Sarah Palin's e-Bay Sale of Plane Doesn't Fly!

@anniepa (27955)
United States
September 5, 2008 5:38pm CST
One of the biggest applause lines for Governor Palin during her VP nomination acceptance speech the other night was when she told of how she didn't feel she needed a luxury jetliner so she sold it on e-Bay at a profit. I just heard today where McCain had said that was HIS personal favorite part of her speech. There's only one slight problem - the story isn't true. Yes, she sold the plane but it didn't sell on e-Bay and it didn't bring a profit; it was a private sale to a campaign contributor. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-palin_planesep05,0,3470364.story Does anyone else find it ironic that among the things that have so endeared Sarah Palin to the public is this bogus claim as well as her "Thanks but no thanks" response to Congress regarding earmarked funds for the Bridge to Nowhere, which is also not entirely true. I've finally found something that I agree wholeheartedly with the Republicans about! McCain and Palin really do make quite a team, they're perfectly suited for each other like two peas in a pod! Maybe before the election Palin will agree to take questions from the press and from voters but the more I learn the more I understand the McCain campaign's reluctance to let her do so. Annie
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@dizzblnd (3073)
• United States
5 Sep 08
It was a joke. It shows she's human and has a sense of humor. I thought it was funny, because I didn't take it at face value. If people are going to equate that to a lie or an "untruth" I am sure we can go back in history on all republicans, democrats, independents, and "other" who have told a little white lie as a joke
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Sep 08
"It shows she's human and has a sense of humor." I hate to say this and I know there will be those who will really disagree with me here but while I didn't think, and still don't think this particular thing was a joke I did see enough evidence of her brand of humor to know I'm not impressed with it. I'll be the first to admit I'm not the most objective person in the world but I think she's a bit too condescending for my taste. She made a big deal in her speech the other night and then repeated it word for word on the stump today about Obama's community organizing but apparently nobody explained to her that what he did years ago was nearly identical to the "faith based initiative" type thing that Bush has been so pleased with and has spent a considerable amount of our tax dollars for. She also touts her experience as mayor but her town is about half the size of mine and our mayor earns about $2000 per year and also works another full time job. Annie
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• United States
6 Sep 08
I didn't realize that anyone was dense enough to think it was a joke. I guess some people took it as a joke because the audience laughed? OMG. Pay attention, people. She did not tell it as a joke. And it was half true; you know those half-truths republicans are famous for? McCain himself got applause when he re-told the story, saying that she sold the plaine on eBay and even made a profit. Both of those things are lies. She put the plane on eBay, it didn't sell. She later sold it at a loss. These are facts, not rumors. But it was never intended as a joke! Wake up!
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
6 Sep 08
OMG Did you know you are in politics? lol I have never seen you venture over here before LOL
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
5 Sep 08
Yeh, I know. apparently it never sold. It ended up going to an auction and sold for a loss. still I think it was a pretty good idea to try even if it didn't work out. It wasn't really a "bogus" claim, the fact that she tried it and just the fact that she got rid of the damnn thing, even at a loss, is a good thing to me.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Yes, it was really "bogus", especially since her spokesperson insisted the transaction had indeed occurred when contacted the day after her speech. It also hadn't been that much of an extravagance according to the article I provided the link for. It was used to transport prisoners, not just to haul the Governor around as she'd implied. Annie
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
6 Sep 08
yeh it was usefull, lots of things are, doesn't mean they aren't luxuries. Either way, I had said I already knew it didn't wind up selling on ebay and that it went to another auction. so? I still don't understand what the controversy is.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
5 Sep 08
It's going to be really hard to separate the facts from the reality about Palin over the next few weeks. The Feminist groups and the incompetent press are in "we will kill or die before we see a Conservative Republican go down in history as the first woman president" mode. They are going to say and do anything to see that it doesn't happen. While I'll comment on stories like this, I rarely base a vote on them. Yes, it will be disappointing if this turns out to be true. However, short of felonies, they usually don't sway me much.
