Should Fathers Have Abortion Rights?

@AnimeMom (516)
United States
May 2, 2008 8:43am CST
I was having a discussion with my husband the other day and asked him about a scenario involving a husband and a wife on the verge of a divorce, the woman becomes pregnant and since she is not planning on staying with the husband wants to have an abortion. the husband is very pro-Life and forbids his wife from getting the abortion. Can he do that legally? It is half his genetic material that she is carrying, but can her legally forbid her from getting an abortion? My hubby didn't have an answer for it but assumed it was no, and half of me thinks that the husband should have a say in this situation, the other half says it's the woman's choice. What's your opinion on this matter, should he or shouldn't he?
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@Cocoa33 (921)
• United States
3 May 08
i think that the father should have rights when it comes to abortion. they should have to the option to raise the child, even if the mother doesn't want the child. i think its an option that fathers are denied.
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
3 May 08
I agree, they are most definitely denied.
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• United States
3 May 08
I am pro-life, so my answer will reflect that. I pesonal think abortion should be illegal. That fetus is a human life and anyone who goes through an abortion should suffer the same consequences as theones who drowned their children. or set their house on fire knowing their kids are inside it. They should go to jail like the rest of the parents who folllow through with the pregnancy but not the parenting. Ok, enough of the rant. I think the father should have a say. And I think there have been court cases involving such issues. If the father wants the kid, the mother can carry it full term, delivery, then absolve her parental rights. What would be so wrong with that?
@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
4 May 08
It seems like it wouldn't be that much to ask to have a baby if someone wants it. I know pregnancy is hard but your giving life to someone. That should be enough for you.
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• United States
9 May 08
Right on. Pregnncy isn't debilitating for most women. It shouldn't be that big of a deal. She opened her legs to the man, she took part in the conception. If she doesn't want the responsibility, all ahe has to do is sign off her rights after the birth.
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@Angelwriter (1954)
• United States
3 May 08
Well, I don't know law, but I would guess that legally the father has no right to order a woman either to have or not have an abortion. Now, when it's a situation where the woman wants the child and the man doesn't, the answer for me is easy. Nobody should be able to force someone else to terminate their pregnancy. It's the scenario where the father is the one who wants the child that's difficult. The father's wishes shouldn't override the mother's, but I can't see how they should be dismissed completely. When I said that someone else shouldn't be able to force a woman to have an abortion, I'm not thinking in terms of "it's her body" although that's part of it and it's the primary argument made by most people on the subject of abortion. I'm thinking of the reasons that a woman might want a baby and the loss she would feel if she got pregnant and then lost it. If a woman got pregnant and wanted the child, and then somehow was forced into aborting it, I'm sure the loss and emotional pain would be about more than what was done to her body. It would be also about the loss of her child. I'd say the man could feel the loss of his child just as much. And, I can't think either pain is more or less than the other. So, for me, the answer is just not easy at all.
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
3 May 08
No not easy at all, your basically forcing someone do do something they don't want to do or to take away a child from a father.
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@chiyosan (30184)
• Philippines
2 May 08
i think the fathers can always give their inputs, but of course whether the father wants the baby or not, majority of the decision should be coming from the mother, after all she is to carry the child and deliver it... every right to keep the baby is with her too... i of course, think that men should be given the right to fight for these unborn child, in court especially if the mother has the intention of aborting the baby...
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
3 May 08
It would make sense that the dads would have a right to fight for the life of the unborn child, but since the woman carries it (like you said) it would be hard to tell someone to do it.
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@dmillman (2273)
• United States
3 May 08
I think that no person should have an abortion unless she got pregnant through rape/incest. Too many people abuse abortion and use it as another form of birth control. I hate to break it to everyone but once you're pregnant, you're pregnant. It's cruel to the child, that has no say in the matter to just kill it. I'm a female and my husband and I don't want any children. If I accidentally got pregnant though, I would NEVER kill the baby just because I didn't want it. God obviously has different plans for me if that's what happens. Why would you mess with what God obviously wants for you? In a world where it seems to be legal, I think that the father should have some rights too. She didn't get pregnant on her own - no immaculate conception there, right?
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
4 May 08
That's my opinion on abortion. I'm pro life until the aspect of rape or incest comes into play. Lol to the immaculate conception comment!
