Our rights being stolen!

@clrumfelt (5424)
United States
July 20, 2008 6:19pm CST
I am listening to an item on CNN about how they are allowing illegal aliens to vote in elections here in the USA! This is a big problem. These people have NO legal rights in our country. They are breaking the law just by being here, they are consuming vital US resources that are being denied to citizens because there's not enough available and they are choosing the leaders of the USA! They are here and do NOT pay taxes. This is so unjust. Whatever happened to INS doing their jobs and deporting a few million illegal aliens!" I needed a good rant after hearing that story. Thanks for listening.
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25 responses
• United States
21 Jul 08
What can I tell you? Some things are so stupid as to defy belief. Yet, there are citizens who think it would be mean to deny these illegals the vote, free education, and free health care.
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
Mexico is a very needy country and the USA has a lot it could share, but we should take care of our own first and not be coerced to "share" our resources by force.
@mommyboo (13198)
• United States
22 Jul 08
I absolutely agree. We need to take care of AMERICAN CITIZENS FIRST. This is the bottom line. I don't see anything else even remotely fair about not taking care of your own citizens of your own country first. What we are doing as a country is akin to a family deciding that instead of paying their own bills and mortgage and car payments and for their kids' school stuff and sports and doctor visits to take their money and go throw it in the street in the ghetto section of town. Really. What the heck?! Do you really think a family would do that? Probably not. But our government is doing that!! We need to stop doing anything to help these people who are not legally allowed to be here. They are not american citizens. They should not get ANY help whatsoever until EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN CITIZEN has what they need, food, shelter, a job, an education, health care, a chance to better their life. When this is done, then we can begin to help those who are not supposed to be here - but in return they have to take steps to become legal, or again the help should be withdrawn. Totally.
@coffeebreak (17820)
• United States
20 Jul 08
They also are allowed to take our jobs, our social security, our welfare benefits and our medical accomodationg - while US citizens do without all of the above. Voteing is just the icing on the cake. IT is totaly disgusting but the liberals are the ones that are allowing it to happen as they fight everything anyone trys to do to stop it - like the border wall. Now canoers are complaining about that as it conflicts with their little leasure time sport and it is holding up the border wall!
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
20 Jul 08
We elect Congress to protect our liberties and it is sad that they are giving them all away. If they stand to gain votes in the election from illegal voters, I suppose they will continue the pandering. I hope when the next Congressional elections come about, the voters will "clean House" and Senate, too.
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@fwidman (11515)
• United States
20 Jul 08
If they are allowed to register to vote, then they get to vote, it's a simple thing really If you don't want them to be able to vote, get the Congress to change the way registration for voters is done
@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
By the existing laws they should not be able to register to vote. The problem is that so many election offices are turning their heads and allowing them to register without proof they are naturalized citizens. It appears that in a short time it won't matter anyway because the USA is about to erase the borders between the USA, Mexico and Canada.
@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
Backtracking, I have found the transcript of the meeting where this NAU plan was supposedly planned, and there was a lot of imphasis on the cooperation of the USA, Canada and Mexico securing their borders and catching terrorists and criminals who try to cross. I hope they really do something instead of just talk about it. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050323-5.html
@mommyboo (13198)
• United States
22 Jul 08
When you register to vote, you have to include driver license information. I would propose that illegal aliens should not be allowed to get a drivers license. I do not see what is so hard about becoming LEGAL. There are so many people who aren't, it's just like going into a store and stealing something you want because you don't have the money. Why not go do a job for somebody and earn the damn money, THEN go to the store? GRRR.
