How would you deal with this family drama?

@TheHorse (238361)
Walnut Creek, California
September 18, 2016 3:45pm CST
A friend's nephew, in his late 20s, appears to have become delusional, and it's affecting his whole family. Or maybe he's just a compulsive liar. But it's still affecting his whole family. When his cousin, a young woman of about 20, got into UC Berkeley, he suddenly claimed to have gotten into Stanford Graduate School, in Physics, based on a paper he wrote at a Community College. I read the paper, and it was drivel. Recently, his father died. He claimed that a "huge grant" he'd gotten at Stanford would save his mother's house. When no money appeared, he blamed his cousin, the one who had gotten in to UC Berkeley. He said she was on a terrorist watch list, and that this had cost him his grant at Stanford, or something along those lines. His mother is in denial. She believes his whole story. My friend (the brother of both mothers involved) and his wife know it's BS, but don't know whether to intervene. The mother of the UC Berkeley young woman, and sister of the lying young man's mother, doesn't know what to do. Everyone is afraid to confront the young man's mother, because she's still grieving the loss of her husband. Many tears have been shed. I have been shown some of the "acceptance letters" and "recommendations" the young man ostensibly received from Stanford. They read like something cut and pasted from the internet and "tweaked" by Community College student who lacks writing skills (because that's what they are). Obviously, an intervention is necessary. But who should do it? Note: The photo is of a broken corner I'm fixing on a pair of JBL L-100s. Fixing a broken corner is easy. Fixing broken families is hard.
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@CinnamonGrl (7086)
• Santa Fe, New Mexico
18 Sep 16
Wow. What a terrible situation.You would almost have to know the dynamics of his mother's interpersonal relationships with everyone to answer that question. Someone very close to her should talk to her, but the timing is so awful. I feel for this family. Wish I had a decent answer. Maybe someone needs to talk to HIM and convince him to get help.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
18 Sep 16
She doesn't have much education, has few friends, and isn't in a position to challenge her son's BS. She wants to believe it, so she does.
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@NJChicaa (127175)
• United States
18 Sep 16
I agree. Someone should try talking to HIM first
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
18 Sep 16
@NJChicaa When he claimed he was collaborating with a famous rock guitarist on a project, I asked him to play some blues with me on guitar. He could not. When I asked him a simple physics question (my first major was Physics) he couldn't not answer it. I think he knows that I know that he's full of BS, but I don't know that anyone has confronted him directly and said: "You have to stop this! Get help!"
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@teamfreak16 (43655)
• Denver, Colorado
18 Sep 16
Isn't an intervention everyone who cares? I guess anyone could organize it if the mom is unable.
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@amadeo (111937)
• United States
18 Sep 16
Help is the answer there.Need plenty.I am glad not to be involved in all of this drama.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Sep 16
Maybe several people at once would be best.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Sep 16
@amadeo You mean as in psychological help for the "kid"? If so, I agree.
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@celticeagle (189988)
• Boise, Idaho
19 Sep 16
Mother's can be so pathetic in these type of situations. Who should do the intervention? The one who feels the most strongly about all of this. Someone who loves him and has a good rapore with him. And, someone that has the tact to carry it off.
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@celticeagle (189988)
• Boise, Idaho
19 Sep 16
@TheHorse ....That is sad. Maybe a meeting of the relatives and friends and see how to go forward.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Sep 16
Like a narcissist, he has good rapport only with those who believe his story. Basically, that mens he's psychologically isolated.
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@Jessicalynnt (50523)
• Centralia, Missouri
19 Sep 16
that's a hard one! and I am sure you are better equipped to figure out what to do than I
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• Centralia, Missouri
20 Sep 16
@TheHorse I would guess going in with plans and proof, because it may take proving this to the enablers to make this actually do something
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
20 Sep 16
It's a hard one indeed. Someone has to bite the bullet and confront him.
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@Morleyhunt (21741)
• Canada
19 Sep 16
Is there a clergyman or social worker who might be able to intercede. Family situations can be so tricky. I know. I'm in the middle of one. Afraid to rock the boat, but maybe it will all fall into place soon.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
20 Sep 16
Alas, I don't think they go to any religious services.
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@Morleyhunt (21741)
• Canada
21 Sep 16
@TheHorse it was an idea.
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@JudyEv (382542)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 Sep 16
What an awful situation. There are lots of suggestions below and I don't have anything to add to those. It's hard to come up with anything that would work.
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@DaddyEvil (174708)
• United States
21 Sep 16
@JudyEv Hmmm.... I'm going to assume that you are Judy? It is really difficult to see you hiding at the bottom of the picture like that and wearing a cap/hat, to boot! It is an interesting avatar, but if I may say so, I much preferred the one I could see and recognize you in. (That is just my opinion, of course. I am not always happy with change.) Sorry if what I said bothers you, hon. It isn't intended to bother you.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Sep 16
Yeah, its a frustrating situation for everyone I know in the family.
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@JudyEv (382542)
• Rockingham, Australia
30 Sep 16
@DaddyEvil It doesn't bother me at all :) If you really want to see my face, you can always visit the profile page and the whole thing shows. You only need to see it once. I might crop a bit off the top and repost - just for you.
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@marguicha (230365)
• Chile
18 Sep 16
I would run away from him instead of confronting him. He might be dangerous.
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@marguicha (230365)
• Chile
18 Sep 16
@TheHorse That´s what I meant.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Sep 16
@marguicha Yeah, he's been pretty brutal to her.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
18 Sep 16
We've told his young cousin to stay away from him. I don't see him as a physical threat, but he's already caused considerable psychological damage within the family.
