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myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics 2 years ago

Just a thought.... I have notice that many people would like to see Obama impeached but do not want Joe Biden to become president. So my question to you all is Biden Obama's political safety net? Do you think things would be different if we had a different Veep?

 

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1. myLot reputation of 95/100. quita88 (1605)   ranked 1,056 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

I know what you are saying and most likely you are right.
The only thing I can really say, is get rid of our BIG problem, OBAMA and we'll take our chances...............
quita


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

I agree! I really don't think anyone can be as devious and bad for America as Obama feeling sick.
thumbupSo I also say let's take our chances!cheering


myLot reputation of 57/100. thegreatdebater (1830)   ranked 333 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

LOL, where were you during the Bush years??????


myLot reputation of 95/100. quita88 (1605)   ranked 1,056 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Ok, WHITEHEATHER...........You are soooo right about the deviousness of Obama and our wonderful America. He's ruining our precious world.
You bet! We'll take our chances.........I can't see we have any more to lose do you?



myLot reputation of 95/100. quita88 (1605)   ranked 1,056 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Now to THEGREATDEBAtER...............I was here dawlin' I'm 61 and counting LOL
I'm seen a bunch come and go and I have always kept my big trap shut on Presidents but this one has me by the "you know whats" and I have to let my voice be heard.


myLot reputation of 57/100. thegreatdebater (1830)   ranked 333 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Quita, you have ever right to say how you feel, as do I. My comment was point more to White, and I should have stated that. I still feel that put all of this Obama is not right, we all have to understand that it took the country 6 years to recover from the Reagan recession, it took 3 years to recover from the Clinton recession. We all know that the Bush repression was much worse than both of these recessions COMBINED.


myLot reputation of 95/100. quita88 (1605)   ranked 1,056 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Not all mistakes were made by Obama but to blame others constantly is not right either.
I do not like Obama, never will and feel we are in deep trouble with him in office.
I also know as you have pointed out other former presidents have had their hand in our US problems now.
Truth is, it is us the citizens who should be taking care of these mistakes and put an end to them all.
That is what is called "the power of the people"............that means you and me and all other citizens.
We should all vote and rise up and take hold of our country but we can't do that if all Americans are desperate for change and a change that is taking us down.
Get rid of Obama and we will have to take our chances to see what kind of administration we will end up with. We will have at least gotten rid of Obama.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

....TGD...My comment was point more to White. I was also here and I am 71 still counting. Like quita88 I have seen a bunch come and go. I also kept my mouth shut and was a staunch Democrat until Ibn Barack Hussein Obama appeared on the presidential campaign. That the Democratic party was so stupid to have this man as their nominee for president completely disillusioned me. After a year and a half of blaming Bush for every bad thing in the USA I did think that the new president would correct at least some of the errors...but NO instead this person who is completely shrouded in a veil of secrecy has only made matters worse!


myLot reputation of 57/100. thegreatdebater (1830)   ranked 333 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Quita, from reading your response it sounds like you want change for the sake of change. I have heard many conservatives complain about liberals that voted for Obama because they wanted change. Getting rid of Obama won't solve our problems, just like getting rid of Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr...... didn't solve our problems. You are correct that we need to stand up, but the problem is that we can't agree on what to stand up for. There actually some that want to go back to the original constitution, and end all amendments. I don't think I have to tell you how stupid that would be, seeing how over half of the country wouldn't have the right to vote. I understand you are not happy with Obama, but you have to look at what you want, and replacing him won't change anything.


myLot reputation of 57/100. thegreatdebater (1830)   ranked 333 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

