Senator Coburn Calls For Prayer That Someone Doesn't Make 1 AM Vote!!
By anniepa
@anniepa (27955)
United States
December 21, 2009 4:34pm CST
You can hear both Senator Tom Coburn's words on the Senate floor and Senator Durbin's response here:http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/d1ck-durbin-calls-out-tom-coburn-asking-am
(Sorry, but you're going to have to fix the d1ck to visit this link...lol!)Does anyone else here feel this is an inappropriate use of prayer? Senator Durbin said, "This statement troubles me, and I’m trying to reach him come back to the floor and explain exactly what he meant about a senator being unable to make the vote tonight."There had been a bad snowstorm which meant travel was treacherous in some spots in the D.C. area. Also, there happens to be a Democratic Senator, Robert Byrd, who is 92 years old and has had many recent health concerns.
Once again, I wish Coburn would stick to advising his unfaithful colleagues how to get away with paying off their mistresses' husbands!!Any thoughts?Annie
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
22 Dec 09
My thoughts. I'm not a christian so I won't comment on the use of prayer in particular. One of the beliefs is that workings should never be used to harm, or unfairly manipulate, "...and harm ye none, do as you will.". But Im not a particularly deeply religious pagan so Ill keep it political. It was another good congresional facepalm moment (so i am including the obligitory face palm pic) and it was just plain. I am not inclined to think it had anythng to do with wishung anyone harm as some of the more far ended venues are reading in to this incredible moment of intelectiual brilliance...I think that line of thinking is as obsurde as what he said itelf, but I digress...it was just a dumb thing and a waste of comgresional floor time and my tax dollars, he probably cost me about 3000 bucks just in that moment of stupidity....say something relevent from that floor or shut the fak up.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
22 Dec 09
Humor me a little, X; if it didn't have anything to do with wishing anyone harm what did it have anything to do with? I realize this isn't exactly an earthshaking event in the whole scheme of things but I think it does say something about Coburn's character. Note that I'm not saying he's the worst person to ever serve in the government, I'm not saying "all Democrats are perfect" since I know I'll be accused of that. It just so happens that this is what I'm discussing now.
Annie
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
22 Dec 09
Typo fix...
"One of the beliefs is that workings should never be used to harm, or unfairly manipulate, "
should have read....
"One of the beliefs in my particular religion is that workings should never be used to harm, or unfairly manipulate, "
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@iriscot (1289)
• United States
22 Dec 09
It's just typical of the Republican dirty tricks to try and bring down the Obama administration. They lost again and old Rush Limbug really rant and raved about it on his radio program today. Doesn't he and his followers remember that Cheney said Iraqi oil would pay for Bush's War? Talk about raising the public debt... they managed to put Our Country into the trillion dollar debt with the War that can't be one.
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
22 Dec 09
To bring down the Obama administration is not a dirty trick, but rather it is the only honorable act of patriotism for these times. Obama Hussein and his leftist regime need to be brought down and brought down hard. We have never had such a pathetic and anti-American president in all of our history. This entire health care scheme is democrat trickery to steal from the American people and screw up their health care at the same time.
@iriscot (1289)
• United States
22 Dec 09
It's too bad that you don't understand what the Republican goal is. The only thing they are concerned about is regaining the power that they lost totally in the last election. They care very little about the majority of the persons living in the USA! They are proving that this is a fact by the dirty tricks and schemes that they continually use. I feel sorry for persons such as you who will never be able to accept those facts.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
22 Dec 09
Then I'd like explain Detroit that has been run by democrats since the 1960s. 80% slum and 23% unemployment rate.

@djbtol (5493)
• United States
22 Dec 09
I really don't have that much concern about Coburn's prayer. Let God's will be done. It is quite biblical to pray against your enemies. The socialist regime of Obama Hussein is a major enemy of the United States, so why not pray that they fail by whatever means God chooses to use.


