Conservatives interesting love affair with the military

@gewcew23 (8007)
United States
October 6, 2010 2:37pm CST
Conservative sure do love telling everyone how they and they alone love the military yet why? Conservative support for the military is really a contradiction and here's why, Conservatives want to cut spending, cut taxes, stop wealth redistribution and yet the military is all of those. The military is funded by spending which is funded by taxes which is taken from one person and giving it to someone else, the definition of wealth redistribution. Military personal receive government provide taxpayer funded health care and college education. Now I thought that the universal health care and college education was SOCIALISM! Military personal are government employees but not just any government employees but federal government employees. Military personal gets to use arms that you are denied. Can you buy a M16, no but they get to walk around with them and here is the kicker you paid for it. Come on lets have some 2nd amendment outrage. Then conservatives love to talk about how religious they are and how moral they are yet really how is the military in line with your religious beliefs? The vast majority of American conservatives are Christian how about that whole love your neighbor, love your enemy, do kind to those that do evil to you, live by the sword die by the sword and etc. Come on are we not a Christian nation, lets act like Christ.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
7 Oct 10
We can't love our neighbor if they aren't just like us. You know that they have to be straight and go to the same kind of church we do. Didn't you know that Jesus walked past all of the nowadays liberals and told them to go die?
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
7 Oct 10
We are all equal except some are more equal than others.
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• United States
7 Oct 10
Actually they are treated less equal than the rest of us. The government is not telling the rest of us how much we can weight...or how long our hair can be, what we can wear, where we live, what time to get up in the morning, what we eat. They really get micromanaged. We as private citizens have more freedoms than they do.
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• United States
7 Oct 10
Sorry. I misunderstood. I agree with you both. The religious right drives me nuts. They want to be dictators and dictate how everyone else lives and what they believe. It is not just the gays they are that way about...anyone who does not believe like they do is "not as equal" as they are. Or so they think.
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@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
6 Oct 10
The military is one of the legitimate entities as defined by the US Constitution. It serves a very important purpose. The military isn't entirely a socialist institution. Two reasons why, our Military is Voluntary and the second is you have the option to leave. If the military is against Your religious beliefs, then don't join. They will still protect you. That is a very weak argument. It is up to the individual to decide for themselves. You don't have that choice in a pure Socialist society. The government dictates your beliefs and if it says war, you go to war. That being said, the military pays you for working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. If you really did the math, the pay rate per hour is way below minimum wage. Thus, the government has to offer benefits to get people to join just like companies offer to employees to recruit them or to keep them. If they are risking their lives for their jobs, their employer most certainly should compensate them and their families for their service. Not many people can actually afford to buy an M16. They are very expensive weapons. It is not true that only military personal have M16s, many collectors have them in their collection. In addition, it is not like the Military "strut" around here carrying their weapons unless they are on duty on a Military base. You know your exaggerated statements have some real fantasy interwoven in. You rant against the military but never realize that is a necessary part of our country's survival.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
7 Oct 10
Constitutional build road is a federal governments role so we should place road constructions work on the same pedistal as the military? Also the census is a constitutional role of the federal government place them on the same pedistal. You rant against every other fuction of government but you never realize that is a necessary part of our country's survival.
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• United States
7 Oct 10
The government contracts out those jobs to private companies. The private companies are completely responsible for the benefits of their employees. The Census is a temporary job that happens once every 10 years. A temporary job that lasts a couple of months at most. Neither job requires someone to be on duty 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with very little time off. Neither do they promise a sacrificial way of living, the toll that is taken on families, the impending knowledge that you could die for your job, or the heavy weight of responsibility for the safety of the country and your fellow soldiers. It is ludicrous to compare contracted out road construction and a job that appears once every 10 years to the military just because they are mentioned in the Constitution. In the most simplistic terms, without the military, we have no country.
