Responding to an Emergency

@moffittjc (118442)
Gainesville, Florida
July 20, 2019 3:02pm CST
I haven't said much about this until now, but two weeks ago we had an emergency incident at one of the public pools I manage. A patron went into cardiac arrest while swimming laps. Although I can't go into details due to possible future legal action, I can say that the patron was not breathing and had no pulse when my lifeguards pulled him from the water. Through the use of an AED unit and their efforts to perform CPR on the victim, my staff was able to re-establish a pulse. They continued CPR and ventilations until fire rescue and paramedics showed up to take over the scene. Anyway, today the firefighters and paramedics that were on shift the evening of the emergency invited the lifeguards to breakfast at the firehouse. They wanted to thank the lifeguards for their efforts to save a man's life through their actions. At the breakfast the unit commander praised my staff and told them what a good job they did. And it wasn't just feel-good praise he was giving, he backed it up with data and facts. There are several grading systems used by our fire department to rate the effectiveness of the responses of their staff, and he was able to show our lifeguards that through their efforts, the firefighters had scored very high points in their rating system for the emergency response. They wanted the lifeguards to know that they couldn't have achieved such a high rating in this instance if it wasn't for the quick-thinking and actions of our staff. Considering that all eight of the lifeguards involved in the emergency incident were under 18 years of age (including 4 who were under the age of 16), this was important for them to hear. They were very shaken up by the incident, and were second-guessing themselves as to whether they did everything correctly. The breakfast meeting this morning was the opportunity for our fire department to let our lifeguards know they did everything right. I could see the look of relief in all my staff's faces, and it was like a huge weight was lifted off their shoulders. It was nice for my staff to interact with the fire department crew who responded on the day of the emergency. The breakfast meeting was scheduled to last one hour, but three hours later, they were all still interacting with and talking to each other. It was nice that the lifeguards got to eat breakfast, chat with staff from the fire department, and tour the fire station and trucks. One of the topics that was discussed was the fact that no CPR training class, or CPR practice on a manikin/dummy could ever prepare you for what you experience when performing CPR in real life. Which brings me to the question... Have any of you ever had to perform CPR in real life? If so, what was it like, and what was the outcome?
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@CarolDM (203454)
• Nashville, Tennessee
20 Jul 19
Wow that was a close call it sounds like. Good for the team to learn about these life saving techniques. I have never performed CPR, although I have taken classes. But I have had it performed on myself. And yes I survived.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
20 Jul 19
@CarolDM Sorry to hear about your incident as well. Just glad to know that you are alive and well and here to continue interacting!
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@CarolDM (203454)
• Nashville, Tennessee
20 Jul 19
@moffittjc I am so sorry about your Dad. And your brother, surely he knows he did all he could. Mine happened after surgery, they blamed the anesthesia, trying to CYA so I wouldn't sue I believe. Either way glad I am ok. My sternum was fractured but it was worth the price. Again, great lessons your team is learning.
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@CarolDM (203454)
• Nashville, Tennessee
20 Jul 19
@moffittjc Thanks, it is always a scary situation. I know you are proud of your staff.
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@NJChicaa (116003)
• United States
20 Jul 19
How amazing of your lifeguards to save that person and what a wonderful time they must have had. I've been trained in CPR twice and AED once but have never used it in real life.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
20 Jul 19
Although AED and CPR certification is good for 2 years, we require our staff to re-certify in it every year. We also make them practice it daily. It paid off in this instance, as all these young kids performed just like they were trained to do. I always fear that when dealing with young, impressionable guards, that they could panic and freeze up in an emergency, and forget all that they have been trained to do. Fortunately, in this instance, they performed admirably. I do need to make note that, although my staff re-established a pulse in the victim (and therefore successfully saved his life), the victim passed away five days later at the hospital.
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@NJChicaa (116003)
• United States
20 Jul 19
@moffittjc They saved his life. Period.
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@NJChicaa (116003)
• United States
20 Jul 19
@moffittjc I understand
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@flapiz (22403)
• United Kingdom
24 Jul 19
As a nurse I haven’t really done the CPR part. I did however do the pumping of the mechanical ventilator as my colleague did the CPR. It is always scary when life is on the line.
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@flapiz (22403)
• United Kingdom
24 Jul 19
@moffittjc Yep the most important thing in an Emergency is to work as a team and assist in whatever way you’re capable.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
24 Jul 19
@flapiz Thankfully, they all worked very well together as a team that night. And even more so, they worked very well with the firefighters and paramedics when they arrived.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
24 Jul 19
We had 8 different lifeguards involved in the rescue of this man, and all had very different but vital roles to play in the emergency action plan.
