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myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers 3 years ago

Here's a scenario that happened not too long ago with the cat rescue group that I volunteer for. The rescue center is inside a large pet store that also has a veterinarian inside.

One day a pet store employee found a cat in the parking lot. It was friendly, so they picked it up, brought it inside and put it in one of our cages. Since it was friendly, appeared to be healthy and passed its FLV/FIV test, we agreed to take it in. It was adopted out, but then became very ill. The adopter brought the cat back to the store in the evening when our group was not there. The store took it upon themselves to bring the cat to the veterinarian on premises and authorize a number of tests. By the time our person called the vet back (about a 45 minute delay), the cat had apparently tested positive for parvo and been euthanized. If our group had had a say in the matter, the cat would have been taken to our vet, with whom we have an agreement and the bill would have been much lower.

Who should pay the bill?















My take on it.....

If I had taken a cat that wasn't mine to a vet and authorized treatment on it, I would consider myself responsible for the bill.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 95/100. OpinionatedLady (1937)   ranked 761 out of 19,255 in questions & answers   3 years ago

This is a hard one. If you take an animal to a place I think you should be ready to pay the price the place charges, on the other hand the fact that it was done without approval is a mistrust on their part. Has any negotiation been taken on this subject or is it all too new to have gotten that far yet?


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

The president of our group is negotiating with the store and I suspect we'll end up splitting the bill. She's not happy about it though as we were pressured to take the cat in to begin with and then when it turned up sick the store people were really nasty to us. They threatened to euthanize all our other cats if we didn't come evacuate them, and with almost no notice.


myLot reputation of 67/100. Orea15 (197)   ranked 4,248 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

It sounds to me like this was a no-win scenario. They would have been pissed if you didn't agree to take the cat, too.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

Yeah it is somewhat a no win situation, which is why I suspect we'll end up splitting the bill.


myLot reputation of 95/100. OpinionatedLady (1937)   ranked 761 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

SO did you go back for the others? What will you do with them? I wish I could take a kitty but we are at our limits for our area for furries (we have 2 dogs, 3 cats and a rabbit)other wise the kitty we found last week would never have gone to the SPCA.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

A bunch of people went and evacuated the cats. The next day they went in again and bleached out all the cages and everything in them. The following Saturday the adoption center was up and running again.


myLot reputation of 95/100. OpinionatedLady (1937)   ranked 761 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

I am so glad it is working out. I have wanted to volunteer at our local SPCA but I am a stay at home who home schools my kids. I have offered for me and the girls to come down and help but we have some legal kinks to work out with insurances and stuff first.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

This group takes younger volunteers. Actually that's how I started. My daughter was in 6th grade and had to do some community service. After she did it, we both wanted to continue.


myLot reputation of 95/100. OpinionatedLady (1937)   ranked 761 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

My oldest is ok as she is 10, and they are sorta ok with the 8 yr old. It's the 4 yr. old they have an issue with. I told them she would be happy just to hold the food bucket when they go around to the cages or even stack cans, which the woman who runs the center is ok with it's the higher ups who have "concerns". When we are there she is all over taking care of the Barn yard critters and I believe she may have talked my husband into a set of chicken (based on if we can have them in our neighborhood). As you may be able to tell we are in a rural area so our SPCA has everything from Lizards the college kids do not want anymore to horses and cows.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

We do have people who bring younger children in when they come, but then we don't have barnyard animals, only cats.


myLot reputation of 99/100. GardenGerty (35303)   ranked 54 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

What a great way to teach life sciences in a homeschool setting. I hope it all works out.


myLot reputation of 95/100. OpinionatedLady (1937)   ranked 761 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

Not only a good way to teach about life but about different animals too, and how to care for them. The higher ups are worried about someone getting bit since a lot of the animals that are brought in are found in woods or fields and are feral. The only reason they put down is for illness and unfortunately rabies is found all to often in the feral cats especially, the dogs too.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

and to get them away from video games and such things...

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2. myLot reputation of 96/100. rusty2rusty (4225)   ranked 280 out of 19,255 in questions & answers   3 years ago

Personally, Ithink whom ever took it to the vet should be responsible to pay the bill. Not your group. As you never gave the vet permission to treat the cat. They also know you have another vet you deal with. So to me what they done was very under handed of them.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

Not only underhanded, but they were very, very rude. Not only when the cat got sick, but when the first pushed up to take it in.