@jerzgirl (8027)
• Gloucester City, New Jersey
22 Jul 08
If you're talking about the Culinary Workers Union in Nevada, the union stated that about half of their members are immigrants. It is Lou Dobbs who claims they are illegal aliens. Being an immigrant and being illegal are NOT the same thing. Illegal aliens, the vast majority of them, DO PAY TAXES. They may have false identification, which employers can't always tell are false, but taxes are taken from their wages just like from yours and mine. They DO NOT GET THIS MONEY BACK!!! How do I know? I used to work for the IRS. Unless they are also using the name of the person whose SSN they're using, that money is frozen in the tax account because it kicks out as a name mismatch for that social security number. ALL personal taxes filed are matched against Social Security rolls. If that name isn't the one on file, that return is frozen. The money is still in the general fund, the Medicare taxes, the social security taxes, the income taxes - it's all there. But, the people who paid it can't get it back. They're illegal. So, in a strange sort of way, their money actually boosts the general fund of the United States. Now, if they have actually managed to purchase documents that are in reality stolen identity documents, there will be another problem at the IRS. First of all - the odds that both people of the same name using the same social security number living in the same part of the country are slim, so both tax returns will be filed for, let's say, 2007. Whichever one goes in first will be refunded (if there's a refund). Then when the second one comes in, it will kick out as a duplicate and someone will manually begin to investigate. Letters will go out to both addresses, etc. If the agent is paying attention, he'll see the filing patterns of the real person and will raise a red-flag on the new addressee. They will investigate. If they find the person, they will arrest them. Thirdly, many times, the people simply don't file their returns. The money just sits there in the general fund. So, in about two years, the employers payment records get loaded into the IRS systems and get matched against what was claimed on the tax returns. The computer says, "hey - this guy made way more money than he claimed on his return" and that information is forwarded to the "under-reporter" department. The tax examiners there then look over the information. Most of the time, it is easy to tell that someone else is using their social security number and it isn't unreported income, but illegal aliens using that SSN. The legal filer doesn't even know it was looked at because there is no question. But, once in a while, the illegal person has the name of the real person and then letters go out to the real person asking them if they've ever worked for this person or worked in this state because it's different than the one showing on the report. There are occasions where a person did a temp job across country and completely forgot - but most of the time it's easy to see that one person cannot work all year on opposite sides of the country. So, once that's worked out, the legal person's account is fine and the illegal person's account is separated out and that money again is in the general fund with no one getting a refund. They'll send investigators out to see what's up, but all I dealt with was the returns - I wasn't a field rep, so I just know it went to them next. At any rate, illegals CANNOT vote and will NEVER be allowed to vote. AND, the majority of illegals DO pay taxes (unlike my ex husband who is legal, but doesn't report his income), but they are unable to benefit from refunds. Illegals are NOT permitted to be on welfare - but a child born in this country IS eligible for assistance - for them only. If you have a link to the CNN story you saw, could you post it? I found nothing for recent Lou Dobbs shows - I just found the one on the Culinary union in Nevada from April, I think. I'd be interested in seeing just what he said even recently after being called on the carpet for that one.
@irishidid (8714)
• United States
22 Jul 08
They are claiming all the exemptions they can on the W-4, which I believe is 5. If they were being honest about it they would owe taxes because the correct amount would not have been taken out. They get their W-2s and simply throw them out. The IRS only sees what comes to them, not what is going on outside. I was self employed for several years and if I hadn't claimed it the IRS would have never known.
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@mommyboo (13198)
• United States
22 Jul 08
They don't get welfare? I really believe a lot of them are getting welfare, cash aid, food stamps, WIC, section 8 (subsidized housing), medicaid (medi-cal in my state) and other help. I'm not sure how they are doing this, probably with driver's licenses OR ID cards from the DMV, which I also think ILLEGALS have no right to be able to have! If you do not have a driver's license, then you should not be driving a car. Also, you need a driver's license to get insurance on a car, and you should have a license in order to purchase a car or home. I don't think this is mean, if they want to be here illegally, then walk, take the bus, and rent an apartment. If you want to have a better life, go take care of your paperwork to be legal. Otherwise, get out.
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
23 Jul 08
I couldn't find a link on CNN.com for the story. I heard it on the TV on a live news broadcast. They were discussing how the election workers avoid asking for their immigration papers claiming it will put a hardship on true citizens and deny some of them their rights to vote. I don't agree with their logic on that. The story said it wasn't happening very much, but how do they know, if they only investigated a couple of election offices in Texas?
@Celanith (2334)
• United States
21 Jul 08
First of all I think you have to register to vote in most states and it is required you be a citizen to vote. However I agree the illegals should not be given all these resources denied to legal US citizens. Medical is one of the biggest things US citizens living on the poverty line lack and illegals are given this without a blink. I can't get help, my brother was literally turned away from a free Clinic run by Mexicans here in The Dalles, Oregon. The young Mexican woman said they were not taking any more new patients. He needs his blood pressure tested and put on meds and his unemployment ran out. He can't get work until he gets the meds and it is under control. As he walked out he heard her ask another Mexican woman if she was new and when she said yes, the woman gave that lady paper work to fill out so she could see the doctor. I told my brother to contact Salem and let them know that reverse discrimination against his race and gender was being done. This clinic is funded by Oregon state. Because my brother looks white and is male he was turned away. This is wrong he is a US citizen born here. Not only that he is part American Indian, French Canuk and Blackfoot as well as French and Scotch-Irish. I did not think Free clinics could turn anyone away it is a walk in clinic. Someone was lying
@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
And they wonder why so many American citizens don't want them here!