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• United States
6 Sep 08
Parated, I see you are in conspiracy mode, "the incompetent press are in 'we will kill or die before we see a conservative republican go down in history as the first women president' mode. Fist off, if McCain is elected Sarah would become the first VICE PRESIDENT, not president. Secondly, I never heard you defend Michelle Obama while the right wing press, and the republican party were attacking her. Are you saying that it is ok to attack Michelle Obama, but it isn't ok to attack Sarah Palin? Sounds to me like this is what you are saying.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
6 Sep 08
The incompetent press never went after Obama's kids. Michelle Obama is a grown woman who became an outspoken part of Obama's campaign. She can't expect to be able to speak at rallies and have her words not scrutinized. Even as it was, the incompetent press was easy on her. Yes, I did meant "vice president" instead of "president", thanks for pointing out my error... but other than that, it still stands. What I see from both Obama and Palin when it comes to criticism, Obama reacts with defensiveness and plays the "victim"... so far I haven't seen either from Palin... of course, time will tell.
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• United States
6 Sep 08
"The incompetent press never went after Obama's kids. Michelle Obama is a grown woman who became an outspoken part of Obama's campaign. She can't expect to be able to speak at rallies and have her words not scrutinized." Michelle Obama is not running for office, ParaTed. Barack Obama is. Are you saying that it's fair to scrutinize Michelle Obama, but not Sarah Palin, who is proposing to be Vice President? As far as I can see, Sarah Palin is a grown woman, too. She can't expect to speak and not have the same scrutiny applied to her.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
5 Sep 08
"One of the biggest applause lines for Governor Palin during her VP nomination acceptance speech the other night was when she told of how she didn't feel she needed a luxury jetliner so she sold it on e-Bay at a profit." Annie, I don't know where you heard this lie, but it wasn't Palin that said it. Her EXACT words, as quoted in the very article you used, were: "That luxury jet was over the top," Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, said to loud cheers. "I put it on eBay." She didn't claim she SOLD it on eBay, and she CERTAINLY didn't claim she sold it at a profit. It was a used plane that had made several trips. See if you can get the same price for a used car that you've been driving for a year. The point was that she sold the plane and she did put it up on eBay, even though it didn't successfully sell there.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Sep 08
If I was in error in quoting her convention speech, I do apologize, but I really think I heard her say somewhere that it had sold at a profit and her spokesperson claimed that it had sold on eBay the day after her speech. I DO know that McCain DID claim that it sold at a profit, I heard that clip several times today. The jet wasn't used to transport the Governor around, it was used for prisoners who were being moved to other states. I still think when you couple this with the Bridge to Nowhere fiasco, her whole straight-shooter rep kind of falls by the wayside. She was for the bridge, actually campaigned on it and she took the $300 million from the federal government and still has it. I'm sure there have been or will be attempt to spin their way out of this one too. Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Well the project was dying, had a bad rep, so she ended it. Congress decided to give her the money to spend on other projects so it's not as though the money was accepted under false pretenses. The money they did give her wouldn't have been enough to finance the bridge anyway.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Oddly I checked two sources and nothing seems to verify the claim that it was used to transport prisoners. I'm not saying it didn't happen since it was reported by your source, but it just isn't mentioned in the sources I've checked. http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/background/story/203814.html http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/691/
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• United States
7 Sep 08
I am a Republican, and have stated in other discussions, esp. Parateds, that I was stuck not knowing who to vote for this election. I am very interested to see what comes out about our Miss Sarah. I am not one to just follow the party line. What I don't like is the fact that some of you here were ready to stone the lady over the airplane comment at the convention, even had she said she sold it on ebay, which has been established she didn't. Put that against Hillary's, getting off the plane while being shot at, and O'bama's, In 20 years I never heard him say that, and it is like putting cotton candy to vinegar. If it turns out Sarah is gonna tell half truths, or out and out lie, I will be the first one to call her on it, as I have with McCain, but I truly am hoping I finally have a candidate in this election, I can trust and believe in. If it had been on the Democrat side I would have voted Democrat for the first time in my life, that is how disappointed I have been with the candidates that have been forced on us this time. I think we should all set back, stop with the nit picking things, and wait for the fact's to come out, then we can agree to disagree again. Blessings Marilyn
@jerzgirl (9234)
• United States
7 Sep 08
Marilyn, I agree with you. I was THRILLED that Hillary didn't get the nomination. She didn't "misspeak" - she bald-faced LIED about the tarmack sniper shooting and other stories. And, no, Ms. Palin didn't lie about posting the plane on ebay. She simply left out the remainder of the story allowing the crowds to think she DID sell it there. Even her own campaign staff believed the transaction had taken place on ebay. I don't understand why she didn't then say, but the sale didn't go through, so we sold it in a private sale. It didn't take that many more words and there would be no questions asked about ebay. Yes - it was a good thing that she was willing to try using ebay. No fault there one bit. It shows a bit of creativity with how to unload excess and/or unnecessary luxury government property. It was just the way she left it that became the problem. Not the idea of it. And, I don't vote straight party line, either. I vote for the candidate that seems to best match the position for which they are running.
