Why should praying be banned in schools?...

@aseretdd (13712)
Philippines
March 10, 2008 8:53pm CST
I read the other day that praying is banned in public schools in the US... i don't understand why... In my country... there are a lot of religious groups eventhough the major and official religion is Catholicism... and there is an ongoing somewhat religious war in the south (Muslim rebels trying to wage a holy war against the government)... but this did not lead to the banning of prayer or religion in private or public schools... I just dont understand why they would ban prayer... please enlighten me with this?...
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@dtroas (481)
• United States
11 Mar 08
I for one do not understand that. Why do we want to take GOD out of everything. And that is what has happened here in the USA, Before we know it, it will be taken off of our money. I am not saying it will for sure. But saying GODS name anymore seems like a dirty word to people. For example. A girl in my daughters 5th grade class was talking about something that she had learned at Church. There was a big deal over this and letters was sent home to the students parents. I did not see it to be a problem but alot of other parents did. I want my children to know about GOD. At Christmas plays that they have at school they no longer have any of the songs in them about Jesus.
@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
11 Mar 08
Oh my... even during Christmas plays... the omitted songs about Jesus... then they should chang the name Christmas... since it was derived from Jesus CHRIST... i don't see anything wrong with prayer... or talking about what one learned in Church school... so i really don't understand the reason behind this... thanks for the response...
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@AmbiePam (44940)
• United States
11 Mar 08
This is a very hot topic here in the U.S.. You'll get a lot of stuff about separation from church and state, but bottom line, I think prayer should be allowed in public schools. I don't think it harms anything, and to deny the right, is sad and wrong. Now as I type this I hope no one starts an argument about my opinion because seriously, people get riled up about this.
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@AmbiePam (44940)
• United States
11 Mar 08
By the way, private schools can allow prayer. I went to a Christian school, and there are a lot of Christian schools found in the U.S.
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@dtroas (481)
• United States
11 Mar 08
No one should want to get riled up about this. There should be pray allowed anywhere you go. School, work, shopping does not matter if you want to pray you should have every right to.
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
11 Mar 08
I think this is like unconstitutional... where freedom of expression is being denied... i myself do not see any harm in praying... so long as the act does not disturb the classes... I know that private schools are quite expensive in the US... so if i am Catholic but i do not have enough money to send my children there... then my only option is to send them to public schools where religious freedom is banned... that is just so sad...
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@skinnychick (6937)
• United States
11 Mar 08
Private schools allow prayer in the US. The public schools are funded by the government. In the US there is seperation of church and state. I think religion should be taught but every religion should be taught. I do not believe kids should pray in school as we all have different beliefs. Religion is taught in the home and that is where it should stay. I don't care what others believe in but I don't want it forced on my kids. I have been teaching my kids about different belief systems and my hope is that when they get old enough they will decide what religion is best suited for them.
@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
11 Mar 08
I agree that one's religious beliefs should never be forced upon others... since respect and tolerance should always be present everywhere...but banning prayer in schools is like violation of one's freedom of expression... prayer should not be forced on students... but it should also not be denied on those who want to do this... thanks for the response...
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• United States
11 Mar 08
Those who want to pray I'd imagine can do it at anytime. The problem lies when only Christianity or Judaism are the only religions represented in public schools. As we all know there are many more religions that people connect with and these are the ones not widely accepted in American public schools or really in America at all. It's actually very sad but here most people are blinded by their own religion instead of seeing the big picture and merits in other religions as well as theirs.
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
12 Mar 08
Well, the problem is that... a lot of people are not yet mature in terms of religion... some feels like we are still in the dark ages... but slowly... i can see and feel some change...
@daeckardt (6245)
• United States
11 Mar 08
I'm not really sure what the reason is. I know that the US constitution allows freedom of speech. When I was younger, it seems like they allowed prayer in school, even in public schools. Of course it was expected in private schools, but I think the reason it was banned was because parents of kids who were not believers complained that the schools were requiring their kids to pray and to keep them happy they banned it for everyone. That is just my understanding of it. If this is not accurate, pleas let me know. Have a great day!!!
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
11 Mar 08
I am not sure the reason is accurate... but it is possible since from the article i read... it said there "not to offend non believers"... well if that is the case... then this particular banning is a direct offense tho believers... all parties should be taken into consideration before policies are made... thanks for the response...
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@daeckardt (6245)
• United States
11 Mar 08
I think you are right about it offending the believers. Some places will allow "a moment of silence" which the believers can use to pray and the non-believers can do whatever as long as they are silent. It is not an optimum solution, but it is better than nothing.