@mommyboo (13198)
• United States
22 Jul 08
A friend of mine who got threatened and kicked out by her ex husband had a really hard time getting any transitional housing aid and cash aid so she could get gas for her car to get to job interviews - and we are pretty sure it's because she is white too, even though she is bilingual (english and spanish). We live in CA and we are overrun by hispanics and you can bet that a homeless hispanic gets aid immediately! It was really frustrating when she couldn't, and her ex had also threatened to kill her, which is why she had to get help!
• United States
21 Jul 08
Do WHAT? Sorry, they are illegal and have NO rights here and NO right to be here, legally. Either pack 'em up and send them home or make them pass a citizenship test ( in English) and pay taxes, then allow them to vote. No more, no less! Problem solved. But no! DC can't keep it simple and do the right thing because someone is lobbying for the money men all the time.
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
I'd like to see the day when the US will adopt a tough immigration/naturalization program and actually enforce it! It seems they think it's too much trouble to bother with, but we will all pay for their inaction.
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@littleowl (7157)
20 Jul 08
Hi circumfelt though I live in the UK I can undersatand you being so upset about this as we too have that problem...to be honest I donn't think there will ever be an answer to what you are saying even though so many of us oppse what is happening in our countrys...the only country that I think is more strict with these laws and don't allow people like this in is Australia...their laws are very strict about this-your friend littleowl
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
20 Jul 08
Thanks for your reply littleowl. I agree it is a problem without an answer. I'm sure INS is overloaded with doing their job, but it seems there could be more done. Maybe if they were diligent there wouldn't be so MANY illegal aliens taking people's jobs and meddling in our affairs(yes, if they are voting illegally they are meddling.)
@Kat4676 (474)
• United States
21 Jul 08
Can't blame you for ranting. It took us a long time to make our Country what it is today. It seems as if none of Congress even cares what we think anymore. They seriously need their heads checked out on this. INS just does what the politicians tell them to. Either way they make more money than upper class people so, what do they care if our rights are being unjustly given to others? Politicians and the rest of them just care about money and not our Country.
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
I have heard rumors the USA is trying to erase its borders between the USA, Canada and Mexico. So far just rumors, but the ones reporting say there has been a media blackout and it is being done out of sight. Snopes.com lists it as mere rumor. I have been hearing it for years, however, and wonder if they don't want to secure the borders or deny American rights to illegals.
@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
Backtracking, I have found the transcript of the meeting where this NAU plan was supposedly planned, and there was a lot of imphasis on the cooperation of the USA, Canada and Mexico securing their borders and catching terrorists and criminals who try to cross. I hope they really do something instead of just talk about it. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050323-5.html
@kerriannc (4280)
• Jamaica
21 Jul 08
You are surely not welcome.This is the most stupidness I have ever come across since putting interest in America Politics. America Voting is done by electronic and if you are not a citizen you cannot vote. Your voting system was adopted by our country and was used in the past three elections and was successful. So that news on CNN is false and misleading. My friend do not get high blood pressure. Maybe they were unable to received some good headlines and putting false information sometimes tends to grab person to watch the other uninteresting news item. As to the illegal aliens, every country has this problem and it will not go away anytime soon. Maybe when China is in the position that U.S.A. is in now then the aliens will start to migrating there.
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
Snopes.com listed this as rumor, but since there has been a media blackout, I wonder where they are getting their information. I know people tend to trustSnopes without question, but I am not ready to throw my reasoning away because something is reported there.
@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
Backtracking, I have found the transcript of the meeting where this NAU plan was supposedly planned, and there was a lot of imphasis on the cooperation of the USA, Canada and Mexico securing their borders and catching terrorists and criminals who try to cross. I hope they really do something instead of just talk about it. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050323-5.html
@ShellyB (5244)
• United States
20 Jul 08
Something else to ask Congress about. If illegal imigrants are allow to vote, it is because the goverment thinks it is convenient for them. (I also heard somewhere in the news that recruiting men from Mexico to the Army is ok and legal)
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
Plans are almost complete for the USA to eliminate their borders with Mexico and Canada, so then it won't matter where on the continent they are from, they will have full "rights" like everyone else...or maybe not, because the US Constitution will also be rewritten.