@4magoo (396)
6 Sep 08
Oh my gosh will the lies never stop. I can't believe that she would think no one checks up on the things she says. I am afraid that Alaskan politics is a lot less under the microscope than is presidential politics. One thing this brings out is the question of integrity. If you stretch the truth on small stuff, can you trust what they say on larger things.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Sep 08
4magoo also believes the claims made about her by the Enquirer so it's not worth trying to explain the truth to him.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Task, I think we should be pals here. What say? :o) Maggiepie
@soccermom (3198)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Annie, this discussion looked like soooo much fun I had to pour myself a cocktail and jump right in! LOL McCain and Palin deserve each other. And when ya get right down to the nitty gritty your discussion opens up a whole plethora of questions about her. I am personally astonished that she refuses to talk take questions from the media. And that McCain was okay with this just tells me that if he is elected we will have more of the "secret government" that we've been dealing with for years. What the heck is she hiding from? I mean it would be different if that campaign had said they were taking a different approach and instead of fielding the media questions they were going to have a televised Q & A where everyday people would get to ask her questions. But we haven't seen any of that either. Just to throw a little more fuel on this fire, here's something a little out there...but my hubby and I both had the same thought. (And really this has nothing to do with politics) But...are we the only two who were waiting for "Hot for Teacher" to start playing, Palin reaches back and pulls her down, tosses her glasses, a pole drops from the ceiling...oh you get the idea...LOL
• United States
7 Sep 08
Hilarious response!! Obama has more secrets that any politician in this campaign. His whole life is shrouded in secrecy. Thanks for the laugh that is about all I got out of this whole discussion.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
7 Sep 08
Whiteheather, you took the thoughts right out of my BRAIN! How DARE they call HER secretive, up against...Nobama?! Talk about a JOKE! Laffin' my tuchus off, here! In fact, ROTFLMBO&PIMP!!! Maggiepie (write me privately if you want a translation for that. MyLot won't let me print it out.)
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@newtondak (3946)
• United States
6 Sep 08
I just love how, whenever a candidate makes a speech, it is picked apart word by word. They can't even be humorous or make a joke without someone making something of it. I prefer to concentrate on the bigger issues and what they're going to do about those!
• United States
6 Sep 08
Amen!
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@newtondak (3946)
• United States
7 Sep 08
I also think that part of the problem is that everyone listens to and agrees with everything that the television and radio broadcasters say - which mostly is their point of view on the matter - instead of thinking on their own and making their own decisions.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
7 Sep 08
DOUBLE amen! It's largely the Left which does that. I ought to know; I used to BE a Democrat...knew them inside out. Then I grew up. I'm HOME, now, among sensible, fun-loving adults! Yayyy! LOL! Maggiepie
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@nitesh512 (153)
• Nepal
6 Sep 08
To tell the truth I found that the Palin speech was very insulting to me as an Obama supporter maybe to some independent as well. The speech started off nice with a family background then she went on to attack Obama. infact I think the most part of speech was dedicated to attack Obama which i didn't like it. I ws begining to like McCain but now i am full Obama supporter and proud to be one. I don't mean to insult others. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/994910/john_mccain_vp_a_big_risk_or_blunder.html http://www.nitesh123.blogspot.com
• United States
6 Sep 08
"...this man's opinion of me does really matter." Should read "...this man's opinion of me does NOT really matter." Spell check doesn't catch everything=).
7 Sep 08
I think the point is she sold the plane to cut costs. Hmm, I wonder if the Chicago Tribune is "in the tank " for Obama like the rest of the print media. No doubt ! After all their now famous community organizer has been greatly criticized, and rightly so by Governor Palin. I'm sure in regards to the bridge she was for it, until the it became obvious that this project was a bad allocation of tax payers dollars. She set the example that democrats and republicans don't have the since to follow.
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@jerzgirl (9234)
• United States
7 Sep 08
The fault isn't in the selling of the plane. The article mentions how it's cheaper to use Air Marshals than a private jet. The fault is implying that the plane sold on ebay when it didn't. She never finished the story, but instead allowed the crowds to believe it sold on ebay.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
6 Sep 08
What I find most ironic is the fact that Conservatives jumped all over every whisper/gossip/rumor about Obama and now Palin's life is off limits. Funny how that works. Oh, well I guess that's why I sat on the fence for so long and voted the person not the party. It is all so upsetting. I just don't understand what is wrong with her past that they are so afraid of "us" finding out about?