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@DWDavis (25812)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
20 Jul 19
Kudos to your staff and those who trained them. I've never had to perform CPR but have had to call on my first aid training in potentially life-threatening situations. Training takes over at the moment. I'm especially pleased with the way the fire department called your team in and gave them their props. I'm sure it meant so much to your crew.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
20 Jul 19
I was very impressed as well that the fire department reached out to us to thank our staff. We really do have a great fire department, and it's always a pleasure working with them.
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@LadyDuck (458091)
• Switzerland
21 Jul 19
Your staff did a fine job and it's great that the firefighters took the time to let them know. I never had to perform CPR, I hope I will never need to do this.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
I have never had to perform CPR on anyone either, and although I am trained and practice CPR daily, I hope I never have to use it either.
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@LadyDuck (458091)
• Switzerland
21 Jul 19
@moffittjc I imagine how difficult it is to stay calm and do what you have to do if it's someone you know and love.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
@LadyDuck When loved ones are involved, some people react by gut instinct and some people just go into meltdown mode. The firefighters were telling me yesterday that so many emergency calls that they go on they have to call in law enforcement because the victim's loved ones/family members are getting in the way of the firefighters as they try to help the victim. I guess our rational mind just goes out the window in many of these cases.
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@andriaperry (116860)
• Anniston, Alabama
20 Jul 19
No I have not ever had to and I have never been trained either.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
Keep your fingers crossed that you will never need to do CPR on anyone, or come across anyone who needs CPR.
• United States
21 Jul 19
Kudos to those young people. They did what was necessary to help another. I nearly had to perform CPR on a patron in our local Walmart. They called anyone to the pharmacy area that knew CPR. I immediately headed over, but when I arrived someone had already started CPR. I noticed he was not doing it correctly and told him to move his hands up between the mans nipples on his chest. The guy was shaken a little bit when I said it. He looked at me and I said, do it now or I'll take over for you. He was pushing on the man's abdomen. The medics arrived just as I was about to push the man out of the way and begin administering proper CPR on the man. The man did survive. He had participated in a bike race earlier that day. It took a toll on him.
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• United States
21 Jul 19
@moffittjc I was very calm when I addressed him not doing it right. But was about to toss him away like a rag doll if he didn't do as I said.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
The man was lucky to survive given that the guy doing CPR was thrusting in the wrong location. I'm surprised the victim didn't vomit all over everything from all the thrusting in the abdomen region.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
@ElusiveButterfly And you had a legal right to do so if necessary. You could have also said, "I have a higher level of training than you, move over and let me take over." By law, you always have to defer to someone with a more advanced level of training or else you take on personal liability in the event of a lawsuit. We are very fortunate that we have very large medical facilities here in Gainesville, and a huge portion of the population works at those facilities, so there is always someone around who has advanced level of training. A few years ago, we pulled a 6-year old child out of the pool who had drowned and my staff was doing CPR when a woman ran up and said she was a cardiac nurse. My staff immediately moved out of the way and let her step in and take over CPR. Of course, my staff assisted (rescue breathing, hooking up the AED, etc), but the woman took over as the primary responder in that cas.
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@dodo19 (47066)
• Beaconsfield, Quebec
21 Jul 19
Wow that must of been quite something. It is pretty impressive that they were able to do it. It was really nice of the firefighters to invite them to a breakfast and praised them.
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@dodo19 (47066)
• Beaconsfield, Quebec
21 Jul 19
@moffittjc That's really great! I do hope that you guys can continue to build a relationship with them. It would be amazing if you could.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
@dodo19 I told all the girls on my staff that they would love working with all them firefighter studs! haha
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
I thought it was great that the firefighters invited them to breakfast, and spent some time talking and interacting with them. I hope we continue to build upon the relationship. We've invited the firefighters to come to some of our future trainings.
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• United States
20 Jul 19
No, I have never performed CPR. Though, I should really take a class. Amazing job to your staff/lifeguards on duty.
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• United States
22 Jul 19
@moffittjc Yes, I want to learn CPR and educate myself because I am babysitting my niece and nephew on a daily basis Monday - Friday. As far as handling the outcome, it may be hard....... but I would hope for the best! Always.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
20 Jul 19
Before you take a CPR class, ask yourself some important questions, and be honest with yourself in your answers. If ever called upon to perform CPR on someone in real life, could you do it? Could you handle the outcome if your efforts to revived someone aren't successful? On the other side of the coin, they say that 80% of all cardiac arrest events happen inside the home or in the presence of a loved one. Knowing that information, would you want to know CPR then, considering the life you save may be one of your family members?