@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
Backtracking, I have found the transcript of the meeting where this NAU plan was supposedly planned, and there was a lot of imphasis on the cooperation of the USA, Canada and Mexico securing their borders and catching terrorists and criminals who try to cross. I hope they really do something instead of just talk about it. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050323-5.html There was not a media blackout at that meeting.
@myklj999 (16944)
20 Jul 08
WTF??!! That is just so wrong! (Not what you are saying; but that it is happening.) How are these people even being allowed to register to vote? That's crazy!
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
20 Jul 08
They are being allowed to register for the vote because the election offices haven't required them to produce naturalization papers. The offices say it would cause difficulty for the real citizens to be able to vote if they required all of them to show the papers, but in my opinion these election offices that let them slip through are not doing their jobs and if they are caught they should be fired.
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@mommyboo (13198)
• United States
22 Jul 08
Well, if they did not let illegal aliens get drivers licenses, they would not have a legal form of ID and if they were not born here in the US, they would not have a birth certificate either - unless they became a citizen and had naturalization papers.
@TantrooM (61)
• United States
22 Jul 08
On one hand I can see why you're angry that a person is working a hole in the government system, however my greater concern is the government itself. It has grown too big, and take too many taxes out of those who pay. It also delves into the privacy of taxpaying citizens, while obviously it ignores illegals enough to not know they are illegals. If it were the case that illegals were getting the SAME benefits as us, I wouldn't care, it would be a sort of perverted historical justice since we swindled and beat the land out from the Native's feet centuries ago. It's the fact that they get MORE that is somewhat disturbing, and that some of their backgrounds might not be to come and raise a family, but to blow up a few. I would hope that the government concentrates on those first... murderers before thieves I believe. Of course, when I read the title I thought you were talking of the government taking away our rights, I guess that gives them more reason to ignore the problem. Long as you're concentrating your anger on a group of people other then themselves they can take all they want. Sort of like Hitler distracted his people with Jew hatred.
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
22 Jul 08
We lose our rights when government gets too big to demand accountability. Someone in a lower level government job doesn't do their job and lets illegals slip into the voting booth along with everyone else. In this case the election workers were complaining that if they required all families to show their papers it would place undue hardship on the true citizens and in some cases deny them of their rights to vote. It sounds like a bunch of horse hockey to me, like maybe they are just too lazy to do their jobs right.
@mommyboo (13198)
• United States
22 Jul 08
Ugh! This really bothers me, I do not think they should get to vote, they should NOT get driver's licenses, social security cards (or anything LIKE a social security card), free health insurance, welfare, food stamps. If you come here, have the guts to come here legally and become a citizen! THEN you can qualify for all the help that a citizen has the right to here!
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
22 Jul 08
As illegals they should not have the same rights as citizens. They really are stealing whatever they come over here and get at taxpayer expense. And they can do whatever they want and keep their benefits without accountability because they "don't exist" as far as the US government is concerned.
@irishidid (8714)
• United States
21 Jul 08
As a democrat I'm planning on voting republican this year simply for these and other (drill darn it, drill!)reasons. This touchy feely attitude the democrats are playing at is really getting out of hand and the US is going to hell in a hand basket because of it.
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
23 Jul 08
I agree they need to stop playing politics and do what it takes to protect our rights and take care of our economy.