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
11 Mar 08
Well, i do not think that banning is the only solution... since that is like a violation of freedom of expression... a time for silence is a good thing...
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@gr8life (6253)
• Malaysia
26 May 08
Hello aseretdd, I really do not understand what kind of world we are living now. I don't even like to talk about religion, racism or anything negative as it is just make me more headache looking for the answer. To be banned doing prayer especially in a country like US, is something real weird. I understand if it happens in your country or mine but in USA, there must be something really really wrong about it.
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
27 May 08
I agree with you... i am not that religious... but when i read about this thing about banning prayer... i got really into it... it would certainly be really really weird if this sort of thing will happen in our countries... a war might even break out... thanks for the response...
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@callarse1 (4796)
• United States
27 May 08
As far as I know it's not a complete ban, and how are you supposed to do that anyway? You just can't lead the school in prayer or lead the class into prayer. But if the students want to pray then there's no law against that...just can't be done as a group thing. Have a nice day. Pablo
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@drannhh (15002)
• United States
11 Mar 08
Our country was founded on a principal of separation between church and state, an idea strongly endorsed by Thomas Jefferson, who was the primary author of our Declaration of Independence. In our educational system it is allowable to have private schools and some of these are owned and administered by different religious organizations and in these schools, prayer is allowed. The public schools, on the other hand, are owned by the state and since there is no state religion in the US, allowing prayer in the schools would create unrest with the different denominations warring against one another in a desire to dominate. Jefferson's reasoning on this follows from John Locke's thoughts on the Difference between Civil and Ecclesiastical Power. Our country's structure is built on a system of checks and balances where the government is divided into three power blocks, so the speak. They are the legislature, the judiciary, and the executive branches. Religion is a mater of individual freedom, not a branch of government. The reason US stands for the United States is that men like Jefferson recognized the need for people to agree on matters of government, for a government divided against itself will long stand.
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
11 Mar 08
I remember reading something about this during American History class... and now that you mentioned it... my country's government is patterned after that of the US... even the constitution... and after being under Spanish rule for like 300 years... it was during the American period when the separation between the church and state was implemented... But i do not think that prayer can cause a lot of unrest in a society as diverse as the US... but if that would indeed happen... then i do not think totally banning it from public schools is the answer... instead... school policies that would benefit all concern should be made... thanks for the response...
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@teison2 (5924)
• Norway
11 Mar 08
In my mind religion is a private matter. The parents may pray with their children all they want, and bring them to church whenever they want. I think that public schools are for everyone, no matter what religion they belong to. To me it is a matter of respect. I do not think that christians would take having their kids be part of muslim prayers five times a day lightly. Nor do I think it is a good thing to have people pray to a god they do not believe in. It is disrespectful both to the kids that must take part in prayers to someone they do not believe in, and to the people whose god people prey to when they do not believe. Freedom of religion is in fact one of the human rights. No sivilized society should ever even consider breaking the human rights. No harm in taking part in prayers to a god they do not believe in? Well, it might be. And it is not up to christians to decide if it is harmfull for muslim or budist or jewish or agnostic kids to take part in christian prayer. That is up to them and their parents. What good can it possibly do to force prayers on somone? Force never leads to anything good in my mind. This does not mean that I do not think christianity should be taught in school. I think everyone needs to learn about it. But religious acts are something completely different. Religious acts should only be performed when it means something special to the ones performing them
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
11 Mar 08
It is definitely not good to force people particularly children to pray... i for one am against that... but why deny the act to those who want to do it?... religion my have brought negative things but we cannot deny the fact that there are also a lot of positive aspects attached to it... We must not concentrate our efforts in eradicating something that may in fact bring good to society... banning prayer is not the answer... Thanks for the response...
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@jennybianca (12918)
• Australia
12 Mar 08
In Australia, all Government schools ban praying. This is because we believe that religion is completely separate from education. The Government is also separate from religion.All public schools are secular. If people want their child to have religion & praying in their schooling, they can send them to a private school.
@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
14 Mar 08
The reason is the same with that of the US... but are children punished if they are caught praying?... or in the position or act of praying?... well i guess the only option for some parents is to pay the tuition and send their children to a private school... thanks for the response...
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@jennybianca (12918)
• Australia
14 Mar 08
I seriously doubt whether any child would be punished for praying in a school here. But questions would be asked if the child was praying, say, in the middle of a maths lesson, or when the teacher was explaining something.
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
17 Mar 08
It would be odd for a student to pray loudly in the middle of a lesson... that would certainly be uncalled for... but i hope they are allowed to pray during recess or lunch time...