White, one of the reasons that presidents blame the last guy is because you can do so much damage that takes years to take effect. The first four years of the Bush administration were the same. One of the other problems is that we as Americans want someone to blame for all of our problems, and it CAN'T be US!!!!! I ask you who YOU think could do a better job of running the country, and would YOU take time out of your day to work for them. I worked for Obama's campaign, and I do support him, but I don't support the system that we have. I have been telling people for years that we need to get the money out of politics, and NO ONE will listen. Even the supreme court disagrees with me, and yet we all complain about all of the money flowing into Washington, and see all of these Millionaires leave office and can't understand how this happens. Our elections system is screwed up, but we all need to stand up UNITED to fix it, because both parties are more than happy to continue making millions off of us.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

thegreatdebator. I agree 100% that within our government (both parties) money is very definitely the root of all evil. It seems that most of the politicians do not give a damn about the American people. They are so obviously self-serving I am not really sure if there are any of them left who love their country more than themselves.
I was in Europe when Kennedy said at his inaugural speech "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country" I will never forget these words. I just wish that our government would remember them today almost 50 years later.


myLot reputation of 57/100. thegreatdebater (1830)   ranked 333 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

It is time that we remind them. I do think there are a few there that are trying to make a difference, but they are silent voices in a sea of loud worthless pieces of crap. I do think that the best way to fix our system is to have the government give everyone running for office a set amount of money, and air time on TV, along with Newspaper Ads (who would get tax breaks for this instead of hundreds of millions of dollars). No more private donations, no more outside groups spending millions to push their agenda. Just let the people have equal say, and let the best person win!!!


myLot reputation of 95/100. quita88 (1605)   ranked 1,056 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

AMEN WHITEHEATHER ! Couldn't have said it better myself !


myLot reputation of 95/100. quita88 (1605)   ranked 1,056 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

I doubt the best person will win..........I do thank whiteheather for bringing out Kennedy's inaugural speech... what a great day that was !

"Ask not what what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country"
Greatest words ever spoken.

Funny how politicians can make laws that will effect their own children and grandchildren and on and on.

I wonder if they think about how a bill or a law will effect the lives of their own flesh?
I am not political minded. I love my country tho and have a disabled Viet Nam Veteran as a husband and have seen the ill effects of war and also the effects on ME cuz of our political mistakes.

I am speaking from the heart now when I say I've watched our government screw up hundreds of thousands of American lives. Men have died or are maimed due to the horrors of war. Men who could have a normal life with children and grandchildren are now scorned to being paraplegics or mentally ill.
I beg each of you to go to your nearest VA and sit and watch our veterans who are disabled and have not had the opportunities to have a life as they should have due to the traumas of war.
They chose instead to follow their upbringing, their hearts and give their lives to the US of A cuz that is what MEN do.......

Never mind a politician is sitting all snug and fat behind his desk with his feet propped up enjoying AC, a good meal, a bed to sleep in and all the while American soldiers are dug into fox holes and begging for death rather than endure another round of enemy fire.
It doesn't matter who the president is. What matters is how our president treats our soldiers. At least in my book.
As you know , Obama has not been the Commander in Chief he should be. He defiles our soldiers.
God grant us the serenity to to change what we can...........
Now, ask me again about the mistakes of a president..........

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2. myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 90 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

I think this has been the role of the VP for a while. People that didnt like Bush certainly wouldnt kill him, then there would have been Cheney. He shoots back! lmao!rofl


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

I forgot about Cheney!!!rofl


myLot reputation of 86/100. laglen (7665)   ranked 90 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

What?? Who could forget him! he is my hero. I would vote for him in a heartbeat!

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3. myLot reputation of 99/100. GardenGerty (35287)   2 years ago

It may be disbelief that is saving Obama. People do not believe that things are this bad and going to get worse. And apathy, we want something done, but do not want to take the action that is required.

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4. myLot reputation of 79/100. Rollo1 (2827)   ranked 89 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

The reason people feel this way about Biden, a formerly respected Senator of some experience, is the way he has been perceived as buffoon since he became VP. However, let's face it, many of those "gaffes" came about because what he said was embarrassingly true and NOT the official WH line. Sure, he's proved he's inept as far as saying the politically-approved thing, but what the heck? Maybe he's smart enough to know that he doesn't know a lot about many things and would actually listen to someone else - like an expert advisor, or even the American people?

