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jacosci (34)   ranked 784 out of 9,680 in religion5 months ago

I know a 13 year old cousin who is a great friend. he is being forced to go to church by his parents. Even though he says he's an atheist and i believe him. He seems to know what he choose.Do u think that he should be force to go to a christian church.

 
 
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1. serenityjuno (38)   ranked 8,633 out of 9,680 in religion   5 months ago

No I dont believe anyone should be forced to go to church. I think if you force a teenager your only going to have a neg experenice and the child might decide to not have faith in anything cause it was forced on them

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2. myLot reputation of 81/100. believerachel (613)   ranked 6,985 out of 9,680 in religion   5 months ago

I don't think they should be forcing him to go to church because it's not going to help. When I was 13, my parents forced me to go to church with them and it only made me dislike the thought of a God. Though I am a Christian now, looking back on being forced to go to a church doesn't make me comfortable at all. Following and loving God is a choice and everyone should be able to choose to know God or not. It's not anyone else's decision. His parents sound like they have good intentions and just want their kid to not have many hardships, but forcing someone to go to church is a real turn off and is one of the reasons why people dislike a lot of Christians as they stereotype us.


kingdomkid (40)   ranked 1,916 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

What is my answer to this? Well while it is a choice as to whether or not someone accepts Jesus Christ as savior, in order to make that choice one needs to be given the information so a choice can be made. while it took me a while to come to the place of decision, by the time I did, I had adequate information and was ready for the decision I made. Remember, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.


myLot reputation of 81/100. believerachel (613)   ranked 6,985 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

The 13 year old has been given information already as he has probably been forced to go for the majority of his life. You're right in saying that faith comes by hearing but there is a difference between telling someone about God's love and forcing it down their throats. He doesn't need an altar or a preacher to save him. He just needs to have one encounter with God and his life will NEVER be the same again. He can't be forced to know God. I wasn't saved by a church, I didn't give my life at an altar. Forcing someone to go to church isn't going to work. One day he will make his own realizations and the love of God will change him.

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3. myLot reputation of 97/100. thea09 (4287)   ranked 1,312 out of 9,680 in religion   5 months ago

Hi jacosci, I think that definitely he should not be forced to go to church, surely at 13 or even younger a person is intelligent enough to know their own mind and not have others beliefs imposed upon him. Rather than following the pack your cousin has thought things through for himself and that is to be admired, it shows that he has an enquiring mind. To be expected to blindly follow something he has no belief in is counter productive and shows lack of respect by his parents for his choice.

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4. myLot reputation of 96/100. jammyt (2635)   ranked 6,525 out of 9,680 in religion   5 months ago

If he is forced, all the more he would not like the experience of going to Church. Or worse, he is physically present yet his mind will be wandering around. Of course, we are taught to be scared and that it is an obligation to go to Church but like I said, his heart is not in it anyway. Futile effort... lol

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5. myLot reputation of 100/100. submerryn (709)   5 months ago

I dont think anyone of any AGE should be forced to go to church. People should go to church voluntarily. Maybe the parents are trying to reinforce the spiritual habit in your cousin, but indirectly had made it the hard way. I wont force my child into any religion or going to church, temple or anywhere for that matter. When he is old enough to make his own decision, he'll do it. Meanwhile, I'll just expose him to what he will be missing if he doesnt go to church. Maybe that will make him want to go to church the next Sunday.

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6. myLot reputation of 39/100. kdmlrys (257)   ranked 1,114 out of 9,680 in religion   5 months ago

You are destroying the reputation of Christianity if you force someone to attend church services. What would other people think about Christians if they encounter something like this? To be honest, it's a huge turn-off! I think this is one of the reasons why people turn away from churches. And the bottom line is, beliefs should not be forced upon someone.

 
7. myLot reputation of 86/100. Ravenladyj (17921)   ranked 123 out of 9,680 in religion   5 months ago

I dont think anyone, child or adult, should be forced to go to church or practice any religion...For starters (in the case of a child) it will create issues in the family (assuming the child isnt interested) such as resentment..it will also create issues with how that person (child) views that religion and its believers later on in life which of course could snowball into a big bad hateful scene AND I think its also a form of disrespect to that particular religion, the church and its believers..

I'm a firm believer that a child should be taught the basics of numerous religions (should or when they begin to show an interest) and then they have the starting point to explore and decide for themselves when they are ready..


jacosci (34)   ranked 784 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

I think that is such a good idea thanks


myLot reputation of 91/100. uath13 (3764)   ranked 277 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

Wow Raven way to leave the rest of us ABSOLUTELY NOTING ELSE TO SAY!

Good Job!thumbup


myLot reputation of 23/100. Springlady (2034)   ranked 4,016 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

I pray that more parents will teach their children about Jesus Christ. Our world is in a mess right now simply because people are turning away from God and that is the biggest mistake anyone can make.