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
22 Jul 19
@infatuatedbby If you are babysitting, then getting certified in First Aid and CPR is a must!
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• Valdosta, Georgia
21 Jul 19
That was amazing of your lifeguards-especially being young not to panic and to take action! They should be so proud of themselves. =) I haven't had to perform CPR, I have however had to use the heimlich many, many times on children. I have been CPR/First Aid Certified a few times now but I pray I never need to use it!
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• Valdosta, Georgia
21 Jul 19
@moffittjc That is truly amazing! I know you must be so very proud of them.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
@LovingMyBabies Definitely proud of them! I'm also keeping a close eye on them to make sure they are doing well and not showing signs of stress or depression after the incident. At least two of them were struggling with everything, but I know they have sought counseling to help them deal with it.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
That was always my biggest worry with such a young staff, that they would freeze or panic in the event of a real emergency. But they did exactly what they were trained to do, and none of the staff on duty that night panicked or failed to perform their part in the emergency action plan. There are so many pieces in the puzzle during an emergency, besides just attending to the victim. 911 has to be called; someone needs to be out front to meet the EMTs when they arrive; the pool and deck needs to be cleared of patrons; staff have to do crowd control; staff have to grab the backboard, the AED and the First Aid kit; staff have to start filling out paperwork and collecting witness names and contact info. There is just so much involved in the traumatic events, and they all did everything really well that night!
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@BelleStarr (61047)
• United States
21 Jul 19
I have not ever performed CPR but I have done the Heimlich maneuver twice. It freaked me out I will say.
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@BelleStarr (61047)
• United States
22 Jul 19
@moffittjc Just a couple of minutes, I sat down, we were in a restaurant and just gathered myself together. But I was shaken, I thought Al was going to die!!
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
22 Jul 19
I can imagine that responding to any type of medical emergency has the potential to freak somebody out!
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
22 Jul 19
@BelleStarr Sounds like you went into shock! How long did it take you to calm down and stop shaking?
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• United States
20 Jul 19
I have never had to give it, but I went to a class for it, and could help someone if needed. I am glad they were able to help with the CPR, it is always a blessing to be able to help.
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• United States
20 Jul 19
@moffittjc I am glad I haven't been in a situation to have to use it, but I would. It is one of those experiences, I can live without. I think there are far less people that can actually give CPR, I don't really know that, but just guessing.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
20 Jul 19
I think it's adorable that so many people get trained in CPR, but the training can never fully prepare you for what you experience in real life. I hope to never have to use CPR in real life, but I am trained and ready to go if necessary.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
20 Jul 19
@CookieMonster46 I'm sure there are many, many people who have taken a CPR class that have no intention of every using it in real life, for whatever reason.
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@porwest (78761)
• United States
9 Aug 19
Wow. Not something I hope to ever see. Such a sad thing, but great that there were people qualified to help. Never had to perform CPR on anyone, and hope to never have to.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
10 Aug 19
I'm with you on that. I hope to never have to use CPR on someone either. I mean, I could do it, I'm not worried about that, I just hope I'm never in a situation where someone's life is dependent on my pounding on their chest.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
13 Aug 19
@porwest I have advanced CPR training since I am a first responder, but the CPR that they teach the layman has changed quite a bit. Now they don't teach rescue breaths anymore, they only teach chest compressions. Basically, they'll tell you, it doesn't matter if you're trained or not, any chest compressions at all are going to help in some way. The idea is that by doing something, anything, you are at least getting some circulation going through the pumping action of the chest compression. Probably not very effective, but something is better than nothing.
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@porwest (78761)
• United States
10 Aug 19
@moffittjc I could do it too, although I am not currently trained. I do not have a certificate or anything. But I do remember how I was taught to do it, although I am sure the methods have changed.
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• Rupert, Idaho
20 Jul 19
Your team did great work, especially with them all being under 18....and that is good they got the praise they deserve! And no, I have never had to do so....and I have never learned either.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
@MommyOfEli2013 I guess my many years in Boy Scouts has always taught me to be prepared. Have the skills ready to use, but hope you never have to use them.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
I am a big fan of people learning CPR, although I know not everybody has the fortitude to be able to do or even handle CPR. So I totally understand if someone doesn't want to learn, or has never learned CPR.