The reason that he could not do worse, no matter how many mistakes he made, is simple: this is Obama's agenda, not his. A man, given his head, will go his own way and choose his own path. A VP must support the agenda of his President. A President can set his own agenda. Biden's agenda might be quite liberal, but never in the past has he shown a tendency to the very far left ideas being put forth by this administration.

I say we go for it. Let ol' Joe have his day in the sun.

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5. myLot reputation of 96/100. Lakota12 (23197)   ranked 122 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

HAdnt thought about that one and it ery well could be maybe the Dems cant control; Biden the way they waqnt too

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6. myLot reputation of 73/100. bobmnu (4807)   ranked 224 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

The House of Representatives (under the control of Speaker Pelosi) must draft the Article of Impeachment. Once President Obama is impeached, and convicted by the US Senate, VEP Biden becomes President Pelosi is just a heart beat away from being President until the Senate can approve a new VP. What if VP Biden is implicated in the impeachment charges and is also impeached and convicted next in line is Speaker Pelosi. That is a real nightmare that I do not even want to think about.


myLot reputation of 57/100. thegreatdebater (1830)   ranked 333 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Bob, can you think of anything Obama has done to be impeached??????


myLot reputation of 59/100. bestboy19 (2451)   ranked 634 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Great,
There are three reasons to impeach a president, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Under high crimes is abuse of power. The health care bill is the biggest abuse of power and demonstration of arrogance ever shown. The most disgraceful premise of this bill uses the U.S. tax code to legislate a liberal value. Forcing people to buy insurance is unprecedented. Our government has taxed us for what we buy (i.e.: tobacco) but they have never taxed us on what we don’t buy. Andrea Tantaros

What about treason? The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort.

Arizona is fighting a battle against illegal Mexican immigrants. The federal government has laws against illegal immigration. Obama is trying to help the illegals not the state of Arizona. That's giving the enemy aid.

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What about bribery? We now know all about the secret deals for the health care bill: the Cornhusker Kickback, The Gator Aid and the Louisiana Purchase that use taxpayer money that our country doesn’t have to bribe lawmakers for their votes. Andrea Tantaros

It looks to me as though Obama has done it all.

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7. myLot reputation of 84/100. milkmaid (375)   2 years ago

No, I don't think he is Obama's safety net. I don't think Obama has committed an impeachable offense, either. He has to have actually committed one of the few impeachable crimes, and there is no evidence that he has; we don't just impeach officials because we don't like them, or their ideas. If that was the case, I doubt the majority of presidents would have gotten past the first year.

That's like asking if Palin is the reason we have a President Obama, and not a President McCain.

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8. myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

Are you suggesting that honorable, upstanding members of congress would intentionally overlook impeachable offenses simply because they didn't want Biden to be the president? I'm not buying that one for a minute. rolleyes


myLot reputation of 57/100. thegreatdebater (1830)   ranked 333 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Maybe that is why Bush wasn't impeached. Lord knows if the democrats would have spent the same amount as republicans did investigating Clinton, Bush would have been the latest impeached president.


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

I just find it impossible to believe that, with something as important as the eligibility of a president to hold office, not one member of congress would bring a call for impeachment to the floor so that the legislature could get to the bottom of it. My theory is that they have already seen the evidence and even the Republicans who can't stand him are satisfied that he was born in Hawaii.

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9. myLot reputation of 57/100. thegreatdebater (1830)   ranked 333 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

What has Obama done to be impeached? If you would have went with the assassinated theory I might have agreed with you. But, Joe Biden isn't Dan Quayle, or D!ck Cheney, both of which could have destroyed this country (D!ck did a great job of destroying the country as VP, we are all just lucky he never had ALL the power!!).


