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myLot reputation of 98/100. liquorice (1744)   ranked 246 out of 14,937 in parenting1 month ago

My daughter who's nearly 4, often talks about how some colours are pretty (like pink, red and purple), and how other colours are not (she doesn't like brown, black or grey). And today she told me that people with brown skin are not pretty because their skin is brown. That made me really sad, a bit shocked and kind of worried about what she might say to the children in her class with darker skin, or to her teachers.

Her own skin tans quite easily, since the summer it's got darker, and she has also complained recently that she is not pretty because some of her skin is brown.

I gave her a long (probably too long) talk about how people can be pretty no matter what colour their skin is, and that it's not nice to say certain things about people just because of their colour. Like I say, it was quite a long talk and I kept asking her if she understood. She got upset as it sounded as if I was telling her off, and she cried. cry So not a great response, and I'm not sure that she really got my point anyway. (I also want her to understand that being pretty isn't the most important thing in life anyhow, but maybe I'll leave that for another day..)

What would your response have been to this? What do you think I should do about this, talk to her more or just leave it and let her get over it? My own feeling now is that if I talk too much about it then it might become an actual issue, whereas at the moment it's just an innocent comment. What do you think? I'd appreciate your views.

 
 
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1. kiuhkj (81)   ranked 12,250 out of 14,937 in parenting   1 month ago

Children think the problem is an intuitive, color is not colorful, right?
I think you can for example, her description. For example, with the same solor she will talk about a very deep and she brings a like. Or her to talk about the United sStates, President Barack Obama, but she is still small, do not know she was out do not understand.


myLot reputation of 98/100. liquorice (1744)   ranked 246 out of 14,937 in parenting  1 month ago

Thanks for your answer. Yes, what she's saying is based purely on the colours that she does and doesn't like, and it's all very innocent. Hope she will move on from it soon.

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2. myLot reputation of 98/100. Shar19 (2776)   ranked 401 out of 14,937 in parenting   1 month ago

At her age it it's normal for her to feel that way. After all, she's learning about different colors and what her likes and dislikes are. You gave her a good talk now just let it be. I'm sure next year she'll think differently. Just remind her that there are people of all different shapes and colors and that everyone is beautiful in their own special way.


myLot reputation of 98/100. liquorice (1744)   ranked 246 out of 14,937 in parenting  1 month ago

Thanks for your answer Shar19. Yes, you're right, I know that it's all innocent and she doesn't mean anything bad by it, just don't want anyone to hear her and get the wrong idea.. I like what you said about telling her that everyone is beautiful in their own special way. happy

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3. myLot reputation of 91/100. jennysp8 (579)   ranked 149 out of 14,937 in parenting   1 month ago

That's a hard thing to deal with, even though you know that her opinion is something out of innocence....

I would talk with her about it now...in a 4 year old kinda way...only because by the time you realize it's an "issue" she would have already made up her mind about the race thing...Better to address it now before it's too late...

Luckily, I never had that come up with my little girl who will be turning 8 this month. Ever since she was old enough to play with a Barbie Doll, I have always bought her barbie dolls of all colors and she naturally played with them, without thinking a thing about it...she is really good at accepting "colors" of people...

My son on the other hand obviously doesn't play with barbie's (LOL)and he never has had a problem until recently I caught him saying something I didn't like...it wasn't too terrible but bad enough to make me turn it into a lesson so he doesn't grow up into some racist jerk later on...it was right after he came home from his father's house and I am pretty sure that he got it from hearing his dad....I'm alone in this "fight"....I could tell my ex to cut the racist crap - but, he wouldn't change - - - he is more interested in what school district I place my son in according to how well their highschool football team plays versus the education issue itself....GRRR...

Good Luck!


momof3040708 (54)   ranked 9,500 out of 14,937 in parenting  1 month ago

Wow. This had to have shocked you, just like the day a few months ago that my son (then 4, now 5), we were in a waiting room with two different areas. When we went to the part where he could no longer see the people out in the other area, he told me he "didn't want those black people looking at him"!! He said this QUIETLY thank God!

I STILL have no idea what could have possibly caused him to say this. HE is biracial. His dad is very dark, African. They are around just as many dark skinned people as light skinned. I even asked his teacher if anything had happened in preschool that she could think of, she said no, and she was also shocked that he'd said that.

As I recall, I saved my comments for the privacy of our van and then asked him why he'd say that. (No answer) And I said things like that his dad is black, that makes him black...and he informed me that no, he is BROWN....which is true, so literal, LOL
I have not heard any more comments like that from him.

