A query for the mathematically minded

@JudyEv (381739)
Rockingham, Australia
November 19, 2020 7:30am CST
So are you good at math/s? (Mostly we say 'maths' in Australia) I’m a bit flummoxed at the moment. Vince bought a pack of two toothbrushes today. You can see the back of the pack in the photo. It says it reduces 151% more bacteria from your mouth. Surely if it reduced bacteria by 100%, there wouldn’t be any left so I’m not sure how they’ve come up with this figure. I’ve thrown the packaging out now but I should have read up on what the asterisk meant. Whatever. I think they need a new copywriter, don’t you? Actually, I’m not even sure what a copywriter does but I have an idea they write this sort of stuff telling you how good a product is. Perhaps someone can enlighten me on that.
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@WorDazza (15826)
• Manchester, England
19 Nov 20
JJ is right. It really is pointless putting this sort of stuff on packaging as most people are fairly mathematically illiterate. Years ago in the UK they introduced a new lottery scratch card for Christmas based on temperatures. The idea was that you had to get a higher temperature than the one printed on the card. The problem was, as it was winter, they used minus temperatures. People went ballistic as they had -5 on the card and they were scratching off -10 and insisting they'd won and no amount of explaining that -10 was actually a lower number than -5 would convince them.
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• United Kingdom
20 Nov 20
@WorDazza Surely you mean innumerate not illiterate!
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@WorDazza (15826)
• Manchester, England
20 Nov 20
@JudyEv And even if you'd read it in the shop would it have influenced your decision to buy the product? Probably not!
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
We didn't really read what was on the card till we got it home. But I know what you're saying.
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@kobesbuddy (78833)
• East Tawas, Michigan
19 Nov 20
So this product reduces 100% of the bacteria in one mouth and 51% in my other mouth!
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 Nov 20
I think JJ has the right answer. It's a bit too clever for me. lol
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@kobesbuddy (78833)
• East Tawas, Michigan
19 Nov 20
@JudyEv I was just goofing around, as usual!
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 Nov 20
@kobesbuddy Goofing is good. We need more goofers.
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@LadyDuck (502148)
• Italy
19 Nov 20
As 100% is the totality, I cannot see how it can reduce more than ALL. I would like to show this to my husband, but I do not want to listen him explaining something for 20 minutes.... may be later.
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@LadyDuck (502148)
• Italy
20 Nov 20
@JudyEv I was just reading and now this makes sense.
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
@LadyDuck I hate it when I'm wrong!! lol
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
Before you do, you might like to read JJ's response. He explains they're comparing the brush to other brands, which makes more sense.
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• United States
19 Nov 20
aint mr. jj jest a whiz? they do lots 'f fluffin' fer pushin' their products.
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
Yes, I'm sure he hit the nail on the head.
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@xFiacre (14782)
• Ireland
19 Nov 20
@judyev Surely it must mean .... no, I just don’t know what it means. In spite of JJ’s elucidation. One thing is sure though, it’s meant to persuade you to part with your cash. (The Irish do Maths with an S too, though I always say at the back in that class and doodled)
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@xFiacre (14782)
• Ireland
19 Nov 20
@JudyEv Standards must be upheld or one may be rusticated, and deservedly so.
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 Nov 20
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 Nov 20
'Math' always sounds funny to me - and mostly I hang on to my 'English' spelling with both hands. No writing 'or' instead of 'our' and all that nonsense.
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@DocAndersen (54399)
• United States
19 Nov 20
my guess would be it is a market comparison (151% less than our nearest competitor)!
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
I think you're right and JJ pointed it out too. I'm a bit slow on the uptake sometimes.
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
@DocAndersen Okay, I'll accept that.
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@DocAndersen (54399)
• United States
20 Nov 20
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@much2say (57760)
• Los Angeles, California
19 Nov 20
You really have to wonder about the accuracy of that . . . I mean 151% . . . not only is it about the extra 51% . . . but do they really have to throw in that 1%??? And how do we really know it reduces 151% more bacteria from your mouth . . . if I found it only did 143% of the job, I'd return it for my money back !
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@much2say (57760)
• Los Angeles, California
20 Nov 20
@JudyEv Ohhhhhh . I still had to think about it - all this tricky writing .
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
Maybe they think the extra 1% makes it more authentic but I think JJ had the right answer. The brush is being compared to other brands.
