believe that will add to the alienating factor in a pre-teen boy…it will make him feel mortified and suppressed and stubborn. Talking to him and then leaving him alone would be the best thing…after all, if he is to take stock of his actions and change them, it will have to come from within himself…he is past that age when I can impose it on him. What do you think?


myLot reputation of 91/100. SViswan (4201)   ranked 49 out of 14,906 in parenting  5 months ago

I think that's the perfect thing to do. lol..I think MY son is going through puberty too. It's hard to digest that the sweet little sons we had are turning into these stubborn boys. Now if it was my younger one I wouldn't be surprised at all....but getting this attitude from my older one really puts me off.
Having said all that, I guess it's the mother (or the main caretaker) who knows the child best and what would work and what wouldn't. All we can do is give suggestions. I've seen kids where a litte firmness works and others ..where the firmness makes them distance themselves more. It's for you to choose what works best for your child.
All the best again...and let me know what works;) I need suggestions too.

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34. myLot reputation of 88/100. candymarie (622)   ranked 2,490 out of 14,906 in parenting   5 months ago

....you send him to his room WITH dinner? I'd send him without, make the hunger thing really question his behavior, and none of that, "I promise to be good, just let me out and have some food please." My response to the kids when I did that to them? "Well it wouldn't be a lesson if you didn't live through the punishment. And what does you promising mean? You already lied. Now stop complaining and suck it up, because either way, I'm not listening to you, AND it doesn't work with me, so stop wasting your energy."
Harsh, MAYBE, but how else will they learn that when they get a punishment, just because they WON'T shut up, and holler and put up a stink, just because they promise something, oh well, if they PROMISE, they must be telling the truth. No. They stay and be punished. I don't care that they don't like it.
Also? TV during dinner time? Not so cool, turn the tv off, and say that it's impolite, not "selfish", because it really is impolite if he's demanding you guys to not say a word so he can hear the tv. Put news on insted or something, what YOU want to watch, and if he complains, remind him how he acted. And if it gets to a point where it's unbearable, then make a tv schedule for the dinner table, some night it's cartoons, the other it's news or something else you guys wanna watch.


myLot reputation of 90/100. sudiptacallingu (7078)   ranked 96 out of 14,906 in parenting  5 months ago

‘impolite’ is a much better word, thnx for suggesting this. I was conscious myself that ‘selfish’ is not exactly the word I wanted to use…repeated use of it was actually making him more selfish that he naturally is.
well, more than the TV, its his sharing and caring for the family that I want to inculcate in him. He’s no longer a child so he better start thinking about others too! Till now, I have not succeeded with the TV thing…but with so many suggestions, I am confident of succeeding…if nothing, at least I’ll manage to make ‘no TV at dinner’ compulsory, that’s for sure.

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35. myLot reputation of 95/100. suzzy3 (3913)   ranked 672 out of 14,906 in parenting   5 months ago

To be honest he sounds like he is taking over or trying to he sees the tv as a way of getting your attention,my son was the same,it was brushing his teeth would not do it,I got in a state about it,then I did not he brushed his teeth without any trouble.Tell him straight then do what you want and ignore his protests, once he realises you are not taking any notice he will stop,but then he will move on to something else.It will be a constant struggle with something or rather,when he is good go crazy,say well done,arn't you helpful.arn't you clever.He is trying to get your attention and will go to any lengths to get it.What ever you do don't argue with him that will add fuel to his fire,send him to his room if he does not do what he is told.It will work after a while,you won't get any common sense from him for a while just bear with it,this is what I did,I walked away from a row so many times,sent him to his room,made myself stay calm.When all else failed I smacked him around the back of the legs, he soon got fed up with that,just a short sharp slap just to make him realise you are the boss and not him,I only smacked my son twice warn him first if he does not comply follow through,the shock will be enough to bring him round,kids develop far greater than we ever did.Don't for goodness sake hurt him or mark him just a little wake up call,remember he will soon be a teenager and you don't want him running the home then.


myLot reputation of 90/100. sudiptacallingu (7078)   ranked 96 out of 14,906 in parenting  5 months ago

I really liked two points here…1. that it is a constant struggle 2. don’t argue, that only adds fuel to fire.
I think you have got it absolutely correct on both counts. Arguing makes him more angry and then the shouting starts and all hell breaks loose. Yes, I think keeping quiet yet firm is a better way…I’m already working on it.


myLot reputation of 95/100. suzzy3 (3913)   ranked 672 out of 14,906 in parenting  5 months ago

Good luck.patience is something we all have to work with.it is difficult beleave me my son is fifteen know but still tries it on sometimes,thankfully I have learn't to walk away,or say get on with it and leave him to it.He actually says sorry after a while,wow. thumbup

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36. myLot reputation of 95/100. Sreekala (1667)   ranked 222 out of 14,906 in parenting   5 months ago

Hi Dear,

I am late to respond and I hope that you got plenty of good advises by this time. Of course I don’t have any solution for your problem because I am already fed up with mine (lol). Today is the last holiday for my son and his school is reopening from tomorrow (July 8) and we ended up his holiday home works yesterday only. It was really a tough time for me especially we spent one month in our native place where he enjoyed much and I struggled much to get his work done. This time his holiday homework needed everyday works including diary writing etc so I pushed him to do some work but much other works were pending when we back. After my return I become mad with hot weather, office work and house hold chorus then spending time with him was really tough for me. Anyway I got a relief from yesterday night as we finished it off.

Now coming to the problem, these boys are always like this especially for single kids there is a chance to become selfish. My elder son is also showing much selfish attitude sometime with his small brother (2 years old). But I observed in between them, the younger is so caring to his brother but the elder is least bothered. Now your son is 10 years old and he may need his own individuality. Let us hope once they become grown ups they will be perfect.


myLot reputation of 90/100. sudiptacallingu (7078)   ranked 96 out of 14,906 in parenting  5 months ago

oh Sree, you managed to make me smile…aren’t all kids just the same? They will waste so much time during the hols and then when they are to attend school, they suddenly wake up to the problem that the homework has not been done. And then they need mummy to help them (which really gets my goat!)…it’s the same with me every year…I have grand plans to extra studies and practice during the hols but it all comes down to nothing!
My son’s problem is that he is very nice otherwise…caring and all that but in some cases, he is too stubborn to see reason. If I give in, its OK…if I don’t, all hell breaks loose.

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37. myLot reputation of 94/100. Ritchelle (1828)   ranked 577 out of 14,906 in parenting   5 months ago

i think let your child have what he wants then after that just pull the plug from the tv. if he still doesn't want to join you in family discussions so be it. you are the one running the household not him. in due time he'd talk to somebody when he gets bored since the tv is off.

50 50. let him have what he wants then have what you want. however, interacting with people, even if family, is not something that can be forced on anybody. it's like liking somebody...

kids having hurt feelings because of parents is a natural thing. i've been through it. and i know as a child you've been through it. with genuine love no heart of steel wouldn't melt. no eyes wide shut wouldn't see the light of day happy.


myLot reputation of 90/100. sudiptacallingu (7078)   ranked 96 out of 14,906 in parenting  5 months ago

Thnx for your words of encouragement.

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