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Sep 08
"What I find most ironic is the fact that Conservatives jumped all over every whisper/gossip/rumor about Obama and now Palin's life is off limits." Well I didn't jump on the gossip and rumors about Obama. Neither did most of the conservatives here with some exceptions that will remain nameless. I'm also not against people clarifying Palin's claims as she has told a few half truths. The eBay claim however, is completely true. She said that she put the plane up on eBay, and she did. In her speech she did not say that it sold there, only that she put it there.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
6 Sep 08
As you notice I didn't touch on the plane because I haven't been listening to anything today except for left radio and it wasn't talking about the convention.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
6 Sep 08
I don't know it just seems weird.
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• Nepal
7 Sep 08
You are right and I hope they will win it definately so there is no any confusion. The palin team will win. John is my hero and more when he raised palin to the vice . so i am watching american election curiously.
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@jerzgirl (9234)
• United States
7 Sep 08
God help us if they do. We'll need His help more than ever!
@banadux (630)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Are you sure it was a loss? I mean really it was a waste to begin with so getting any money back out of it was better than keeping it around. Sometimes you just have to make the most of the situation you are in.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Sep 08
It had been owned and used for two years before it was sold. Nobody could expect to make a profit off such a thing. It was also costing the state over $60,000 a month in payments just to have it sit in a hangar.
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• United States
6 Sep 08
The article that was linked doesn't say that she "sold it on Ebay". It quotes her as saying "I PUT it on Ebay". It didn't sell there, but so what....it DID sell and she was able to make the point that SHE didn't have a use for it. And about the plane being used to transport prisoners, we've transported worse on our airlines - which also cart famous, well known celebrities and leaders around in 1st class....All riding on the same plane, but with different missions. Heck, if you don't remember, we've even been known to transport a few insurgents...not to mention other criminals we will never know about. A plane is a plane is a plane is a plane - no matter who it carts around Right? Maybe that part of her speech wasn't meant to be a "joke", but I'm sure she was happy about the laughs it brought anyway. Okay, I've got a confession to make -- at the risk of not getting any more friend requests........I've been known to stretch the truth, over compensate and "butter up" my words from time to time in order to impress. There, I said it. Are me and Palin the only ones out there who show signs of HUMAN NATURE? Go take it out on the guy who sold you that car you're driving....I'm sure he made things sound a little better than they actually were to get that sale. IS THAT ALL THEY'VE GOT????? Enough with the petty stuff.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
7 Sep 08
"I've been known to stretch the truth, over compensate and "butter up" my words from time to time in order to impress." I think everyone has been, as far as that goes, but tell me HONESTLY, would you be so generous if it were Biden who had stretched this kind of truth and Obama who had stretched it further? Annie
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
6 Sep 08
It really does not bother me. People sell anything on E-Bay and maybe she thought it would sell or maybe she was pulling our leg. Anyway I am glad a woman like that will be vice-president if McCain wins. At least there will be a woman who is for traditional family values and pro-life. I am sick and tired of all the feminists who want to kill babies in their womb. Please let there be a traditional woman in charge. If Obama gets in, in thirty years, you will have someone like me writing and telling of the baby they could not have or adopt. And if they have a good memory, they are going to remember. Oh and if the gas prices go sky high because Obama will not allow off shore drilling, remember you picked him. By the way, I am Canadian and I never voted for someone who was pro=abortion.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
7 Sep 08
Fiona08, bless you, bless you, BLESS YOU!! You nailed it! I'm so sick of this argument and of some people insisting on turning every single political post into an anti-choice post!! GRRRRRR...lol! Obama has said repeatedly he wants to do as you said - work together with the anti-choicers to help prevent the need or desire for abortions. I've been hearing Democrats from Jimmy Carter to Bill Clinton and beyond say abortion should be "legal, safe and RARE" with the emphasis on the "rare". Suspenseful agree with people who aren't in the least bit interested in adopting any baby that isn't newborn and that irks me to no end. I've seen so much in the job as a letter carrier, how many families that take foster children more for the money or anything else and how they get shuffled around and never adopted because they're "too old" or "not perfect enough". Unfortunately but obviously many of the babies who would have been aborted would fall into that "not perfect enough" category because they may be minorities or their parents may not have the ideal genes or they may even have had problems with substance abuse or whatever. So let's let them grow up in a cruel world of sickness, poverty and no proper education and see how they feel in thirty years! Annie
@fiona08 (454)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Suspenseful, Do you really know of a single feminist who "wants to kill babies in their womb" ? Come on, you know people are not pro-abortion. Pro-abortion means you hope people get pregnant and abort because you really like terminating pregnancies. Pro-choice people (wether or not they are feminists) only want women who find themselves in a desperate situation to have the choice to decide for themselves what their body must go through. Annie already covered all the areas of misfortune that may fall on a child born to a mother who is unable, financially, emotionally, physically, or mentally to give it a proper upbringing. Don't pretend for a moment that those babies would all end up being adopted by loving and wonderful families. We are all pro-life, meaning we hope for people to live happy and healthy lives, and we hope all pregnancies will be made under healthy and happy circumstances. But the fact remains there will be poverty, rape, incest, illness, and other causes that mean women need a choice. So, many of us believe that it is the right of any woman to decide. Maybe if all the pro-lifers would join us in educating our youth about birth control, and making it accessible to women in poverty stricken areas, we could make a serious dent in the amount of women who need to make the choice, in the first place.