With my daughter, I'm already worried about what she's going to think of her hair, more so than her skin. I just make as many positive comments about it as I can without it being fake--like when I'm washing it, styling it whatever. Specific things I like about it. And I point out kids with her hair type on TV, in books, whatever. She is starting on her own to point out little girls with her hair type and the styles she likes--and she is only 2! (I try to do what she likes myself, and I've taken her for braids a couple times already. I really want her to see that she's got great, fun hair even if it is not probably a couple feet long and straight-straight-straight.)

Skin's a little harder...but some of the same things could work. I've already told mine they are lucky they don't burn in the sun like me.;) Maybe pointing out people she likes with darker skin, maybe that will help her see it doesn't really matter?? it's a hard one....


myLot reputation of 87/100. owlwings (5202)   ranked 2,221 out of 14,937 in parenting  1 month ago

Momof, I can quite imagine that your boy (perhaps momentarily) felt uncomfortable about being brown. Boys like to be like their dads and he must have been aware that he is not as black-skinned as his dad. Possibly the real reason why he didn't like black people looking at him was that it seemed to him at the time that they were thinking "You are not black like us".

It's hard to know what goes on in a child's mind at times. Sometimes the thoughts and ideas are far too sophisticated for them to even understand, let alone express. I think, too, that many children are aware that some impressions are fleeting and even if they do remember why they thought (and expressed) something a moment ago, they don't feel that way any more, so why should they bother about it further?


myLot reputation of 98/100. liquorice (1744)   ranked 246 out of 14,937 in parenting  1 month ago

Thanks jenny. I've talked to her about it twice now, and she's told me that she's not being horrible about the people, just about their skin. (Which makes it ok in her mind.. blink) I'm going to keep an eye on it because I don't want this to develop into anything worse, and I don't want her to upset her friends.

It's great that your daughter plays with barbie dolls of all colours, my daughter's not really into dolls, but she has books with characters of different colours and from different countries. It must be very frustrating for you that your ex is feeding your son with hateful stuff like that. I can see how hard it must be to teach your son about that being wrong. It really is a minefield isn't it?

Thanks for your comment, and good luck to you too. thumbup


myLot reputation of 98/100. liquorice (1744)   ranked 246 out of 14,937 in parenting  1 month ago

Thanks also for your comments momof and Owlwings, and thanks for sharing your story momof. Sometimes it's a real mystery why young kids say what they do. It's hard to know whether it's from outside influences or if they've just been thinking things over themselves and have come up with them all by themselves. My daughter thinks about things a lot and I know she draws her own conclusions about all sorts of things, maybe your son does the same and he has his own reason for saying what he did, that made sense to him with his own particular (4 year old) logic. I'm sure you'll do a good job with your daughter.

Owlwings, you might have something there. It's difficult to figure out what's going on in young children's heads.

 
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4. myLot reputation of 99/100. dorannmwin (2090)   ranked 745 out of 14,937 in parenting   1 month ago

My daughter did the same kind of thing when she was about the same age as your daughter is. She's been in gymnastics since she was three years old and she had the owner of the gym teaching her class for a time. He was the first black person that she'd ever met and after the class was over and we were in the car, she told me that she didn't like Mr. Ted. I asked her why and she told me it was because he was brown. She'd never met a black person in her life. It isn't because I am racist, one of my best friends from college is an African American woman.
That said, I don't think that she means what she is saying to be hurtful, it is merely because she hasn't been exposed as much. The discussion that you had with her was probably very effective, but you also need to be consistent. Now, my daughter is almost seven years old and some of her closest friends are both African American and Hispanic.


myLot reputation of 98/100. liquorice (1744)   ranked 246 out of 14,937 in parenting  1 month ago

Thanks a lot for sharing your experience with your daughter. That was also a very difficult situation. Children just say what they see, and although what they say sometimes sounds ever so wrong, in their mind they are saying what's logical. Your daughter's situation, I guess demonstrates the fact that we fear the things we don't understand, or haven't been exposed to before.

I'm hoping that it will just blow over with my daughter. I will be consistent and try not to blow it out of proportion. It shocked me at first, but I think it was really her being logical and thinking that she can apply her colour preferences to everything, but not understanding that when you're talking about skin colour that's not appropriate. She also has friends of different races, and hopefully that will continue.