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• United States
7 Oct 10
"In the most simplistic terms, without the military, we have no country" That is what it boils down to...no military....no country.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
8 Oct 10
They sure do talk a good game, don't they, but didn't they block funding for body armor and armor for the troops' humvees (sp) not so long ago? And aren't they all for "independent contractors", like Blackwater and Haliburton, to do things like electrical work and who cares if some of our soldiers get electrocuted? That's incredible, someone puts his life on the line in battle only to die taking a shower! The Religious Right doesn't like it too much when someone plays the "What Would Jesus Do?" card on them. I guess I should also mention that they don't favor this socialism or redistribution of wealth for those pesky gays or for illegal immigrants who came here as children with their parents when they had no control over their "criminal" behavior! Annie
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
8 Oct 10
Annie I just wanted to say thank you for defending me. At lest a few of you understand what I am getting at.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
9 Oct 10
Gewcew, believe me, no thanks are necessary! I just can't believe that anyone who knows you at all from here would think you were somehow "dissing" our troops. Along with all their other unique traits, conservatives also have way of "selective interpretation" - if that makes any sense - of what others say. Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
7 Oct 10
So in your world the people who fight and die to protect our country are the same as those who collect welfare checks? The level of ignorance you show in your post just guarantees that you are fully incapable of understanding the sacrifice they make. You also don't seem to understand the difference between "universal healthcare" and healthcare provided as a benefit of employment. It's sad that you used to actually start intelligent discussions. Now you just plaster ignorance on the forum to insult people. I guess that must bring you some level of pleasure.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
8 Oct 10
What's sad, Taskr, is that you really don't get what gewcew is trying to say at all. You're just so quick to insult her as well as throw in some digs at "welfare queens".As I see it she was simply throwing the far-right fringe wackos brand of reasoning back at 'em. Annie
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
7 Oct 10
Have you ever thought that maybe she got sick of the extreme judgment passed down the "right" wings? The holier than thou attitude does get annoying after some time. I use to vote for Republicans but, the more I paid attention to politics the more I realized just how hateful and judgmental they are. They tout their party of family values yet, they can't keep their d1cks out of women that aren't their wife and some times it's even men they can't keep their hands off of. I find it very ironic that you are saying she is insulting people because you insult people all the time.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
7 Oct 10
I didn't get that from this discussion. What I got was someone comparing the military to socialism. Which if one could stop thinking like a conservative they would see it. Because the military is not a job, they can't quit until they are told they can quit. If one believes that someone can enlist in the military and just quit they are sadly mistaken. My cousin tried to retire after 30 years in the military and he was told he could not, that was after his retirement was approved.
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@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
6 Oct 10
I think the important point missing from your description of the Military is that maintaining an armed force for the defense of the country is one of the few things that the federal government is actually supposed to do per the Constitution. Many of the things being done by the federal government these days are definitely not within its scope of duties or powers and yet... well, we have government trying to take over healthcare and running car companies. It might be easier to understand why a soldier gets to walk around with an M16 and you don't if you look at the opinion of the Supreme Court in PARKER v. LEVY, 417 U.S. 733 (1974): "This Court has long recognized that the military is, by necessity, a specialized society separate from civilian society. We have also recognized that the military has, again by necessity, developed laws and traditions of its own during its long history." So, laws regarding civilian society and military society may vary. The federal government has a duty per the Constitution to provide for the common defense and clauses in the Constitution provide the power to raise and maintain armies necessary to do so. Maintaining armies definitely involves housing and feeding and clothing them, it might even necessarily include educating them. Taxes levied and used to actually perform the duties assigned to the federal government is not wealth redistribution. That's not a religious issue either, that's a Constitutional issue. Politically, I am not a Christian. There are no politics of religion. I am a Constitutionalist. Our country slips further and further from the intent of the founding fathers, to our detriment. A return to the Constitution would put our government back doing its duty and not interfering with the privates lives of its citizens.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
7 Oct 10
The military is Constitutional so is building road and delivering the mail.
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@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
7 Oct 10
Now the discussion is about roads and post offices? I must have read the whole thing wrong, because I could have sworn you compared the military to redistribution of wealth and impugned the sincerity of Christians who support the US military. Thomas Jefferson was completely opposed to Madison's idea of federal funding and oversight of post roads and wanted it to stay at the state level. I don't intend to continue down the post road with you, that's just an interesting aside to follow your tangent.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
6 Oct 10
That's one way to look at it. Me, I see America's military as performing a service. They're working; they're not any sort of welfare recipients. Beyond that, I'm shutting my mouth about America's military. These brave men and women put their lives on the line constantly. I won't use them to make a dig at a political party. There are plenty of other things to use to play that pointless game.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
6 Oct 10
I am just trying to make a point and really to me nothing is off limit, I don't believe in these sacred cows. You bring up working then what is the difference between the military and any of federal government employee. All government employees provide a service why is it that the service that the military provides is some how more honorable than any other service a government employee provides?
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
6 Oct 10
That's kind of wrong there are thing off limit but the military isn't one of those when it comes to me.
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• United States
6 Oct 10
Well... it's your world. I'm just living in it. And if you have to ask why the service a military person provides is more honorable, then no answer would ever be suitable.
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