@iriscot (1289)
• United States
22 Dec 09
Here's what the Senate Reform Bill will do:
-- Extend coverage to 31 million Americans, the largest expansion of coverage since the creation of Medicare.
-- Ensure that you can choose your own doctor.
-- Finally stop insurance companies from denying coverage due to a pre-existing condition.
-- Make sure you will never be charged exorbitant premiums on the basis of your age, health, or gender.
-- Guarantee you will never lose your coverage just because you get sick or injured.
-- Protect you from outrageous out-of-pocket expenditures by establishing lifetime and annual limits.
-- Allow young people to stay on their parents' coverage until they're 26 years old.
-- Create health insurance exchanges, or "one-stop shops" for individuals purchasing insurance, where insurance companies are forced to compete for new customers.
-- Lower premiums for families, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office -- especially for struggling folks who will receive subsidies.
-- Help small businesses provide health care coverage to their employees with tax credits and by allowing them to purchase coverage through the exchanges.
-- Improve and strengthen Medicare by eliminating waste and fraud (without cutting basic benefits), beginning to close the Medicare Part D donut hole, and extending the life of the Medicare trust fund.
-- Create jobs by reining in costs -- fostering competition, reducing waste and inefficiency, and starting to reward doctors and hospitals for quality, not quantity, of care.
-- Cut the deficit by over $130 billion in the next 10 years.
Why are the Republicans so against these provisions being past... Tell me that!

@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
23 Dec 09
So, can you point me to the portions of text in the amendment that do each of those things? For example, wich section and line guarantees I can choose my own doctor? Which part will lower premiums for families? did youread all 500 pages of the amendment? Or are you just citing the same rehashed talking points every other supporter of the current bill is citing?

@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
22 Dec 09
I think the entity being prayed to would be the arbiter of what is or is not an appropriate use for prayer.
My opinion is that this legislation is a huge mistake that will be a burden on future generations, that it is unlawful and dangerous and I would feel no compunction about praying for its defeat.
But if we can step down a bit from the hysterical ravings of Durbin, and acknowledge that there was no call to pray for harm to come to another member of the Senate, no fire called upon to rain down from heaven and consume Democrats, no flood summoned, no curses pronounced - then maybe we can admit that tempests in tea pots are stirred to draw attention away from what is really important. Like Reid's little subversion of the law in section 3043 of his amendment.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
22 Dec 09
So what WAS the call to pray for? He said the American people should pray for someone to not be able to make it to vote, what do you think he meant by that? He didn't say to pray that someone would "see the light" and change their vote, he said to pray that they not make it to cast their vote. It's bad enough that they would force a 92 year old man with health issues to come out in the middle of the night when had the GOP had some decency that could have been avoided!
Annie
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@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
22 Dec 09
"What the American people should pray is that somebody can’t make the vote"
And the only interpretation of that is to believe that he was wishing harm on someone? It was during a snowstorm, for crying out loud. Maybe a car doesn't start? The roads are too bad? They arrive too late due to traffic? You've never not made it to work because of a snow storm without it meaning you were killed trying to get there? Maybe he hoped someone would just fall asleep watching "The Nanny". Seriously, Durbin needs to get a grip. Coburn hoped one of the votes wouldn't be there, as the majority of Americans hoped.
Meanwhile, as Durbin makes up his own hysterical and dark explanations of this fairly innocuous remark, he totally ignores the bigoted and dangerous speech of Senator Whitehouse who compared the Republicans and those opposed to healthcare to Jim Crow-era racists and Nazis from the floor of that same Senate.
"History cautions us of the excesses to which these malignant, vindictive passions can ultimately lead. Tumbrils have rolled through taunting crowds, broken glass has sparkled in darkened streets. Strange fruit has hung from Southern trees. Even this great institution of government that we share has cowered before a tail-gunner waving secret lists." (and that's only part of the nastiness Whitehouse spewed)
To go back to the religious theme, I can only advise that it's time for some to get their attention off the specks in the other guy's eye and concentrate on removing that enormous log of prejudice blocking their own views.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
22 Dec 09
How is it this is a big deal to you, but blatant bribery, using taxpayer dollars, doesn't bother you in the least?
Also, why is it that you feel the need to repeatedly bring up this garbage about Coburn supposedly advising ensign to pay off someone? It's garbage that I'm sure you either read on a blog or watched on MSNBC. Either way it's completely irrelevant to this discussion and the last one where you brought it up.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
22 Dec 09
This isn't a discussion about "blatant bribery, using taxpayer dollars" so whether that bothers me or how much isn't relevant here. This is a discussion about a Senator who, in my opinion, acted in a very mean-spirited way. If you disagree, fine, you have a right to say so; if you don't think it's worth discussing, you could have moved on to the next one.
Finally, since I'M the one who started this discussion I guess I can put whatever I feel is relevant to it, can't I? It's NOT garbage and I didn't read it on a blog! Coburn admitted that he advised Ensign on paying off his mistress and/or her husband while they were at the infamous C Street House.
Annie





