What Does a BEAUTY PATEANT Have to Do With Politics???

@anniepa (27245)
United States
May 14, 2009 3:01pm CST
Seriously, why would I start a discussion about the much maligned Miss California in the politics interest? I know that question is coming so I thought I'd address it preemptively. I apologize for answering a question with another question but... WTF IS SARAH PALIN DOING ISSUING A STATEMENT ABOUT A BEAUTY PAGEANT CONTESTANT??? http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/05/14/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5013652.shtml "Palin said that Miss California Carrie Prejean has been the victim of a "liberal onslaught of malicious attacks." The governor added that the beauty pageant contestant had been attacked for expressing her opinions, something Palin called "despicable." "Carrie and I spoke soon after the attacks started; I can relate as a liberal target myself," she wrote. The Alaska governor, a former beauty pageant contestant herself, made no mention of the topless photos in her statement." (End of excerpt) Palin also mentioned that she and Carrie shared the same view on gay marriage as President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton. Shouldn't she have more important things to do? Annie
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@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
14 May 09
I personally think that standing up for a woman's right to free speech is pretty important. Certainly you care about women's rights don't you? We've clearly established that the National Organization for Women, and the many feminist organizations don't give a danm about women's rights, so we needed a strong woman with the guts to speak out on this issue. Either way while pageants themselves aren't typically political, women's rights and the 1st amendment are very political issues.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
14 May 09
Oh that contestant would not have been attacked and she would not have had anyone stand up for her because it seems being in favor of same gender marriages is more politically correct and that covers a multitude of sins.
@anniepa (27245)
• United States
15 May 09
So I guess you're saying Sarah wouldn't have jumped to the defense of this fictional contestant in this fictional situation...lol! By the way, what does any of this have to do with a woman's right to free speech? Even if they would have taken Miss California's crown away that wouldn't have been a violation of her Constitutional rights. If it's against their rules for a contestant to have posed for topless photos then it would be within their rights to take her crown away. Annie
@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
15 May 09
"So I guess you're saying Sarah wouldn't have jumped to the defense of this fictional contestant in this fictional situation...lol!" I'm saying it's an impossible hypothetical that you proposed. How am I to evaluate how she would react to something that couldn't possibly happen? They smeared and attacked her to punish/prevent her from exercising her right to free speech. Nobody would have done that if she'd given the PC answer. If it was about topless photos and not her opinions on gay marriage then why didn't anyone ever attack Miss Rhode Island over this photo? http://www.mylot.com/w/image/2187230.aspx
• United States
14 May 09
the only reason palin said anything is because in 4 years she wants to run for presedent so she thinks if she gets on peoples good side now that will help her then but i hate to bust her bubble it's not going to work because a lot of people don't believe a word she says because all she does is lie i seen it way to many times, i think she needs to stop worrying about beauty pageants and start takeing care of her son who she likes to pass off to her daughter all the time.
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• United States
14 May 09
thats not what i mean every time i see her she hands off her son like as if she don't even want him or something.
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• United States
15 May 09
She would make a much better speaker of the house than Nancy Pelosi. At least she would be honest at any cost.
• United States
14 May 09
No it shouldn't but they do ask political questions during the contest. Like about gay marraige. Which opens it up to a political debate sense the contest is on TV and the news talks about it. She said what she thought. And everyone has been talking about it. Which opens it up for everyone else to talk about including political figures. Gay rights like it or not is a political matter. I don't think it should be. Why should the rest of us get to vote on and make a political platform off of deciding wether or not a group of people should have the same rights as everyone else? That never made sense to me. But hten people would say that is political opinon on the thing. Personally I think the beauty pagants need to either stop asking political questions or deal with the media blow out from if they do. ANd really when the ask those questions then it is just a matter of the person that is most politically correct wins.
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• United States
15 May 09
I have not watch one in a while and maybe that is why they are starting to ask edger questions. Spice things up get people talking to get the ratings back up. Maybe this whole things was a huge publicity stunt and we all fell for it.
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@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
14 May 09
"Palin said that Miss California Carrie Prejean has been the victim of a "liberal onslaught of malicious attacks" Because she has been. *shrug
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@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
15 May 09
Care to explain what rights have been violated, Kenny?
