Does it matter in which direction you stir bread batter or cake batter?

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Eugene, Oregon
January 15, 2018 12:03pm CST
Anne decided this morning to try a new "no knead" bread recipe from the NY Times, that was printed in our local paper. The one she has been using is great, but the timing of things makes it a drawn out process. The new one is much less so. Her right arm was hurting as she stirred the batter, so I volunteered to help (We don't have a stand mixer since we would seldom use it and space on the counter is limited). So I began stirring this stiffening batter and she made the observation that I was, at times, stirring counter-clockwise. I wondered if it matters and she said she recalled a Julia Childs interview from some years back where some "expert" said that stirring clockwise was critical (something to do with threads of gluten). How in the world can that be? I know that @Amadeo and some others here bake bread often. So, I will risk "stirring" up myLotters by throwing this question open, while I "loaf" the rest of the day and take care of my cold.
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@snowy22315 (209073)
• United States
15 Jan 18
Oh wow, this kind of sounds like one of those which way do you hang the toliet paper kind of dilemmas. I will be interested in reading the answers on this one.
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• Eugene, Oregon
15 Jan 18
Yes, me too!
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@JudyEv (382325)
• Rockingham, Australia
15 Jan 18
If your bread is successful I guess it will prove that the direction of stirring isn't too vital.
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• Eugene, Oregon
16 Jan 18
Well, it looks great. I posted a pic below.
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@JudyEv (382325)
• Rockingham, Australia
16 Jan 18
@JamesHxstatic I found the photo. It looks really nice. How long did it last before you just had to have a small slice?
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• Eugene, Oregon
16 Jan 18
@JudyEv Just long enough to cool off. Then we served it with dinner. Great bread.
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@much2say (57760)
• Los Angeles, California
15 Jan 18
I can't imagine that it would make a difference. As a lefty, I think I tend to stir things counter-clockwise, but then again I do stir both ways. Hmmm, we'll have to make 2 bowls of batter and test the theory out!
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@much2say (57760)
• Los Angeles, California
16 Jan 18
@JamesHxstatic I suppose I would have to use identical bowls and stirring utensils too !
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• Eugene, Oregon
15 Jan 18
You will have to time and count the stirs too, I suppose.
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@LadyDuck (502653)
• Italy
16 Jan 18
Do not worry James, you can stir in no matter which direction. People say the same for stirring hand made mayonnaise. I stir both clockwise and counter clockwise and I always get a perfect mayo.
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@LadyDuck (502653)
• Italy
16 Jan 18
@JamesHxstatic Yes, I use raw yolks to make my mayo. I buy the eggs from a local farmer, I want to be sure.
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@TheHorse (238342)
• Walnut Creek, California
8 Apr 18
Glad to hear. I was worried that everything I've ever done was wrong.
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• Eugene, Oregon
16 Jan 18
That is interesting, Anna. Do you use raw eggs in your mayo?
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• United States
15 Jan 18
I don't really know if this is true of not but my mom was always a stickler for mixing in one direction only when she was baking. I'm one to mix in both directions and I'll be interested to see if anyone here has the answer.
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• Eugene, Oregon
16 Jan 18
That is interesting that she felt that way!
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@kobesbuddy (78833)
• East Tawas, Michigan
15 Jan 18
I've never heard this about thread of gluten being stirred the wrong way. Yet, if it came from Julia Childs, I definitely would believe that it's true.
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• Eugene, Oregon
15 Jan 18
It might have been the person she was interviewing.
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@owlwings (43897)
• Cambridge, England
15 Jan 18
I'm quite sure that there is no scientific reason why 'batter' or dough should be stirred in any particular direction. Bread making isn't (or shouldn't be) a matter of stirring, anyway. The process of kneading (if it's used at all) is to 'develop' the gluten. Gluten is a protein and needs to be hydrated and worked in such a way as to develop it into long, elastic, cohesive molecules so that it holds the gas bubbles (generated by the yeast or other raising agent) and therefore makes the bread spongy and light. Proper kneading should involve both squeezing and stretching the dough with the hands or with a mixer. It shouldn't really be a 'stirring' action at all. Many bread recipes require two risings, which makes the process rather lengthy and doesn't really make for a substantially better or more even crumb, in my opinion. Some types of flour require less working to develop the gluten (spelt flour can definitely be 'overworked', so that the gluten actually begins to lose its elasticity). The so called 'no knead' recipes tend to use much longer proving times and rely on the flour to develop the gluten by leaving the dough to rest for several hours before baking. This will usually tend to give the bread a rather uneven texture with a big variation in the size of the gas bubbles, more like a ciabatta loaf than the even small crumb of a sandwich loaf, for example.