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• Rupert, Idaho
21 Jul 19
@moffittjc I can understand why someone would, or might want to learn though. It's good to know, just in case. You never know what could happen!
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@kareng (54724)
• United States
21 Jul 19
Oh wow, and what a great ending to the situation. Kudos to these young men who put into action the training they had received. Such a happy ending.
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@kareng (54724)
• United States
22 Jul 19
@moffittjc Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. Your team did their job and should be proud of the effort they made. He may have suffered another heart attack.
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@kareng (54724)
• United States
26 Jul 19
@moffittjc Very true. Your team did their best and that is what counts.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
24 Jul 19
@kareng We don't know what kind of condition he was in once he reached the hospital, other than he was alive. For all we know he could have been on life support. There are so many variables that could have factored into his demise after a week in the hospital. And yes, another heart attack is certainly within the realm of possibilities.
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@snowy22315 (169966)
• United States
21 Jul 19
That is fantastic, and I think you should also pat yourself on the back, for making sure they receive excellent state of the art training in lifesaving procedure. They did everything right and it paid off! Great of the fire department to recognize them for that as well.
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@snowy22315 (169966)
• United States
21 Jul 19
@moffittjc It sounds like you are doing everything to the best of your ability.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
I always worry that there is more we should be doing in our trainings with the staff, but I think we do a pretty good job. I think I worry so much because I am dealing with such young kids who are getting jobs as lifeguards. My one saving grace is that we have fire stations across the street from, or very near, all of our pools.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
@snowy22315 Given that I am overworked, and pulled in a hundred different directions at once, and don't have enough resources to do everything I want to do, I guess we're doing okay. Such is the life of a government employee I guess.
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@valmnz (17099)
• New Zealand
29 Jul 19
I know exactly how you feel. My husband had to do the same for a close friend at the first pool he worked at. That was nice those kids learned that they'd done everything they could.
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@valmnz (17099)
• New Zealand
2 Aug 19
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
29 Jul 19
I couldn't have asked for a better group of kids to be working that evening. Very good hard-working group. I've been impressed with their work ethic, and how they have responded and handled dealing with an emergency situation. For being so young, they exhibited a great level of maturity.
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@DianneN (246849)
• United States
23 Jul 19
Congratulations to your staff!!! What an experience. Although I was trained in CPR, I never had to perform it iat all. My husband and both sons had to perform CPR to several victims, and they were shaken and relieved afterwards. My boys were trained lifeguards.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
24 Jul 19
It has always been my hopes that my young staff would never have to face this reality during their time working at our pools. But it's all part of the job, and the reason we train so much.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
25 Jul 19
@DianneN I hope so too. I don't want them or any of my lifeguards to have to go through this type of ordeal again.
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@DianneN (246849)
• United States
24 Jul 19
@moffittjc It is sad, but it’s part of life. Thank goodness they were trained so well and acted so responsibly. Hopefully, it will be their last time having to do this.
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@JudyEv (325793)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Jul 19
That's wonderful that your staff rated so highly but I'm a bit surprised they were all so young! Good for them and no, I haven't had to do CPR. I'm sure no amount of training ever prepares you for the real thing.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Jul 19
In all the years I have been involved in aquatics, our lifeguard staff has always been college students, with one or two high school students on staff each year. But for some reason, this year we predominantly have high school students on staff with a few college students sprinkled in. I'm not sure why so many young kids applied this year, and not very many older ones. It is definitely a concern of mine with having so many young staff, but this incident proved to me that they are capable of doing their jobs as they were trained.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
23 Jul 19
@JudyEv It was nice that they got to interact with other people who have been through the same thing they had gone through. It gave them someone to relate to, so that they didn't feel as if they were going through this all alone.
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@JudyEv (325793)
• Rockingham, Australia
22 Jul 19
@moffittjc I think they did amazingly well but it would have done them a world of good to have that breakfast with the others.
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• Belews Creek, North Carolina
20 Jul 19
That's amazing that the fire department made the effort to give your life guard team that kind of encouraging feedback. I can imagine the what ifs and should I s that likely have been going through their heads!
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
20 Jul 19
@SophiaMorros I hope that, at the very least, it helps these young teens put everything in perspective, as far as life is concerned.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
20 Jul 19
It hasn't been easy for the staff. There has been a lot of crying, a lot of praying, and a lot of questioning. Thankfully, we provided grief counseling to them immediately so that they could talk to a professional about the feelings and emotions if they felt so inclined.
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• Belews Creek, North Carolina
20 Jul 19
@moffittjc it's a good tough situation to deal with for anyone.
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