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@anniepa (27245)
• United States
15 May 09
That's what I've been asking! WHAT rights have been violated, somebody PLEASE tell me! Annie
@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
15 May 09
I didn't say her "rights were violated", only that she was in fact hit with a "liberal onslaught of malicious attacks"
@ElaanR2 (277)
• United States
16 May 09
Miss California had a right to free speech and she exercised it. Perez Hilton has a right to free speech and he exercises it. The media has a right to publish whatever they consider to be news and they exercise it. The people have a right to condemn whatever media houses don't pander to their beliefs and they exercise that right. The truth of the matter is that Miss California spoke out on a social issue but we are all social beings and each and everyone has a right to comment on social issues, politicians and all. Having said that, let me add that I find it strange that Christians as conservative as Miss California and Sarah Palin did not find it abominable to contest in beauty pageants. The body, which is supposed to be the temple of God, is put on show and human beings, who should be grateful to God for creating that beautiful body, take credit for it. But the conservatives, being true to their hypocritical nature as they have been since the time of the pharisees, will overlook this 'unimportant' point and focus on condemning gay marriage. As it was in the beginning, so shall it be, world without end....
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@ElaanR2 (277)
• United States
18 May 09
I was appalled by Perez Hilton's reaction to her response and I'm glad that as a Christian she didn't go down that dirty path. However, I still believe that a contest that puts the body on display is a contest that anybody who was raised to believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman should avoid. Not all Muslim societies force their women to cover the whole body in public. In fact, some Muslim communities are more sociable than many of the Conservative Christians I know. I don't think Miss California was wrong to answer the question the way she did. I have nothing against beauty pageants and I have nothing against gay marriage. I believe in the old adage 'live and let live.' I believe also that a beauty contest is the highest altar of vanity and is therefore not a place for anyone who professes to be a conservative with regards to religion.
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@irisheyes (4373)
• United States
15 May 09
The irony is that most liberals could care less about beauty pageants. They stopped even watching even Miss America 25 years ago. Pageants are only kept alive by their right wing fans and that's why they are making such a brouhaha over this Miss California thing. Since when is Perez hilton considered a liberal leader? I thought he was a Hollywood gossip columnist.
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@anniepa (27245)
• United States
16 May 09
Excellent points! I'm not a particular "fan" of any of the so-called feminists' groups but it's clear why they haven't jumped to Miss Cal.'s defense - they consider beauty pageants to be demeaning and degrading to women to begin with and I tend to agree! You're right about Hilton; I never heard of him being "political" at all unless I've missed it since I'm not a regular viewer of the gossip sites and shows. Annie
@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
14 May 09
What I want to know is what is this bull crap about women's rights? No one violated the woman's right to say what she believed. She had a right to say what she said, she said it, and the guy who was judging for a PRIVATE organization judged as he pleased. Regardless, Palin is playing the victim card. The beauty queen had a right to say what she said, and her critics have a right to criticize. Palin needs thicker skin.
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@anniepa (27245)
• United States
17 May 09
Thanks, Latrivia for making such perfect sense! Have you noticed nobody is answering the question about how this has anything to do with women's rights? I know I'll get it for this but I think palin has been playing the victim card for a long time now. Annie
@megumiart (3781)
• United States
16 May 09
I think Sarah Palin is totally just stealing every bit of spotlight that she can. And I think they try to ask all kinds of questions to beauty pageant contestants, even if all of them don't make it on TV or to the media, just to get a well-rounded view on the tupe of person a contestant is.
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@bestboy19 (5482)
• United States
17 May 09
I don't think issuing a statement is going to take that much time away from her duties as governor of Alaska.
@anniepa (27245)
• United States
17 May 09
OK, I'll give you that but why should a governor and a former V.P. nominee get caught in the fray over a stupid beauty pageant? Doesn't Sarah have to keep her eye on the Alaskan sky in case Putin rears his head...lol? Annie
@bestboy19 (5482)
• United States
18 May 09
Why should Governor Palin get caught up in the fray over a stupid beauty pageant? That is something you should ask the Governor herself. I would wonder why the question of marriage came up in the first place. What does it have to do with the beauty of any of the contestants? After all, Miss USA is a, "beauty", contest. The question becomes, "did Miss Prejean lose because she wasn't the most beautiful or because she wasn't politically correct?" Sarah Palin is acquainted with both beauty pageants and politics and has been attacked by "malicious liberals", so she understands how Miss Prejean might feel. I can only guess why Governor Palin made a statement on the matter. I suppose it was in support of Miss Prejean. With the media being so liberal as it is, she might have thought Miss California wouldn't get a fair shake. Maybe she wanted us all to see how petty some people (particularly liberals)can be.