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• Eugene, Oregon
15 Jan 18
Ciabatta loaf? Not at all with the recipes she uses, they come out with a nice fine grain. Many no knead recipes work great these days.
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@celticeagle (189927)
• Boise, Idaho
15 Jan 18
Shouldn't make much of a difference except in old fables or such.
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@celticeagle (189927)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Jan 18
@JamesHxstatic ......Yes, it sure does.
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@jstory07 (148749)
• Roseburg, Oregon
17 Jan 18
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• Eugene, Oregon
15 Jan 18
Fresh out of the oven
Maybe it did not matter. Anne made two smaller loaves and here is one. Looks good!
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• Guadeloupe
16 Jan 18
Always clockwise, just like monkeys do when stirring their leavings on the jungle floor.
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• Eugene, Oregon
16 Jan 18
They do? Really? I wonder why they stir that?
@jstory07 (148749)
• Roseburg, Oregon
17 Jan 18
I have always heard you should stir counter-clockwise. Who knows why.
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• Eugene, Oregon
12 Feb 18
That is interesting.
@PatZAnthony (14749)
• Charlotte, North Carolina
16 Jan 18
There can't be a difference in the results, but some will say there is
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• Eugene, Oregon
16 Jan 18
Well, the bread came out great, so I think you are right.
@amadeo (111937)
• United States
15 Jan 18
while doing this she need to take a break from it and then continued it.I have not heard of this no knead bread recipe .I am going to check this out.Thank you.Did you get it done.
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@amadeo (111937)
• United States
15 Jan 18
@JamesHxstatic thank youJames.Going to check t his out
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@WorDazza (15826)
• Manchester, England
15 Jan 18
Surely it depends on which direction the gluten is facing when you start stirring
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• Eugene, Oregon
15 Jan 18
Now that is a very good point!
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@WorDazza (15826)
• Manchester, England
15 Jan 18
@JamesHxstatic Or maybe you can buy left handed or right handed gluten!!
@TheHorse (238342)
• Walnut Creek, California
8 Apr 18
Maybe there are some gluten-whisperers on this site.
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@FayeHazel (40230)
• United States
18 Jan 18
Mmm homemade bread! I don't think it matters, but that could be wrong
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@TheHorse (238342)
• Walnut Creek, California
8 Apr 18
I wish I could teleport the aroma.
• United States
16 Jan 18
i don't think it truly matters..whatever's comfortable by dominant hand..
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• Eugene, Oregon
16 Jan 18
I can't see why it would matter either.
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@marlina (154103)
• Canada
15 Jan 18
I don`t think that it would make a big difference.
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• Eugene, Oregon
16 Jan 18
Nor do I.
@sallypup (69210)
• Centralia, Washington
15 Jan 18
I love your puns. I am not good an knowing what clock wise I work. I just know that I make bread every week or we go without bread. I have never used a mixer or a bread maker. I do have a blender. Otherwise its me and the spoon and the bowl.
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• Eugene, Oregon
15 Jan 18
Anne does the same, hand mixer won't work on dough. I buy sandwich bread, but we serve the good stuff at dinner.
@DeborahDiane (40849)
• Laguna Woods, California
18 Jan 18
@JamesHxstatic - That is fascinating and I have no clue if it matters. I will read the other comments and see what the "experts" here say!
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• Eugene, Oregon
18 Jan 18
Since it came out so well, I surmise that the direction does not matter.
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• Eugene, Oregon
19 Jan 18
@DeborahDiane It is really good! Thanks!
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• Laguna Woods, California
19 Jan 18
@JamesHxstatic - That's what appeared to be true when I read the other comments and saw your photo. The bread looked fabulous!
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@thelme55 (79323)
• Germany
16 Jan 18
I have no idea. I always stir it clockwise.
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• Eugene, Oregon
16 Jan 18
I guess my arm got tired one way, so I went the other.
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@arunima25 (93194)
• Bangalore, India
5 Jun 18
I have never heard of anything like that. In fact a lot depends on the dominance of hand...right handed or left handed. Well I bake once in a blue moon and I use both my hands one after the other as they get tired and I switch. So I stir in both clockwise and anticlockwise direction. I never realized that it might have some affect.
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• Eugene, Oregon
5 Jun 18
I am not yet sure that it does.
@arunima25 (93194)
• Bangalore, India
6 Jun 18
@JamesHxstatic I think it won't