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Nov 20
@much2say I know, I know. I had to think about it too. lol
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@psanasangma (7910)
• India
19 Nov 20
151% is unrealistic I do not understand, what kind of message they want to sent to customers
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• India
19 Nov 20
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 Nov 20
JJ thinks - and I believe him - that they mean 151% more than other toothbrushes. lol They had me fooled.
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@Fleura (34927)
• United Kingdom
20 Nov 20
Ha ha they are just trying to blind you with science! They don't say 'removes 151% of bacteria' (which would be impossible, as you say, because that would be more than all of them). Instead they say 'reduces 151% more bacteria from your mouth'. What they don't say is 'more than what?' (presumably that's what the asterisk would indicate, if they have bothered to add that part). It could be, for example, 151% more than the most popular brand - but then you don't know what effect that has in the first place. Or it could be 151% more than using your finger. So for example if rubbing your finger around your teeth wiped off 10 bacteria, 151% more than that would be an extra 15, so a total of 25 bacteria removed. But given that your mouth normally contains around 1,000 bacteria, it still wouldn't have much of an effect! Also that is terrible grammar!
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@Fleura (34927)
• United Kingdom
21 Nov 20
@JudyEv This kind of stuff always makes me laugh. They rely on most people not bothering to think much but just being under the impression that a bigger number must be better! One particularly annoying incident I wrote about a few years ago, which you may remember
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Nov 20
@Fleura I just checked out your post again I commented on it at the time. And yes, it would still drive me bonkers.
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Nov 20
I'm going to have to find the same packet (I wasn't with Vince when he picked it up) and see what the asterisk meant.
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@HazySue (39265)
• Gouverneur, New York
19 Nov 20
I guess it is put in a way to make people say Wow, that's really clean.
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 Nov 20
As JJ says, they most likely mean their brushes catch 151% more bacteria than other brushes. But I still think it is a bit misleading.
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@HazySue (39265)
• Gouverneur, New York
19 Nov 20
@JudyEv So do I. It looks like a sales ploy to me.
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@nela13 (59367)
• Portugal
20 Nov 20
I have never been good at math but it seems our mouth can have around 200% of bacteria
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
It seems like that, doesn't it?
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@nela13 (59367)
• Portugal
25 Nov 20
@JudyEv yes it does
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@FayeHazel (40230)
• United States
19 Nov 20
Yeah, I don't quite get it, either. Maybe it works too good?
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
I think JJ was on the right track. They mean 151% better than other brands. Maybe the asterisk pointed to some test or other.
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@FayeHazel (40230)
• United States
20 Nov 20
@JudyEv Wow... well that makes sense kind of.... I think I get how that could be vaguely with my subpar math skills
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@dya80dya (36805)
20 Nov 20
This is weird. I don't understand this. How can it reduce more than 100%?
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
JJ explains that they are probably comparing their brush with another brand so theirs gets rid of 151% more bacteria than other brushes. That makes more sense.
@CarolDM (203396)
• Nashville, Tennessee
19 Nov 20
Of course they are trying to sell the product at whatever means they can.
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
Yes - sort of, don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.
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@snowy22315 (208746)
• United States
19 Nov 20
Something to grab your attention which it surely did!
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
Well - it gave me something to write about. I've been running out of ideas lately.
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@Orson_Kart (8250)
• United Kingdom
20 Nov 20
As a brit I obviously say "maths" As it's an abbreviation of mathematics then I guess it could be "math". Of course, if mathematics is the plural form of 'mathematic' then clearly the American abbreviation is incorrect. I am not sure on that one. Anyway, onto your percentage problem. I think you have your answer and I don't think I can add anything to the debate other than to congratulate you on still having your own teeth.
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
I don't have ALL of them but thanks anyway. Always nice to be congratulated on something.
@rebelann (117196)
• El Paso, Texas
19 Nov 20
I agree with you. I've seen people write about things being 200% better than some other company which doesn't make much sense either.
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
I think it's just meant to impress us.
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@wolfgirl569 (135583)
• Marion, Ohio
19 Nov 20
I see JJ came to the rescue.
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
Yes, JJ has set me straight a few times on here. lol
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@sol_cee (38669)
• Philippines
19 Nov 20
The 151% surely did the trick for consumers who like big numbers
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
Yes, it seems very impressive, doesn't it?
@Luis11 (399)
19 Nov 20
I think they are simply exaggerating.
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@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Nov 20
Yes, it would seem so but JJ pointed out they are comparing their brush with others which makes more sense.