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Actually I think assassination is much more feasible than impeachment. I did not want to temp fate by even mentioning the word. I really do not wish death on him just because, he is a egotistical, narcissistic, phony who is only play acting/pretending to be a real president. I'm still curious as to who writes his script and provides his daily "TO-DO LIST"


myLot reputation of 57/100. thegreatdebater (1830)   ranked 333 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

White, you can call Obama what you want, but see my response above. I understand your anger at Obama, I use to say the same thing about Bush.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

I was a Democrat during the Bush years but Obama, Reid and Pelosi have so disgusted me that they have destroyed my faith in the Democratic Party.
I also commented to you at Response #1.


myLot reputation of 57/100. thegreatdebater (1830)   ranked 333 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

White, I understand how you feel, but I do have more faith in Obama than anyone from the republican party. I do like Ron Paul, but it would be almost impossible for him to run for president, and keep his independent ideas in the forefront of the race. I think he should ditch the RNC, and bring all of the third parties together under one roof, and fight against both parties. This countries needs another party that isn't so entrenched in the system that it can't see the trees from the forest.

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10. myLot reputation of 31/100. epicure35 (1463)   ranked 1,156 out of 3,984 in politics   2 years ago

Your thought is quite cogent. The evil usurper Obama needs to be removed at all cost. As for the dimwitted Biden, he may not necessarily ascend to the role of president since this is an unconstitutional, illegal presidency. A mandatory election might be deemed necessary for so many valid reasons. Among them is the fact that the DNC certification of their candidates did not include the necessary phrase "is eligible under the provisions of the Constitution" for the team of Obama-Biden in 49 of the 50 states (only HI got the exact same form with the phrase included, strange bedfellows).
Additionally, the various Secretaries of State failed to properly address this issue and call for proper vetting, as is their duty. Nancy Pelosi and the evil O should immediately be tried for treason, among other things. Biden must know that O is illegal as well. Most of congress and our courts do, yet they haven't an honest bone or a spine amongst them. Your idea of 'SAY IT AIN'T SO JOE" and the prospect of his absolute ineptitude as a leader is a point well taken, but in this instance of the greatest treason and sedition in US history, I don't know if any other VP would generate a different outcome re impeachment. The nightmare continues.......


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

There is no provision in the Constitution to invalidate an election so the mandatory election that you envision does not exist. Obama was sworn in as president, the only way to remove him from office IS the impeachment process which would focus entirely on Obama...no one else. If he were impeached Biden would become the president. You say that Biden "must know that O is illegal" but that would need to be proven through a separate judicial process and, in the meantime, someone would fill the vacancy he left in the office of the Vice President. If Biden were found guilty and impeached as well that person would become president. This is how our government works...this is how important offices (like the Vice President) are not left vacant.


myLot reputation of 31/100. epicure35 (1463)   ranked 1,156 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Spalladino, I'm not sure that an illegal, unconstitutional ururping "president" even has to be impeached, just removed. Biden might temporarily act as president in the event of O's removal, but I'm not so sure that a new election process would not be forthcoming in face of treason, sedition, hoax, illegal candidacy, etc.


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

You might want to do some research then because that's how it is. Obama was sworn in as president...he is the president regardless of whether his candidacy was illegal or not. The ONLY option for removing him from office is if he is impeached and the grounds would be election fraud, not treason. The first thing Biden would do as president is to recommend someone to replace him as Vice President because that office cannot be left vacant. Congress would approve his choice unless there was a strong reason not to and, if that were the case, another candidate would be offered. You can search high and low and you will not find anything in the constitution or the amendments to it that address a special election to replace a sitting president. The transfer of power in this country is specific for a reason.


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Let me add this as well for you to consider. Elections are expensive for the states. The candidates would have to campaign and where would they come from? This is not something that can be done in a few months and the states would balk at having to incur the expense when the impeachment process is already in place.


myLot reputation of 31/100. epicure35 (1463)   ranked 1,156 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Spalladino, thanks for the info. Frankly, I don't care how or what terms are used to remove this monster, arrogant usurper. Whatever "details" there are, so be it.
However, NOTHING like this has happened in this country in EVER, so perhaps, it's a new ballgame of sorts. Obama is, in fact, in no way a sitting "president". He has no claim to that office. This is not simple "election fraud", though that went on as well; this is high treason and a crime against our Constitution, our bedrock of freedom and protection. And "you, the people", wonder why the monster deliberately is leaving us unprotected at every level!!!