I pray all the time that children who are not raised by godly parents will come to know the Lord Jesus Christ from someone who truly cares about them.

God bless.
~Spring


jacosci (34)   ranked 784 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

Springlady our world is in a mess but we are the ones who will fix it and it's not because people are turning from "GOD".


myLot reputation of 23/100. Springlady (2034)   ranked 4,016 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

We can fix it? Yeah, we've done really well so far!

No, friend, only the Lord can truly heal our nation. We need to acknowledge that and turn to Him for forgiveness and repentance.

Read II Chronicles 7:14

God bless.


myLot reputation of 86/100. Ravenladyj (17921)   ranked 123 out of 9,680 in religion  4 months ago

I pray all the time that children who are not raised by godly parents will come to know the Lord Jesus Christ from someone who truly cares about them.

so you are implying then that parents/caregivers who DON'T believe in god or force ANY religion on their children dont truly care about them??

 
8. happy_phantom (73)   ranked 9,479 out of 9,680 in religion   5 months ago

I'm going to disagree with what seems to be the general view on this matter and I do have good, at least in my opinion, reasons. First, your cousin is 13, a minor, a child. He is not old enough to legally vote, drink, have intercourse, drive, hold a job, get married, smoke... etc. You get the idea. His parents provide for all his needs and wants as he cannot do so himself.
Now I'm going to approach this from the possible point of view of the parents. As a parent it is their responsibility to see to all the needs of their child; housing, food, clothing... etc. Those are the physical needs. Another list of needs would be education, morals, ethics... etc. For a Christian parent (and other religions as well though I am not as familiar with them) there exists one other need and that is spiritual. Now just to make it clear, it is (as is stated in the Bible) the responsibility of the parents to bring their children up following God. Of course this entails a whole list of things, but that's not the point here.
While it is his personal choice to believe any religion or system of ideology that he wants. He is the child and his parents are the adults. He doesn't pay the bills, he doesn't provide for anything, he lacks the years of experience, education and knowledge that his parents have. If for no other reason then that they are his parents, he should obey, humor them if he must. Church service is normally one hour, maybe an hour and a half, one day of the week. Not that much time is it?
To use a metaphor. (Still going from the view of Christian parents)
The parents that are religious, but do not bring up their children in the religion, are like the parents that eat healthy and exercise, but do not bring up their children to do the same and given the choice the children eat sweets and other foods that offer nothing beneficial to their health and instead of going outside to play they stay inside and watch tv and play video games.
Now the parents that are religious and bring their children up in the religion are like the parents that eat healthy, exercise and bring their children up to do the same. Even though the children might not like vegetables and don't want to eat them, they are taught to eat them because it is good for them.
Now when both sets of children grow up, which set will be healthier, have the better habits, knowledge of what is good for them and the discipline to do the better thing for themselves even if it's not always what they would rather do. Of course as adults they now get to make the choices they want, but who is better equipped to live a healthier life?
It's another way of looking at things, if nothing else. If he goes to church then when he becomes an adult he'll be able to make an informed (hopefully at that point) decision and his parents will have done what they can to provide him with the knowledge to make that decision. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but to me he's a child, has the knowledge, attention span, maturity and experience of a child, which is to say, probably not that much. He could be one of those kids that is smarter and more mature then most, but I'm speaking generally.
I hope this helped to bring at least a different view of things. Best wishes.


myLot reputation of 97/100. thea09 (4287)   ranked 1,312 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

You say rightly that it is a parent's responsibility to provide education, morals and ethics. The education teaches a child to think for themselves and form rational opinions and to discount organised religion is one of the outcomes of a free thinking mind which constantly questions and has been broadened by education and reading. Morals and ethics are not exclusive to a certain church or religion, but the narrow minded teachings of religion disclude the possiblity that a person who decides on atheism therefore has no morals or ethics. This is a total nonsense. This boy has probably already been subjected to his parents religion and has made his own well thought out choice, an active thinking brain embraces originality rather than following herd mentality.


filmore (27)   ranked 2,072 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

I live in the Caribbean and probably my opinion might me different." The term forcing" him to go to Church. At thirteen years. I see it as he is still a minor, and as it was stated, church is only one day and a least two hours. Why drain himself so much, the time passes quickly. I am not saying that the parents are wrong. They are training up their child the right way, so if he chooses to find other ways of spiritual guidance or discipline when he becomes an adult, at least he would have gathered or learnt so knowledge or shared in what his parents believe. People give children too much levarage. As soon as they show smartness or maturity for their age, some people say they have a mind of their own. Then why are parents/guardians given the role to support children from baby to age eighteen years. Or is the age span earlier in certain states?


allnicksaretaken (22)   ranked 8,955 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

Children are far more intelligent than people give them credit for. They can often see things adults simply refuse to see and their minds are far more open to new ideas and possibilities. I do not mean to offend you here, but this "I'm paying the bills, I'm providing for you, you do as I say" way of raising children is something that belongs back in the middle ages. This is the 21st century and people are finally starting to liberate themselves more an more from the choking grasp that religion had over them throughout the course of history.