@anniepa (27238)
• United States
21 Jul 08
I'll admit to always being a bit confused when I hear or read some things about illegal immigrants, such as they're allowed to vote, collect Social Security benefits, get welfare benefits and get health care. I understand nobody can be turned away from an ER in a true life-threatening emergency, so I guess the assertion that illegals are able to get health care is at least partly true. I've looked it up about them receiving Social Security and I haven't been able to find anything to confirm that they can, and since someone who was born and raised here has to wade through an ocean of paperwork to get the benefits they've earned I find it hard to believe that an illegal could get it. I find it hard to believe that they can get welfare either since that's not easy to get for those who really need a temporary helping hand just a short time in an emergency. However, I was surprised to see there may be some illegal immigrants that are indeed being allowed to vote since apparently this is handled on a local or county level. I'm unclear as to whether they can vote in national elections or just in local ones, but that probably varies from place to place as well. Whatever the case, it certainly isn't fair since if someone isn't a U.S. citizen they shouldn't be able to help choose who runs our government at any level. My answer to, "Whatever happened to INS doing their jobs and deporting a few million illegal aliens!" is this - they're not doing their job because too many employers with deep pockets don't want them to do their jobs because they'd no long have cheap laborers at their disposal. I'll bet some of the most vocal people against illegal immigration are the same people who hire them on a regular basis for low wages and no benefits. They talk a good game but they sure don't walk the walk. Annie
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
22 Jul 08
I have always felt the employers who were looking for the cheap labor, people who they could pay substandard wages and not have to pay in unemployment benefits, etc, were mostly responsible for the illegal alien problem. These, along with the workers who let them vote alongside true citizens should be called on the carpet and prosecuted for tax evasion fraud and a host of other infractions of the laws they make by having illegals as a cheap source of labor and not taking care of them in the proper way. I suspect they don't want these workers naturalized because then they'd have to pay them decent wages, take out taxes on them, etc. So it keeps the illegals under the radar, but also in poverty and without rights.
@Hatley (164507)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Jul 08
circumfelt that is the same feelings I have had for ages, they are here illegally yet we let them vote,preposterous, send them' back home, they are in a sense criminals and here close to my own town, in another town Santa Ana they have taken over the town and brought with them their teen age gangs who love to kill other gangs and have drive by shootings in which women and childrenhave also been shot, every day this happens and its all mexicans in the gangs, send them back to mexico.
@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
22 Jul 08
I agree. INS(and the national guard, if necessary) should go to that town and pack up a few illegal aliens every day and send them home. This shouldn't be allowed in the USA, to have a group of people blatantly breaking the law every day and no one doing anything about it.
• Ireland
21 Jul 08
Well is that not something to do with the Northern American Union? I am surprised that so many Us people are not aware that the Union had been passed, that Canada Mexicao and Us are joined like the European Community. Effectively, the US does not exist as a solo nation, just like in the EEC we have to be care full of our identity thus the most recent vote, Lisbon vote was defeated in ireland, as we do not wish to have the ECC to make decisions for us in the future. But we have a vote, I was told that Us citizen were not only told about the North American Union, but had no say in the agreement at all. So my question is have Mexicans and Canadians now have the free rights to come and work in the US? as that is what it says? Bush started this 3 years ago and the only news item I ever saw about it was a clip from CNN on you tube, where the news reader was shocked that this agreement was passed. Fill me in what you know about it. Cheers
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
The North American Union, it seems, was a big rumor put out by the current administration's political opposition. I read the transcript from that meeting and the emphasis was on each country securing its own borders and working together to apprehend terrorists and criminals who try to cross them. Here's the link to the transcript. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050323-5.html
@CharRay7 (1549)
• United States
21 Jul 08
Hi This is terrible that the US is allowing illegal aliens to vote in elections here in the USA!. That's not right at all. If they are illegal, how are they getting voting cards without getting arrested. I've heard that they take our jobs and do not pay taxes which is ridiculous. They have no right to vote in our elections!! Char
@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
I completely agree. It is a vicious cycle and no one seems to want to do anything about it.
@bmorehouse1 (1029)
• United States
21 Jul 08
Oh my God! Don't even get me started on illegal aliens and all the rights they have. They drive better vehicles than we do for starters. They don't pay taxes because they don't have social security numbers. They live in our country and expect us to treat them like US citizens. It is sooo wrong! Now all our packaging not only is in English it is in Spanish as well. It didn't used to be that way! The majority of them don't even speak English, but yet they get all the benefits that they can. I know one young Spanish couple that are not married, have two children and neither one of them works. He will work for a few weeks and then quit. Then they go to different agencies to get help! That is not right. I hope the story about them being able to vote is wrong. I think we are no longer the United States of America. Instead we have become the United States of Mexico!
@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
It's not right. If you are aware of how that family is manipulating the system, why isn't INS aware enough to deport them and stop the madness? They aren't doing their jobs, obviously.
• United States
21 Jul 08
Well why shouldn't they get to vote, they have more rights than we do. I don't think we have too much to worry about though, I don't think many will take advantage of this because they will be afraid of being caught and deported if they register. At least that's why not as many protested this year. I still can't believe any of them protest.
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
21 Jul 08
They DO have more rights than we do! They consume our resources for free and every citizen is required to pay income tax each year. They definitley are freeloading on our dollar without any accountability.