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3. myLot reputation of 67/100. Orea15 (197)   ranked 4,248 out of 19,255 in questions & answers   3 years ago

I have to agree with you. You didn't authorize the visit to that vet, you took the cat in out of the goodness of your hearts. I don't know the legalities involved, but this just doesn't seem right.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

Nope it doesn't. Probably to keep good will with the store, there will be some agreement to split the bill.

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4. myLot reputation of 97/100. jesssp (1675)   ranked 521 out of 19,255 in questions & answers   3 years ago

Whoever initiated and authorized the treatment should pay the bill. You can't take your car to the shop and then just tell them to send the bill to someone else. Kind of a backwards analogy but much the same. My point is you can't expect someone to pay for something they didn't order.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

I agree, but in the interest of peace with the store mgmt., I wouldn't be surprised if the bill gets split.


myLot reputation of 97/100. jesssp (1675)   ranked 521 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

At least a split is a compromise, better than them totally refusing to own up.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

Yeah, of course I don't know if the store is even willing to do that. But they ought to.

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5. myLot reputation of 95/100. Hatley (48729)   ranked 992 out of 19,255 in questions & answers   3 years ago

hi dawnald I read and reread this and at first I thought the store manager should have to pay but no, the adopter brought
the cat back to the store and thus it was taken to the veterinarian there, so I feel the adopter should be billed as she or he owned the cat. I would feel I owed the bill if I had been her or him.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

We do allow animals to be returned and in this case the adopter returned the cat. The adopter didn't take the cat to the vet and authorize the treatment.

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6. myLot reputation of 98/100. froggieslover (1734)   ranked 25 out of 19,255 in questions & answers   3 years ago

Hmm...I would think that since your rescue group did all the test before they adopted out and all the tests came back negative, I think it should be the responsibility of the cat owner to pay the bill. But on the other hand if the cat owner didn't authorize the tests and just the store did I think the responsibility would fall onto the store...
Did the cat owner authorize these tests? Is the cat owner fighting the bill?


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

The owner returned the cat and the store authorized the bill. Parvo isn't something that is routinely tested for btw.


myLot reputation of 98/100. froggieslover (1734)   ranked 25 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

Oh I misunderstood....it should be the responsibility of the store since they are the ones to do the test without permission of your group. Yes I know that unfortunately parvo isn't something that can be tested routinely, I was actually talking about the FLV/FIV tests but since the owner returned the cat that would then put the responsibility on the store since they authorized the tests.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

I'm pretty sure the store is responsible, legally at least...

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7. myLot reputation of 99/100. savypat (13310)   ranked 346 out of 19,255 in questions & answers   3 years ago

I totally agree, we are each responsible for our actions, that includes costs


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

I wonder if the nice pet store manager agrees with that. :-)

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8. myLot reputation of 93/100. caroll30 (1178)   3 years ago

I totally agree with you dawn the person who took the cat to the vet, even though I do give that person alot of credit for doing so, not just letting the sick cat die you know?


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

Yeah, although I have actually done that, didn't know the owner, paid the bill myself.

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9. myLot reputation of 100/100. jillhill (17687)   ranked 62 out of 19,255 in questions & answers   3 years ago

Same here. I think whomever took it to the vet should pay the bill.....otherwise return it from where it came without making that sort of decision.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

I think the store was somewhat stuck in a bad position (partly of their own making) too, because the person who adopted the cat gave it back. Also it was late and by the time they did get hold of us, it was almost closing time for the vet. So, I'm thinking they authorized the payment because of the time deadline and not knowing what else to do and on the assumption that our group would pay for it. But they still should have cleared it with us if they didn't intend to pay the bill.

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10. myLot reputation of 99/100. GardenGerty (35303)   ranked 54 out of 19,255 in questions & answers   3 years ago

They should have contacted the rescue group. However the store used their own protocol. I guess you guys should have split the bill. It might work to keep the relationship between them.


myLot reputation of 96/100. dawnald (24270)   ranked 97 out of 19,255 in questions & answers  3 years ago

Yep. Although in my mind, the store was responsible for the bill the second that they authorized the treatment, in the interest of good relations we should split it. Although the store does have the upper hand a bit here as they can evict any rescue group that doesn't meet their "standards"...

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