You say "the transfer of power in this country is specific for a reason" - Well, the Constitution is specific for a reason and that is so a horror like this WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Only a Natural Born citizen may EVER Legally be president. The fact that we have junk criminals that murdered, threatened, and intimidated their way around it and underhanded, greedy politicians and officials who refuse to uphold their duty to the constitution is one facet of why this deception is allowed to continue. The fact that American citizens choose to be blind a la "The Emperor Has No Clothes", rather than outraged and taking rightful legal and constitutional action against them is astounding. I guess it's just easier to believe the lie. But, oh, what a price we pay!


myLot reputation of 31/100. epicure35 (1463)   ranked 1,156 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

And, isn't it just great that our elections so revolve around money and phony, coached, teleprompter "charisma" Hollywood-like rather than character and no one who is a real "man of the people" can even afford to throw his hat in the ring. So, we get what we got. A monster traitor backed by the huge flow dirty money of Soros, Arab potentates, criminal creeps of all sorts, idiot Hollywood types, and Oprah Winfrey, American billionaire and traitor, not to mention fools who are easily bought and victimized by deception and "lead away by their own lusts".

America-haters of all persuasions plus the love of money (that's greed) plus apathetic, complacent, self-destructive, foolish and ungrateful "victims" equals this recipe for disaster.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

epicure 35 IMO Obama has been groomed for years to achieve the role of president. My big question is who writes his script and prepares his daily "To Do List as President". Obama is personable and a convincing orator but could never have pulled off such scam on his his own. It takes big money and power to perpetuate a hoax of this magnitude on the American people.

BTW your response and subsequent comments are definitely worthy of Best Response!cheering


myLot reputation of 31/100. epicure35 (1463)   ranked 1,156 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Whiteheather, I do not know who writes this imposter's scripts. There are so many hidden America-haters who pull the strings. Based on the conjecture that Bill Ayers wrote O's books, perhaps he has a hand. Major puppeteer, George Soros,may have a hand, directly or indirectly, as could so many other arch America-haters.
Anyone could be "for hire" and easily bought and sold for the right price.
It could also be the likes of Henry Kissinger, Bill Gates, Oprah Winfrey, and/or any other NWO billionaire creep who is intent on the taking down of America. Be assured that this is the ONLY intent of Obama himself, and his horrid wife.

Now, I must disagree that Obama is a "personable and convincing orator". The use of the word "orator" re Obama is totally misplaced and way above his "pay grade". This is not JUST because he cannot even read a teleprompter convincingly, but also because his words have neither life nor truth in them. His droning Arab-cadenced staccato is the sound of death. It represents ONLY deception and insincerity. The ONLY genuine thing about him is that he is a full on liar, filled with hatred of America.

You will also evidence no emotion nor caring about us or our country, not a genuine concern at all, since his mission is annhialation of all things America.
Because our nation has been so "dumbed down" by our corrupted schools(courtesy also Bill Ayers and the U of Chicago, among others)Americans can barely speak their own language, so they think anyone who can somehow put two words together or "read" a teleprompter is a "dynamic" speaker, even if his words are simply doublespeak and have NO actual meaning.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

I must also add that his tone or style is so supercilious I feel he thinks he is talking to a bunch of illiterates. Not all of us were dumb enough to vote for him.I cannot stand to hear or watch him, I have to change the channel,


myLot reputation of 31/100. epicure35 (1463)   ranked 1,156 out of 3,984 in politics  2 years ago

Whiteheather, I'm with you on "supercilious". He is so arrogant it's nauseating. I've never heard so much less than zero come out of anyone's mouth. He is the illiterate. From the first I laid eyes on him, I felt sickened by evil. I, too, must turn the channel whenever he appears.

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