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@mac1946 (1602)
• Calgary, Alberta
11 Mar 08
I must agree with Galina on this,I was forced to pray evry morning at assembly,but at that time,there were not a lot of differant religionsaround like today. As there are more study periods in schools today,why not set aside one peticular room ans eperate it into areas for each type of religion and allow the kids to pick which one they wish to use to pray in,if they are not religious,they can just study. I used to get detention every day because I refused to be in time for school so as to make sure I missed the assembly. I will say,I was kind of lucky,I was forced into both Chatholic and Protistant religions,and I was allowed to choose,so I chose neither,and after time,did find my own religion,but I was not brainwashed in believing one over another. You are in school to learn things to help you servive in life,not to waist time and taxpayers money to learn what you are taught in church.
@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
14 Mar 08
It is nice that you were able to find a religion that suited your life and personality... i for one am against being forced into a particular religion... or to join in ceremonies that i feel not that applicable... prayer should be a choice... thanks for the response...
@Galena (9124)
14 Mar 08
I was smacked on my first day at school (and it wasn't a church school, it was non-denominational) as when the headmaster said "let us pray" I didn't bow my head, close my eyes, put my hands together, all that malarky. for a start, I had no idea that was what was expected of me when those words were said, I'm from a Pagan family. and secondly, I am not and never have been a Christian, and even at that age considered it morally objectionable to face physical punishment for not praying to a deity I don't beleive in. I never even pretended. being hit in front of the whole school just made me stubborn. I never even pretended to pray, and why should I. why should a Pagan child be forced to join in Christian prayers in a non-religious school?
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@maximax8 (27049)
2 Apr 08
I am a primary school teacher. In my first year of teaching I taught in a Catholic school and the Catholic religion was very much alive in the school day. Praying was done at the beginning of the school day, before lunch and just before the end of the school day. The Lord's Prayer was often said too. The school prayer book had many more prayers for older children. Then later in my teaching career I taught in a Church of England school and there was less praying was done there. In non religious schools children of all different faiths go there and get on well together. I think prayers for all the children in a school should be available.
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
I graduated and taught in a Catholic School... and the routine on prayer is very similar to the first school that you taught in... and i do agree that prayer should be available in all school... and the child should have the choice if he or she wants to avail of this... thanks for the response...
@KKKBsmom (1094)
• United States
17 Mar 08
I don't understand this either. I mean... yeah we all have our own beliefs... but if EVRYONE is given like 10 minutes of silence a day... they can pray their own prayer/beliefs or just sit there and be quite... show a little respect for those around us. Another thing that is really slacking in our schools now days...respect
@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
18 Mar 08
Well, respect is really lacking in most schools in almost all cultures nowadays... i also don't understand why... but then... maybe there should be a change in how schools are being run today... like what did we have during our time that made us so well behave... that is no longer in the system?... well, that is still a puzzle for me... thanks for the response...
• New Zealand
17 Mar 08
Hi there. I don't see why it should be banned. If it is banned then it's probably cos of the different religions over there. I don't see how they can ban that though. I just don't see how.
@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
18 Mar 08
Well, in some states of the US... praying is totally banned because the act might offend those who are agnostic (based on what i read)... but in some... it is still practiced but students are not forced to pray... i also do not understand why some schools would resort to banning prayer... thanks for the response...
@sid556 (31018)
• United States
14 Mar 08
Not everyone agrees that it should be banned. I don't. I do feel it was wrong when they used to make children pray at the start of each day. With so many different religions and beliefs, prayer should not be pushed in public schools. Likewise it should not be banned from those that wish to.
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
14 Mar 08
No one wants to be forced into doing something they are not comfortable with... forcing children to pray only leaves them restless and bitter about doing it... but i agree with you that it shouldn't be banned so that those who want to can still do it at their own pace and free time... thanks for the response...
• United States
12 Mar 08
Prayer IS allowed in public achools. It's such a misunderstood thing: when I was in High School we had a Christian Share Group that met weekly to pray and hang out together. It was endorsed by the school and we had a teacher advisor who stayed after school to meet with us. Every year we did (and still do) a project called "See You at the Pole" where, on a certain day every year, thousands of students in the U.S. gather around the school flagpole and pray for their school, their friends, teachers and community. I've never heard of anyone trying to stop this. What isn't allowed is ORGANIZED prayer. You can't get on the loud speaker and force everyone to recite a prayer. This I agree with. If, for example, you tried to force me to say the Hail Mary I wouldn't do it because I don't believe in worshipping Mary as if she were a deity, nor would I ever, in a million years, allow someone to force me to repeat "There is no god but ALlah and Muhammed is is prophet" three times every morning. Keep it personal, keep it to yourself and you are absolutely, positively allowed to pray in school. I did, many do and it's not something that's going to be put away by force anytime soon. Some have tried and there always will be some that will, but at the end of the day there's no legal recourse for them as long as it's done in a peaceful, unintrusive manner.
