The First Family goes to church  |
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| There has been much ado about the President and the First Family's failure to attend a Christian church since moving into the White House. An often seen speculation on this board is that he and his family are closet Muslims. Today, in celebration of Easter Sunday, the President and the First Family attended services at St. Johns Episcopal Church near the White House. Not only did they attend the service, they took Holy Communion. This is not a requirement...people do and don't partake of the Holy Sacrament for a variety of reasons. So, now I'm wondering...are Muslims permitted to take Holy Communion? As far as I know, Islam's view of Jesus is that he was a profit. | | | | | |
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spalladino (11857)
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2 years ago
| | LOL! That would probably be accurate...if he were Muslim, but clearly he's not. | | | |
jb78000 (3486)
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2 years ago
| | ok, we will probably get 'If Obama Was A Muslim He Would Not Be A Good One' follwed by what KIND of commie goes to church? folled by REAL buddhists don't eat meat. and i will bet you $2 that 'why did obama REALLY go to church' is already up. etc. to some people he will never be able to do anything right. | | | |
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jb78000 (3486)
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2 years ago
| | thanks for the br :) | | | |
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2. ronaldinu (9358)
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2 years ago
| | Hi Spalladino I am not much fan of politics, I am alien to the US scene so I cannot judge whether Obama is the right man with the right answers for US. However when it comes to religion I don't know why people are throwing mud at him regarding his Christian religion. He is a professed Christian. I have found this information about his religious past... There is not evidence that he was a muslim and even if he was....can#t people make their own choiceS? Documents viewed by the AP showed that students attending the Fransiskus Assisis Catholic school were registered under one of five different religions: Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Obama, then known as Barry, attended the school from 1st through 3rd grade as student 203. He later enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, a school incorrectly described by the Washington Times Insight magazine and Fox News as an Islamic madrassa. The Brown ad misses out key facts that cast a very different light on Obama's Muslim connections. At the Catholic school, he was required to participate in Catholic rituals and pray four times a day. Teachers quoted by the Chicago Tribune said that he was probably registered as a Muslim because this was the religion of his then-Indonesian step-father, Lolo Soetero. Like many Indonesians, Soetero was a rather lax Muslim who drank and did not abide by the strict tenets of the faith. http://voices.washingtonp... Barack Obama placed his hand on his personal Bible during his Senate swearing-in ceremony, which was conducted by Vice-President Cheney. http://urbanlegends.about... | | | | | | |
spalladino (11857)
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2 years ago
| | Hi ronald. Some people go to great lengths to disparage our president in any number of areas. The accusations that he is not a Christian but, in fact, a secret Muslim are designed to instill fear, suspicion and hatred for the man. They really have no interest in facts or the truth, which is why I don't expect any of those who partake of that kind of behavior here to respond to this discussion. But, they have read the truth now, haven't they? | | | |
ronaldinu (9358)
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2 years ago
| | I am not going to enter the debate whether Obama is doing a good job or if he is the right man for the job. That's not up to me to decide (since I am alien to US political scene). However the media players an important role in politics, they can spin people's opinion according to their own interest. I don't like the idea of character assassination. But the media does it for its own interest. | | | |
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spalladino (11857)
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2 years ago
| | No Hatley, you and I actually agree on many things and I find myself in the minority here more times than not. I have tried using logic in the face of these Muslim claims, reminding folks that Obama is a father and that no father would intentionally cause his child to be spiritually confused or ashamed, but logical thought often flies out the window when people are consumed by hate. Today I had the opportunity to present some stone cold proof that the president and the First Family are Christians, which is why I posted this discussion. I already know the answer to the question I asked. Islam considers Jesus Christ to be a profit and taking holy communion is something a Muslim would not do. | | | |
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jb78000 (3486)
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2 years ago
| | seriously, you might be onto something zeph. the people who say this are usually exceedingly intolerant fundamentalist christians. perhaps on some level they realise that their views have rather a lot in common with fundamentalist islam? | | | |
ZephyrSun (3727)
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2 years ago
| | It only makes sense that some people are so hung up on something that has yet to be proven. It's really sad that people can't move on. | | | |
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5. kennyrose (5047)
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2 years ago
| | It has never been a concern to me that Obama goes to church or he dose not go to church. Catholic Priest living with in the Catholic church the past 100 year's has sexually abused little boy's and the Catholic church protects these Catholic pedophiles. The pope and Catholic Bishops transfer these Catholic pedophiles from church to church where most often even more little boy's are sexually abused. The Bible teaches "Ye Shall Know Them By Their Fruits" Satan once was the chief of all the angels in heaven,he was known as the "Morning Star" due to Satan willful rebellion against God he(Satan) and a 1/3 of the angels was cast out of heaven,they all have been barred from ever returning to heaven,according to the word of God Almighty. Bottom line just because people live in or go to what is thought of as a holy place dose not really mean a heck of a lot. In my opinion Barack Obama is stuck between two different worlds this is why it is so important a president of the United States wholes no loyalties to another country. A United States president is requirement both parents be citizens of the United States for that very reason. To be the president of the united States one must be what is referred to as "Natural born citizen" Barack Jr's father Obama Sr was a British citizen giving Barack Jr only one parent being an American citizen. Illegals that give birth in the U.S.this U.S. Constitutional law dose not pertain to them,only to any one wishing to become the president of the United States. Obama was raised as a Muslim and steadied in Muslin counties he made that very plain in his first public message to the Muslim world after taking office. Barack Jr's father was a socialist Muslim and so was his step father,as Obama stated in his message to the Muslin world he understands them because all of his Kenya family are devote Muslims. Obama Jr is stuck between to countries that is the grave danger of a president having a duel citizenship. The DNC insisted John McCain prove his American citizenship which he did how ever Obama has not been cleared on this citizenship issue legally. because Obama has not went to church people in the United States has raised eyebrows,today Obama with his family went to a Christian church,dose that prove he is not Muslin,no not at all,dose it say Obama wants to look good to keep the lip's from moving,I do not know ~ Far as the Holy Sacrament defiling Catholic priest do this every Sunday,Nancy Pelois,Joe Biden as well,then they come to the white house and work very hard to get a bill pasted that will end human life in the womb,Go figure. | | | | | | |