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5. myLot reputation of 91/100. lichee_china (353)   ranked 7,850 out of 14,937 in parenting   1 month ago

It's mean judge a person by his skin color,I like Kobe because of his skills of basketball,I like Joinson becuase of his music and dance, I like Mandela because of brave,we can cite mandela evperice as a excellent example of overcoming adversity.and they all have darker skin,but I like and respect them very much.Your child just don't know it,just don't like the color,she has no fault as a baby,It's our responsibilty to tell them what's wrong and what's right,there is no fault dislike the color what people have,but judge them by color is wrong.if I were you i must tell her that immediately!


myLot reputation of 98/100. liquorice (1744)   ranked 246 out of 14,937 in parenting  1 month ago

Thanks for your answer. As far as I can tell she still likes her friends with different colour skin, she just doesn't like the colour of her skin. I know that distinction still doesn't make it sound great though sad. We've had a few conversations now about how it's not nice to say bad things about peoples' skin colour and her reply was something like "Oh I won't tell them I don't like their colour, I just don't like brown". I don't want to push it too far and make it into something it's not, so I'm just going to watch it carefully for now.

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6. myLot reputation of 93/100. WebMann (2765)   ranked 255 out of 14,937 in parenting   1 month ago

Thanks, you reminded of when my son started asking questions about skin colour.

I asked him what colour people are and he said a variety of colours but when I asked him what colour he was he came back with 'skin colour'. I thought that was kind of funny.

As long as you don't go over board about how she feels and never say things nasty about other races she will most likely get over it in a year.


myLot reputation of 98/100. liquorice (1744)   ranked 246 out of 14,937 in parenting  1 month ago

That's funny! Kids say the most original things.
I'm hoping that she will be over this soon, thanks for your advice. happy

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7. anaphy (84)   ranked 12,262 out of 14,937 in parenting   1 month ago

That's really hard.
Honestly, when I was young, I used to think that dark-skinned people are horrible. Yeah, I am dark-skinned and my classmates despise me and I even despise myself.
But of course, that stupid mentality had to go away if I want to have a sane life.

But someday, you have to tell her the correct idea or she will be in trouble.


And which reminds me...
Sadly, here in the Philippines, even if one does not tell his/her child about that bad idea. The media will.

The harsh reality here is, the lighter your skin is, the higher you are in the social ladder. Ironic eh?


myLot reputation of 98/100. liquorice (1744)   ranked 246 out of 14,937 in parenting  1 month ago

Ah, that's a really sad story that you didn't like your own skin. I'm glad that you stopped thinking like that. Although I suppose when you're growing up it's normal to be unhappy with how you look, and skin colour is just one aspect of that.

It is very unfortunate that the media is so judgemental about skin colour, not just in the Philippines but in many countries of the world. I really wish that someday this will change, maybe they are slowly changing already as people are travelling more, coming in contact with people who are different from themselves and there are a lot more inter-racial relationships - but it's happening much too slowly and there's still much too much colour prejudice around.

Thanks for your answer. happy

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8. myLot reputation of 87/100. cherrc (373)   ranked 12,248 out of 14,937 in parenting   1 month ago

how about this? try to explain without scolding her that it's ok to dislike the brown color but she shouldn't apply it to people. because people will get hurt if they hear her and may misunderstood her that she has a bad attitude or boastful. these are the very simple terms that i could think of instead of racism because i think it's a very huge word for kids. same thing during elementary days, kids in the neighborhood thought that white was beautiful. true but we assumed that black was not ok then although it was never mentioned in the ad. sometimes we didnt know, media has influenced us by merely posting a slogan for promoting their products. but of course, eventually we learned in the process. we met different people, be it in the tribe or civilization. take care. ΓΌ


myLot reputation of 98/100. liquorice (1744)   ranked 246 out of 14,937 in parenting  1 month ago

Thanks for your answer. I think it makes sense and it's something that she will understand. I hate the attitude that white is beautiful (and other colours are not). I'll take your advice. thumbup

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9. myLot reputation of 69/100. sarwanever (261)   ranked 5,666 out of 14,937 in parenting   1 month ago

Time will heal everything it has the power to change coal to diamond so please give her time to grow once she is mature she will understand

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10. myLot reputation of 99/100. voldrox (1498)   ranked 12,268 out of 14,937 in parenting   1 month ago

hi liquorice



your daughter for so young she is, i guess she has the perspective of looking at things just from the outside, to a child's brain the colours appeal a lot and i am sure as she will grow older she will learn to see things more deeply, who knows she would actually confess to you that how wrong she was thinking like that happy well i would suggest you don't try to talk too much to her, she probably will not understand much and think you are imposing something on her... a little more time she needs and she will understand it all thumbup...

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