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@pismeof (855)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Annie,If you listened to Sarah Palin's speech ;She said that she put the Plane up for sale on E-Bay.She didn't say that it actually sold on E-Bay. Just like the leftist media you Democrats love to spin and spew falsehoods. One thing you did get right is McCain/Palin are like two peas in a pod...Together they will stand up to lobbyist and the pork-barrel spenders and shut them down.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
6 Sep 08
AMEN! I am soooo JAZZED about the race, now. Everything's in place. Ignore the leftists yapping at your heels. They're going to lose, & THAT'S why they're so "pis'dof." LOL! Maggiepie
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
6 Sep 08
Holy *grumble* KRAP! is this STILL? going?????
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• United States
6 Sep 08
She's not starting off honest, now is she? I laughed today when I heard about the plane on the news. I watched the special tonight with Campbell Brown on CNN. It was enlightening to say the least. One little lie, another little lie and another...how many lies are they planning on telling? lol No matter what you post, though, her supporters will say it's only a small thing; it doesn't matter. I don't get it. The same people would be all over Obama if it was his small lies we were talking about. Yes, I agree, Palin and McCain are perfectly suited for each other. Now we know what he meant when he called her his "soul mate"! lol
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Sep 08
It's not a small thing, it's just not a "thing" at all because she didn't lie. She did put it up on eBay exactly as she said. She never claimed it sold there and despite Annie's post, Palin NEVER claimed she sold it for a profit. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/691/
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Sep 08
I haven't seen his statements yet, but the fact is, her words were accurate. If McCain said she sold it on eBay for a profit, then obviously he was wrong. I don't know if he was mistaken or lying, but obviously that's not the case and I knew that even before she made her own speech.
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• United States
6 Sep 08
She left it to be understood that she did sell it on eBay. She didn't say, "I put the plane on eBay, but it didn't sell. So I sold it later." Come on, you're a librarian...you know the power of words. McCain, however, is another story. He did lie. He said she sold the plane on eBay at a profit. What's his excuse?
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• United States
6 Sep 08
She did not say she "sold" it on ebay, she said she "put it on ebay". Where it sold is not the point, the point is that she was decreasing government frivol ways. People are so quick to judge and pick the speaches apart and input words where they did not belong. Let her be. Let the chips fall where they may. The voters will decide who they like best.
• United States
6 Sep 08
What a surprise Annie, Sarah Palin lied to the American people. I found an article that ties into this story. Alaska received $150,000 to pay the travel bills of state and fisheries industry representatives on the boards that implement North Pacific fisheries agreements. I wonder how much it would have cost them if they used the states jet that she sold, and why is the state of Alaska paying for the travel of fisheries industry representatives? I guessed the she isn't as "reformed" as the GOP would like us all to believe.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Well she didn't lie. That's been established beyond any doubt. She said she put it up and eBay and she did. She didn't claim that it sold on eBay because it didn't. "Meanwhile, the state is stuck making quarterly payments of about $62,000 on the Westwind II." http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/background/story/203814.html That's a lot of money just to OWN the plane. It doesn't even take into consideration the cost of pilots, fuel, or maintenance and repairs. There's a lot of upkeep involved with a plane especially in a state like Alaska that does not present a very hospitable environment.