spalladino (11857)
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2 years ago
| | Of course, rose, you've never shown any concern about Obama's religious faith. That wasn't you who posted just a day or two ago that he uses a prayer rug in the White House...it must have been someone with a very similar username. I don't expect you of all people to acknowledge that the President taking the Holy Sacrament in a Christian church today means anything because you are a sheep who is not interested in the truth. That's why you constantly throw your entire kettle of fish into just about every comment you make. This discussion has nothing to do with citizenship, who Obama's parents were, Catholic priests, Pelosi or Biden. What this discussion is about is something that you, and those like you, refuse to face. It's about the President, by his own actions, putting this "closet Muslim" bs to rest. While it's true that anyone can go to any house of worship, it's also true that a real Muslim would not have taken holy communion. Celebrating Jesus Christ as the Son of God, which is what holy communion does, goes against Islamic beliefs. No one would have batted an eye if the Obama's had remained in their seats, with their security personnel close by, and not taken it. But they did. They did because they are Christians...and you just can't stand it. | | | |
kennyrose (5047)
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2 years ago
| | I have never said a word about a prayer rug excuse me ~ it will very likely be a ratical Muslim that dose Obama harm if any one dose. I'm not a sheep excuse me,I see a man who dam sure is destroying my country and people that don't like me speaking out that is not my problem. Obama is nothing more then a liar and thief of other peoples money if that is okay with you that is your business but it is not okay with me,nor people that end a human life with in the womb and tie a red bow on it and call it their right. Bottom line a dam good place for Obama is in church. | | | |
spalladino (11857)
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2 years ago
| | Perhaps it was someone else who posted the "prayer rug" comment, rose, and if I'm mistaken I do apologize. There has been so much of this "Obama is a Muslim" garbage on this board that it's sometimes hard to keep track of. And it's time to put that to rest now. You constantly ask for proof of many things relating to the President. Well, you now have your proof. Do you really think that the Secret Service agents who were in that church, charged with protecting the First Family, were happy that they left the security of their pew to become moving targets? While they were standing in line with the other members of the congregation, while they were at the alter, while they were making their way back to their seats, they were not "secure". You can disagree with Obama all you like, you can be against any policy you like...I don't support everything he does...but, if you are capable of logical thought in any way, you cannot continue to sing the "Obama is a Muslim" song because he and his family received the Holy sacrament that signifies becoming one with the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ as the Son of God. Islam does not believe that about Him. They believe that Jesus was a simple prophet and to honor him as the Son of God is a serious infraction of their beliefs. | | | |
sid556 (18640)
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2 years ago
| | Wow, Rose. I actually ..wow. Rose..I am so not an Obama fan but your views are, well, something else. I can't find the right words so I'll just leave it at that. Wow!! | | | |
k15682 (169)
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2 years ago
| | KR, just to clarify one more time. The 14th amendment does NOT say both parents must be US citizens, what it DOES say is a natural born citizen in one who was born in the United States. This would mean President Obama is eligible to be President. You have such hatred for the man it makes one wonder what is the root cause of the hatred. | | | |
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spalladino (11857)
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2 years ago
| | Yes, it was a very positive thing for him to do, cream, and I'm happy that he and the First Family went. As I've already posted to some folks, the First Family would not have taken holy communion if they were Muslim because that goes against the beliefs of Islam. It's actually a pretty serious infraction for Muslims who do this from what I've read. | | | |
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8. sid556 (18640)
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2 years ago
| | Maybe he is just trying to be understanding to ALL religions? Don't know. I don't follow any religion but I have no problem going into any church and following their practices. I don't see a need to speculate anything here. I really don't care what God he chooses to follow or not follow. I only care about how he runs our country. | | | | | | |
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9. qamarep (4087)
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2 years ago
| | dont you think that if the person goes to the church for the sake of his fame .. then its not good if he goes there at all.. and if you dont believe he was a prophet then wait until he returns if he doesnt lift you you will know for your self other wise in your case he will be happy to leave all others down to burn. | | | | | | |
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10. machivado (476)
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2 years ago
| | Well..from my experience..that act is strictly forbidden from both religions. You can't take communion without being a Catholic first and have undergone another sacrament...This is just so wrong from both religion views. | | | | | | |
spalladino (11857)
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2 years ago
| | machivado, there are many Christian churches in the U.S. who celebrate the sacrament of Holy Communion. The First Family were in an Episcopal church, which is closely related to the Catholic church in both tradition and theology. I am Catholic but I also attend a Methodist church in my community which also offers it. The Obamas were members of a church in Chicago for about 20 years which is an offshoot of the United Church of Christ...another church which traditionally offers this sacrament. Holy Communion is not limited to Catholics alone. | | | |
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