First Democrat Since Civil War Wins New York 23rd!!!   

Rose, are you saying the DEMOCRAT that won in the NY 23rd is better than the REPUBLICAN he replaced...lol?

Annie

taskr.
i think tonigth the american people but the democrates on notice,the american people sent a message to washington d.c. not on party ties but for the good of the american people and our country and i'm very proud of them all for doing the rigth thing for the coutry.
hell hillary clinton lost big time last year first time a women has run for office of presisdent and the democrates kicked her to the curb for a chicago community organizer who has never held a legal job in his 47 year's,so what dose that tell a person?far as the new york race othr then doug hoffman there was no one to vote for that would be good for the country unelss owens is a moderate democrate, the gop gal was a sorry joke she may as well be a liberal democrate and join them destroying what is left of our country.
no one obama courted won they all was washed up thanks to them selfs good riddens to them all.

i just posted a late night news artical saying voting machines broke downh during todays election.the court has ordered them impound so i wonder do they really know who won the 23 district for certain?

Rose, in the two races that sent someone to Washington Democrats were elected!

Taskr, I didn't say any particular race was or was NOT a big deal to me. You're wrong about Owens being the only Democrat to win! Were you unaware of the special Congressional race in a conservative California district which was won by a Democrat? If the GOP expected to get a jump on regaining power in the House they must be quite disappointed. Regarding Palin, the two Republicans who won had turned down her offers of stomping for them. What does THAT tell you...lol?

"...so much for the power of Obama and the far left socialist crowd"...
Hmmm, isn't it interesting that the Democrat candidate for Virginia governor, Creigh Deeds, had vowed to opt out of any public option that may get passed in health care reform? I think the President may have helped Corzine a little bit, not enough but somewhat just the same since he was trailing by 30 points in the summer and came back to within single digits. He wasn't very popular, my own VERY liberal brother lives in NJ and isn't at all impressed with him but the "mess" the state's in has existed for quite some time, it isn't ALL Corzine's doing!

Annie

Apparently the district had been "trending to the left" in recent years. Did you notice how the conservatives are sssoooo angry that Scozzafava dropped out and backed the Democrat, but if a Democrat backs a Republican (like Lieberman for McCain) he's just following his conscience?

Annie

Good for my guy, not for your guy LOL

I sincerely hope we DO see an emergence of other parties in the near future. I think that's the only way we'll get TRUE campaign finance reform while at the same time to get GOOD third party candidates we'll need reform otherwise we'll just end up with independently wealthy, out of touch candidates who don't happen to be either Democrats or Republicans and what will we gain from that?

Annie

Unfortunately third parties are not really viable in our system, but what we are seeing is that in general the populus is more conservative than the governing parties. The Liberals are not quite as liberal as the Obama/Reed/Palosi trio and the Conservatives are more conservative than McCain and most of the other Republicans that seem to rise to the surface. I think we are about to witness a purging from both parties where the leaders more accurately represent the people. Whichever party can get their purge straightened out first will gain/remain in control.

You know, I still would have rooted for the third party even if it were some Green candidate just to get someone in there that wasn't beholden to a big party. As you said though, it was two democrats and one had an R next to her name. She proved that by endorsing a democrat.

Taskr, to you first - "As you said though, it was two democrats and one had an R next to her name. She proved that by endorsing a democrat." Tell me AGAIN what you think of Joe Lieberman and his endorsement of McCain and his promise to filibuster a vote on health care reform as well as to help some Republicans campaign next year. Or is that "different"?

Now to X - "Here is the story in this.... A third party candidate for Congress knocks one major party entirely out of the face and by a very narrow margin almost over takes the other major party. And all this after a very late entry in to the race, with not even a very suave or experienced candidate. THAT is what happened in New York yesterday annie..."...NOT QUITE!! You make it seem as if there were a totally unknown third party candidate who SINGLEHANDEDLY knocked the Republican out of the race. That is NOT what happened at all and you know it! Had it not been for first Palin's endorsement (on Facebook of all things!) then the other wingnuts jumping into the fray we'd have heard very little about this race and Scozzafava probably would have won.

Annie

Glad the wingnuts jumped in. Because as it turns out the wignuts are the majority in our country who are sick of political calculations designed for political victory rather than for the good of the people that the politicians represent.

Had Scazafava won it would have proved that political calculation works for maintaining party prowis. The election turning on its head shows that if you reject the will of the people their is a political price to pay.

gonna be a quiet day here on mylot nov 4th 2010....real quiet.