@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
14 Mar 08
This is good to know... i heard about this "See you at the Pole"... and i thought that this is one of those that were banned... but then... i think in some states... praying is indeed totally banned... because officials say that it might offend those who are agnostics... thanks for the response...
@SHAMRACK (8350)
• India
11 Mar 08
Dear Aseretdd, In my country India there are many schools which comes under religion managements, like Hindu, Muslim, Silk, Christian etc. They all do have prayers and moreover the students are from various other religions they too cooperate in prayers and no one have any objection on this. May India is considered as a secular country even though there are many riots and other bad incidence in the name of religions not in the name of prayers in schools and also hope it continues in well going of schools.
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
14 Mar 08
Well, your country is like hope of some of the major and oldest religions in the world... so i guess those riots are a product of people wanting their religion gain control... but i think it is nice that these riots are not used against religion being taught and practiced in your country's schools... thanks for the response...
@julyteen (13265)
• Davao, Philippines
11 Mar 08
there's an opposite situation in our school...before no prayer at all but now it seems different we pray before and after the class...the worst thing if you have 5 subject in a day so you will pray about 10x a day in school..for me this is not practical, you know why even we pray almost all of my classmates cheat on every examinations...what is the purpose of praying if you do bad things?
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
14 Mar 08
Well, that is usually the case in Catholic schools... i am already content with the morning and mid day prayer... so when i was a teacher... i don't do the prayer anymore... aside for that... most students get weary of it... so there is no more sincerity... thanks for the response...
• United States
11 Mar 08
I shake my head and wonder, too. This country was founded on belief in God and for the sake of nonbelievers, prayer has been banned. Now there's talk of removing "one nation under God" from the pledge of allegiance and it's just not right. That move is getting a lot of opposition. It's not right that atheists get the upper hand in our customs and government regulations.
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
14 Mar 08
If the phrase "one nation under God" is successfully removed from the pledge of allegiance... the US will be like a communist country who believes that religion is bad... and will be like an atheist country... This should not be the case... and i believe the early fathers who worked for US independence will certainly not approve of this... thanks for the response...
@deebomb (15347)
• United States
11 Mar 08
The constitution of the United States guarantees the separation of church and state. What most people don't realize is that that means the government can't mandate what religion people have to practice. The government has a minister that opens each day that congress and the senate is in session with prayer. The schools can have student lead prayers separated from the classroom. The fear of the schools is that if they allow any prayers that the ACLU will sue the school and cost the schools a lot of money. May people don't know that church services were held in the government building at the beginning of this country's history. John Quincy Adams writes in his diary that he attended church in the capitol building in the morning and then in the afternoon he attended service inn the Treasury building. December 4,1800 congress decided that the Capitol would also serve as a church building. Prayer being taken out of the schools is an example of how one person that makes enough noise can change a whole education system. She was Madalyn Murray O'Hair.
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
14 Mar 08
I just wonder how the person you stated here created the noise against praying in school... i will surely research that... the US and most countries which came under its jurisdiction... like my country... is founded under the guidance of God... so i just don't understand why it is slowly shutting God away... people can choose to have or not to have any religion... but that doesn't mean we have to totally ban it from a place where people learn to be good citizens... thanks for the response...
@dbhattji (2508)
• India
11 Mar 08
I think prayers should be a part of schooling because we send our children to schools not only to learn how to earn money but also to become good human beings and for that religion and prayers should be taught in school.
@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
14 Mar 08
You have a good point... but i think this is applicable when children who go to that particular school have the same religion... but if not... then the school should devise a program that will respect the belief and culture of all students... and foster respect and tolerance at the same time.. thanks for the response...
@Galena (9124)
11 Mar 08
people should be allowed to pray in school. IN THEIR OWN TIME. so at lunchtime, whatever. if that's how they students want to spend the time, then no one should stop it. but it shouldn't be a part of things like school assemblies or classes. no one should be put in a position where they are expected to pray. because the students religious and spiritual beleifs is none of the schools business.
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@aseretdd (13712)
• Philippines
12 Mar 08
I definitely agree with you... since there are different students with diffent religions... and some do not have any at all... praying should be done at their own convenient time... this is better than banning praying totally... thanks for the response...