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
2 May 08
There shouldn't be control over who gets an abortion. However, there should be an opt-out option in some cases for potential fathers that don't want it, similar to how there are several choices for potential mothers that don't want it (abortion, adoption, abandonment/safe-haven). In an opt-out option the father is absolved from responsibility and no one tells the mother what to do, that simple. For the case of the pro-life husband, its very difficult. Again, a person can't forbid an abortion, but one would hope the two would talk about a situation like this (ideally BEFORE conception...) I do appreciate the scenario you've presented AnimeMom. On one hand the mother doesn't want it, but the father does... I've seen this several times, albeit in varying situtations (recently one with adoption) http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=2075 (http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=2075) In the end, I don't have a complete answer to the situation either. Its her say, but I've also seen fathers in similar situations simply lose the children they wanted.
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
2 May 08
Wow great reply thanks! opt-out options are the better way to go. It just doesnt seem far to the father to lose a child that he wants. But i cant see the court system actually forbidding someone from getting an abortion either. Love your picture by the way, what anime or manga is it from?
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
2 May 08
Thanks for the input. The idea is also floating around on the internet and it does deserve some thought by society. I will say that courts and the state can be quite a nuisance to parents and children... almost sadistic in some cases. I remember reading about children not actually being the "property"/responsibility of the parent, or something of the sort. My avatar is from the visual novel Shuffle! (Later made into a manga and anime) The character is Kaede Fuyou.
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@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
2 May 08
Wow thats a tough one! At first I want to say that he shouldnt and doesnt have the right to stop her from aborting for several reasons BUT its very possible that the law/courts may feel differently...HOwever I have to admit that if a court were to side with the husband I would be very disappointed for several reasons actually..
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
3 May 08
It is a tough one! It's a super sticky situation because as a woman i wouldn't want a man telling me I had to have a baby, but as the child's potential father that's half his genetic material your talking about killing.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
3 May 08
It is part his genetic material. I do not believe in abortion because not only is it killing a child, but because well why is it when a woman wants an abortion it is her choice and she has a right, but if he wants to kill the unborn, he is a greedy selfish son of a bi*tch and the only reason he does it is so not to pay child support? I do believe that he wants the baby and he is not a selfish son of a bi*tch and he wants to support the child. I do believe he has a perfect right to prevent the abortion. I think it is the same with adoption, if a girl gets pregnant and wants to give the baby up, they should inform the father so he can agree or not agree with the adoption. After all if a man wants to raise the child in either case, he is a good man as far as I am concerned. And he usually has a mother, sisters, or aunts who will show him the right way.
@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
4 May 08
It's a crazy system!
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
3 May 08
well, I think in some states if you are married, even if on the verge of a divorce, and you want to be sterilized you must get the approval of your spouse, so what is different here? not much. It is his kid too. What if he wants to raise it? I dont think it is fair to men, that just because they cant carry the baby that they do not have any say until its born, it is just as much his kid as it is hers.
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3 May 08
I can see from your point of view, but is it fair for the woman to be forced to carry the baby, undergo the stress, the pains, and not being able to have the same physical and social freedom as she had before for 9 months? the father may want to raise it, but it isn't him who would have to put up with that. Just my two cents
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3 May 08
It would be very hard for the father... and to see what is technically your child be killed? but on the other hand, he can't FORCE the mother to endure all the pains of pregnancy, having to cope with all the stress, not being able to be themself etc. After all, he is not the one who has to carry the baby for 9 months, is he?
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
4 May 08
It's tough on both sides, I do agree, someone is not going to be happy with either outcome.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
3 May 08
ohmy ask an easy one lol good discussion. this needs the wisdom of Soloman. I think she should have it and let dear old hubbyhavee it if he is so gung ho on her having it. I am rather pro life myself and unless she is ill see no reason for abortion in her case as she and hubby did the deed and thus should take care of the seed so to speak. If she was willing to have an abortion then giving the child upr for adoption should not bother her at all. for one thing he would have to pay her alimony and child support lol.
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
3 May 08
HA, yea i know, it's tough but i really wanted to see what people thought. My hubby and I couldn't come up with a perfect solution to this problem. Unless the invent a way to take a little fetus out of one woman's body and some how implant the already attached fetus into another's.
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@Clash123 (10)
• United States
3 May 08
Thats a tough one, I think it really should be up to the woman. But you never know.
• United States
3 May 08
As a man I feel we should have the right to have her keep the child, it's only fair.