"Democrats who didn't win were poor candidates with ineffective campaign strategy and the ones who did win were simply better than the other guy and even if a lot of Democrats lost it doesn't mean that people didn't agree with them, just not enough liberals vote during an off-year election."

Yep. That's the meat of it.

I don't know about anyone else, but I like anniep and her discussions.

Maybe there are more out there, but I've yet to find anyone else who can actually START the discussion by crafting the perfect catch-22. lmao ... That's usually reserved for rebuttal. Oh, and don't forget still adding a Palin shot in there.

I guess you could use the whole "kickin' 'em while they're down" thing, but seeing as no one's really down to kick, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense either.

Until I find logic in it, I just use my option.

.... so do I like annie's discussions. She's states things straight up with the facts, man, just the facts, then you take your crayons and color it from there. If you color outside the lines, she replies and nudges you a bit so that you stay reality based. She's a political animal with a great mind for pulling it all together
and getting to the basis of the subject. You go annie, it's a pleasure to read your posts. Keep it up.

Thank you, Artistry, you're too kind! Trust me, the others (with the possible exception of X!) who have participated in this particular response don't like me or my posts. They think they can ridicule me and make everyone think I'm stupid and don't know what I'm talking about...lol! That's OK, I'm not going to stop posting my views.

Rollo1, I'd like to respectfully ask you something. You wrote, "It's unconscionable for anyone to endorse one candidate over another because of a personal temper tantrum." I saw where Scozzafava had said she decided to endorse the candidate who was closer to her own views. Of course, many members of the party that had chosen here as the nominee had abandoned her and run attack ads against her as well. Does that sound just a LITTLE familiar to you? Remember Joe Lieberman? Did you consider him to have endorsed and campaigned for McCain because of a "personal temper tantrum" about his primary loss the 2006 or is THAT different because only conservatives follow their consciences and do what they believe to be the right thing?

Annie

So, even when annip admits it's "spin" some still call it fact? Interesting.

Anniep in 2012!!

Matersfish, what should I run for? Do I have to move and if so, PLEASE let it be to a warmer climate!! And, will you be my campaign manager?

Annie

I would say that Scozzafava may have chosen the candidate closest to her views, but not the one whose views were closest to the party she belongs to and purported to represent as a candidate. If she doesn't believe in the basic tenets of the party platform, she probably should choose another party or become an independent. She took $900G from the Republican party to run her campaign and then endorsed a Democrat. Doubt they will fund her as a candidate for anything ever again.

I'm looking forward to it too!

Annie

It should also be pointed out that, even after the double teaming and him being pretty much an unknown, Hoffman only lost by 3%... pretty pathetic for the Rs and the Ds.

and THATS the story in this whole story.

Well, Ted, I get your point but "carpetbagging" has been a fairly common occurrence, hasn't it? At least Hillary DID establish residence within the state of New York, which was all she was required to do, and apparently enough residents of the state to elect her didn't mind that she hadn't lived there very long. I think Elizabeth Dole did something similar; her husband lost a Presidential election and left office as a Senator from Kansas and she runs for the Senate representing North Carolina!

Now, tell me, who had ever even HEARD of HOffman before Palin's endorsement?

Annie

The media would show up to see Palin get a pedicure, so say what you want about her endorsements, she may very well be the reason this particular race got national attention.

"Although I'm sure they didn't, but how strange."

No, the White House knew exactly what they were doing. Obama did his best to get Republicans in his administration that would leave openings for democrats to fill. It's not uncommon and I thought it was common knowledge that this was his goal. As for the conservative not living in or knowing the district, that never bothered democrats when Hillary did it to get her senate seat.

.... Taskra, I hope I spelled your name correctly, I didn't write it down, apologies if wrong. The only thing wrong with that plan is that the district is heavily Republican, as I understand it, so how in the world would a Democrat be expected to win?? Doesn't make any sense.

" so how in the world would a Democrat be expected to win"
simple.....by running two democrats.

The district is expected to "disappear" after the 2010 Census and it will be absorbed into the surrounding districts by what they call "gerrymandering", all of which are heavily Democratic. The party in power in the House gets to redraw the districts but if it goes it really won't much matter who does it, I don't think.

I LOVED how D1ck Armey did a total 180 and tossed Hoffman under the bus in so doing! He'd said it was "too parochial" to be concerned that Hoffman knew nothing about the district but afterwards he changed his tune and blamed the loss on Hoffman for not being more knowledgeable...lol!

By the way, again I'll say that Hillary DID live in NY and when you run for the Senate you can live anywhere in the state. As I recall, she'd gotten the support of some Republicans and independents, not just Democrats.

Annie