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@crossbones27 (53005)
• Mojave, California
19 Sep 16
Kind of sounds like a con artist. I have no answers to this one.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
20 Sep 16
That's what he's turned into. But he doesn't make any money for his lies.
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• Mojave, California
20 Sep 16
@TheHorse Not yet anyways. Sad to say, probably will finds many ways to exploit people in the future from the sound of things.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
20 Sep 16
@crossbones27 He might. I feel like he's looking for validation. But it's the kind he'll never really get living in a world of deception. Or could he be crying out for help? Could he WANT to get "busted"?
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@SIMPLYD (90717)
• Philippines
19 Sep 16
It's a hard situation . But maybe at this point in time , somebody close to the family like the grandparents should intervene and do something that can help the young son . He could be having psychological problem .
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@SIMPLYD (90717)
• Philippines
20 Sep 16
@TheHorse It's a difficult situation then , for the whole clan .
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Sep 16
I think it is safe to say he's having psychological problems. Sadly, the only remaining Grandparent is his mother's mother, and she's 93. She has all of her marbles (like my 93-year-old Auntie), but both sides of the family are (for the most part) trying to protect her from the conflict.
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@LadyDuck (502812)
• Italy
19 Sep 16
First thing to do is to prevent your cousin to stay away from him, because he seems dangerous. I know that sometimes the mothers believe everything they sons say. This is a difficult moment for this Mom, how to tell her that his son is not only a liar but a dangerous man? It's hard to reply to your question.
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@LadyDuck (502812)
• Italy
19 Sep 16
@TheHorse I think he can eventually inflict physical harm, if he feels that he is cornered and not trusted anymore.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Sep 16
Dangerous in what sense? I can't see him doing physical harm, but he's already inflicted a lot of emotional harm.
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@jaboUK (64346)
• United Kingdom
19 Sep 16
I think they have to sort it out within the family - I would have thought the mother's sister would possibly be the best one to do it.
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@jaboUK (64346)
• United Kingdom
19 Sep 16
@TheHorse It's a difficult situation for sure.
@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Sep 16
She's not sure how to do to without having her sister sever their relationship. Or having her sister's son come up with more bogus stuff about her daughter.
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@Drosophila (16568)
• Ireland
18 Sep 16
First of all he needs professional help, his state might deteriorate if untreated. Has anyone confronted him? And ask him to seek help? The mother case is simple, a simple phone call to Stanford admissions would solve the matter
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@Drosophila (16568)
• Ireland
19 Sep 16
@TheHorse why not? If the parent call up and ask when would her son start term, surely they'd say so, not exactly confidential information. Someone need to talk to guy directly, instead of beating around the bush
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Sep 16
Would Stanford Admissions reveal that kind of information? The young man is a legal adult.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Sep 16
I don't know if anyone within the family has confronted him directly.
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@msiduri (5687)
• United States
19 Sep 16
I know you do (or did) counseling. Could you possibly put one of the family members in contact with someone who could arrange an intervention or take whatever action they deem best? Someone who is not friends with the family, that is? I've seen this kind of manipulative behavior/willfully ignorant and dependent before. In my dark view of humanity, I see the mother losing her home, if not more. The son will blame it on some outside force and then he'll disappear and find another mark. Since you asked for advice.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Sep 16
You're so right that it has to be someone not involved. I can't serve as "mediator," as I know the family. I could recommend someone, but I still don't know who in the family would take the initiative.
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@msiduri (5687)
• United States
19 Sep 16
@TheHorse It 's a Gordian knot. I wish all concerned the best.
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@cindiowens (5120)
• North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
18 Sep 16
It sounds like he is having an identity crisis, and possibly some self esteem issues. However, since he is not your family, I think you should steer clear of giving advice, and instead, support your friend in any decisions made. Friendships have ended over much less.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
18 Sep 16
Agreed. That's pretty much what I do. I support my friends.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Sep 16
broken families oh my thats really complicated perhaps an unbiased friend of both families can intervene as the young man sounds like he had gone insane. they need help some way for sure. thats bad that the one mom has just lost her mate now this young man is really messing up things.
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@Tampa_girl7 (54736)
• United States
20 Sep 16
Sounds like the young man needs help fast.
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@DaddyEvil (174708)
• United States
19 Sep 16
Uhm... I don't think an intervention is what is really called for in this case, pony. I would say an appointment with someone qualified to diagnose/treat mental disorders would be more in line with what the young man needs. Uhm... you could simply call the college's registrar's office and ask if the young man is enrolled there. The default status is to give out general information on students, both previous and current, unless the student has decided they prefer not to share their information for some reason. (Like if someone might be stalking them or if they were involved in an abusive situation.) In general, the percentage of students who block the information from public knowledge is less than 10%. If the young man had no reason to set up the block, then the school should give you the information.
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@DaddyEvil (174708)
• United States
20 Sep 16
@TheHorse Hmmm... you could ask family members if they remember what therapist he went to back then and see if the therapist would talk with you about the young man. S/he might be willing, since you also do that type of work. IDK if that would be considered unethical, though. I guess it would depend on your conscience.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
20 Sep 16
@DaddyEvil I think client confidentiality would rule the day.
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@TheHorse (238361)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Sep 16
Maybe I'll give it a try. I think the young man saw a therapist for awhile during his elementary school years, but I don't know that the "diagnosis" was.
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