@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
3 May 08
Understandable.
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• United States
3 May 08
I think the father should have the choice after all the woman can have it and turn all rights over to the father. If she doesn't want the child that is fine, but that baby whether it is born or not is half his and he should have the same rights to it. I think that could do a lot of mental damage to a man, and if anything she should have to pay for any therapy he may need. Women who think it is right should think about this: how would you feel if you were pregnant and excited about having a baby and your husband(who you are divorcing) didn't want to pay child support, so he decides he will do something to you that will kill the baby. Is that right? No he would do prison time, So why is it right for a woman to abort a baby when the father wants it?
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
4 May 08
To true!
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@Stiletto (4579)
5 May 08
No I don't think the father should have the right to prevent a woman from having an abortion. Of course it's a shame if the man genuinely wants a child (being "pro-Life" doesn't necessarily mean he does) but it's her body, the woman has to carry the child and ultimately give birth. There's no way round it and that's why she has to have the final say in the matter. I do think ideally the man should have some input into the final decision but I don't think he should have the legal right to stop an abortion if that's what the woman chooses.
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
6 May 08
understood! It makes sense, it's just sad.
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
7 May 08
Let's face it this is one of those situations where the men get the shaft. Even if the courts did say that she had to have the baby what is to stop her from having the abortion. any way. If she really didn't want to carry the baby she could get long before this came before the courts. The woman may just not want to carry a baby for nine months. Face it for some women it is a very difficult time. In my opinion there should be some way that the father could prevent the abortion. Some times we women can be so selfish. Some people both men and women think that they live on a island by them selves and don't think that what they do affect all those around them.
@shannon76 (1232)
• United States
5 May 08
No he can't do it. But I do strongly believe that if it was consenting between two adults, that the father should have rights.
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
5 May 08
It seems like he should have rights, but how hard that would be to make someone carry a child they didn't want.
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@shannon76 (1232)
• United States
5 May 08
How hard would that be for a father to have no say so? Literally, the life of your unborn in the hands of mother.
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• United States
9 May 08
It really wouldn't be that hard. If he wanted the child bad enough, and the mom wasn't willing, or tried to cause harm to herself or the unborn baby, there are ways he could go about getting her committed. Lock the lady up in a mental hospital for 24 hour surveillance and monitoring. It has been done before by court order. I mean think about it, if a mom got busted three or four times trying to drown her infant in the bath tub, what would the authorities have to say about that. I don't see the difference.
@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
5 May 08
While it does take two people to cause a pregnancy, I firmly feel that the male has no say when it comes to pregnancy. My reasoning for this is basically that from conception onwards, it is the woman who has to 'deal with it' as far as the pregnancy goes. She's the one who's got this thing growing inside of her, so it's her choice if she wants to get rid of it, period. Another way you can look at it is that technically they have equal say, but when it comes down to it, the man's influence cannot 'reach' far enough to ever force a woman to take a pregnancy to term against her will. It's the same principle of rights as is exemplified by the saying "your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." A man's say can't ever take control of another person's body like that, so in the end, the woman still trumps him, so to speak.
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
6 May 08
Wow very well put!
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• United States
6 May 08
I believe that if the husband takes it to court, and he wants to take care of the child alone, the law can forbid her from getting an abortion and actually make her carry the child. P.s. I love your icon.
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
6 May 08
Hi Lucky! House fan as well? I cant get enough of that show! I think one day it might happen, where the law can forbid a woman from having an abortion.
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• United States
9 May 08
That's scary! I hope you have had your tubes tied or something to prevent that from happening again. But really, that's not the way you presented it. If for any other reason the medical necessity, would you consider an abortion ok? And if you didn't have this medical concern would your opposition to another child be as strong?
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@phoenix25 (1541)
• United States
7 May 08
This is really a question of human rights. In the United States, I don't think that any court would side with a husband that was trying to force his soon-to-be-ex-wife to have his child. In a country where we like to talk a lot about freedom, this would definitely be putting a damper on the woman's rights as a human being. They would be giving the wife no choice in the matter and that is not really something that should be done. If the husband did insist that the wife have the child, I would want some kind of written agreement that the husband would be the sole provider of the child and could not put the child up for adoption or ask another family member to raise it. However, it really is up to the woman whether or not she feels like going through the entire pregnancy and giving birth to the child. It is ultimately her choice and I think any court would agree.