No one should be forced to go to church or having his parents' beliefs shoved down their throat. I have nothing against religious people as long as they don't force it on people and throw it in their faces with every chance they get. Christianity and Islam excel at this though.


happy_phantom (73)   ranked 9,479 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

Thea,
There a few things I'd like to address in your comment. Before really getting into it I do want to say that I respect your opinion on things even if I don't agree with them, so thank you for adding your point of view.
First I'd like to point out that I deliberately separated the responsibility parents have to teach morals and ethics from religion. One does not solely hing upon the other, that isn't to say they cannot be effected by the other.
Second, I am curious as to where you received your information that religion "disclude[s] the possibility a person who decides on atheism therefore has no morals or ethics." I've heard this claim before, but never from a Christian. Nor was I ever exposed to this point of view in church. What I have heard, and this is from literature not doctrine, is the question of what is the ethics and/or morals of derived from or based off of and what validates those morals/ethics.
Let me illuminate this with a modern historical example. The eugenics movement in the 1900s. Eugenics is validated by the Darwinist idea of survival of the fittest which led to the idea that only the fit show be allowed to reproduce. Eugenics in the US led to over 60,000 people being sterilized. Literature in the US written by those endorsing eugenics was used by the Nazis as evidence to support some of their ideas. If you're interested Wiki has much more on this subject and how it was used in multiple nations and supported by various governments, universities and very well known individuals.
Back to the subject of the post; the boy is a child who hasn't even been taught anything other then the basics in science, history and literature; just a few of the subjects that would enable him to make a well thought out choice. Exactly how long would he have been looking into, researching and trying to understand atheism exactly? A month, a year, maybe two at the most? Which means maybe he started thinking about it when he was 11. And we all know how intelligent, reasonable and contemplative an 11 year old is.
If he chose to rebel and create strife within the family over this matter it would, in my opinion, illustrate his immaturity and lack of respect for his parents. Because in the end it would be him creating the strife in the family, not his parents.
And there is one last matter to address Thea, and that's the idea that being a part of a religion, especially in the US is following the herd mentality. First that gives the misconception that the people don't think for themselves. Personally I've met and read about people from all walks of life that are now religious. Some come from a religious backgrounds, some went away from that background before coming back to it on their own, others never knew much about it til they were adults and really the list goes on. Some have never completed high school and others have a PHD. Are all these people really following the herd mentality? Then there's the matter that atheism and agnosticism is not just acceptable, but looked upon as enlightened. Not having a religion is becoming the norm, especially if you're educated. Which means that you get opposition from all ends regardless of your belief.


myLot reputation of 23/100. Springlady (2034)   ranked 4,016 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

Yes, parents need to provide for the children's spiritual needs as well as their physical needs. It is just as important if not more important.


myLot reputation of 97/100. thea09 (4287)   ranked 1,312 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

Good morning happy phantom, will try for a third time to put a response in here to you, each time I've tried it has disappeared into cyber space. As we are both responding on someone else's discussions we do not receive notifications when we address each other in the middle and it is only by chance I saw this well thought out answer above. If you see this put a note below and I will answer later as have a busy day ahead. I do like to see proper discussions which bring out diversity of opinion, don't you?


happy_phantom (73)   ranked 9,479 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

Thea, I've love to have a discussion that really digs into the matter. I'm sorry you had a hard time with posting a response, I've experienced that and retyping everything can be horrible. Maybe we could start another discussion?


myLot reputation of 97/100. thea09 (4287)   ranked 1,312 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

Hi happy phantom, we'll do that if you can keep your responses shorter, the typing back and having it disappear is happening more and more often. If you start I promise to respond, just stick a note on here where you've put it and title and I'll check back here. thumbup


myLot reputation of 97/100. thea09 (4287)   ranked 1,312 out of 9,680 in religion  5 months ago

This is crazy, I'll send you a friend request then I'll receive notification, easier all round!

 
9. myLot reputation of 83/100. EvanHunter (1525)   ranked 185 out of 9,680 in religion   5 months ago

In the short response, yes I do. When he is of legal age than he can do what he wants. Religion is no different than anything else, he is still a minor. Do I think it will help to force someone, No, but than again it opens up more opportunities than him sitting at home online or playing a video game or worse if he is on the streets.

 
10. myLot reputation of 99/100. scarlet_woman (8817)   ranked 1,068 out of 9,680 in religion   5 months ago

no,i do not.
if he is that against it,it will only cause problems.
granted he is a minor,but there are some things children should have some input on.
at the very least the parents should be open to discussion with him about it.

 
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