@anniepa (27245)
• United States
18 May 09
Who was the most beautiful is certainly subject to opinion and I suppose each of the judges had their own standards, right? The question really has nothing to do with her "beauty" or "poise" or whatever it is they're looking for, in my opinion, but my point is something like this seems like it should be beneath the dignity of a politician who is allegedly considering a run for the Presidency. Especially when her remarks include the mention of her own experiences as a "victim". Annie
@sierras236 (2740)
• United States
14 May 09
Probably because Sarah Palin can relate to the vicious attacks that the Miss California endured. After all, Sarah Palin was the victim of many vicious attacks before she even said a single word or gave a single speech. I believe that Sarah Palin is merely showing her support for a fellow sufferer of vicious attacks as mentioned by your quote. It became political the moment Perez launched the first personal assault. The media sure didn't help things. I applaud Sarah Palin for supporting Miss California. I think it shows that a disturbing pattern for extremism politics just because they don't happen to like something someone says. Just like this discussion shows a disturbing pattern that you don't like Sarah Palin because you continue to launch attacks for something so NORMAL. People who have been through similar situations often reach out to express support, or offer advice. What is so wrong with Palin offering her support? As for your question, I think it is so hypocritical. You could be asking the same question about Congress. Like doesn't Congress have more important things than to do than throw taxpayer money away at failing car companies or pushing us further into debt?
• United States
15 May 09
Sarah Palin was attacked widely on the internet the instant her name was made public. All of those rumors about her daughter and her baby spread rather quickly before the truth came out. She hadn't even given an acceptance speech. Miss California was clearly attacked for her views. Photos being photo-shopped is a clear attack. With such a hot media topic, it doesn't surprise me that the Governor made his point. California is in trouble financially and frankly any publicity is good for them. That is why the Governor spoke. Sarah Palin reaching out is a normal reaction for most people who feel that they have been through the same thing. I applaud her for doing so. Once again you choose not to attack her on a legitimate political issue. Where are the feminist groups? Where are all of those people who are for women's rights? Silent.
@anniepa (27245)
• United States
16 May 09
"Where are the feminist groups? Where are all of those people who are for women's rights? Silent." Taskr, feminist groups don't have a lot of time for beauty pageants. Really, what does any of this have to do with feminism or women's rights? Are you saying that those who run organizations that hold stupid beauty pageants don't have the right to set their own standards and make their own rules? I think Donald Trump set this all up to get more attention drawn to the Miss USA contest. Miss California is such a "victim" she will now be making millions whereas without this "scandal" and these "vicious attacks" she'd already be totally forgotten. Annie
• United States
17 May 09
Maybe the better question would be - Why did the liberals attack Prejean so maliciously that Palin felt it necessary to make an official statement in support of Miss California and her Constitutional freedom of speech. After all, it was just a beauty pageant.
@anniepa (27245)
• United States
17 May 09
If Palin felt this had anything whatsoever to do with Prejean's Constitutional freedom of speech she's even dumber than I thought she was. What "liberals" attacked her to begin with? Don't say Perez Hilton because he's not a political figure at all, he's a celebrity gossip columnist or whatever you choose to call him. Annie
• United States
18 May 09
You don't have to be in politics to be a liberal. Contrary to what you believe, Sarah Palin is not a dumb person. She recognizes a liberal's MO when she hears it and it's a liberal's MO to viciously attack anyone who expresses a belief that is contrary to theirs. They don't believe in freedom of ideas. Their ideas are the only ones that matter. Therefore, if Miss California expresses a belief that is not in line with their believes, she has to be vilified. Except for the most courageous, the politicians must remain silent for fear of losing votes. "Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others." - William Allen White
@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
14 May 09
A beauty pageant should not have anything about politics, but when that little creep attacked Miss California because she believed in traditional marriage and was against same-gender marriages, the vicious attacks on the young lady began. Personally Miss California should have been questions on those photos taken when she was a teenager and they were excused, not threatened with being kicked out of the beauty pageant because she did not believe that same gender marriages were right. And even though Sarah Palin may have held different opinions, she sympathized with the vicious attacks the young lady received or Would you rather have Miss California been attacked more and had no one to stick up for her?
@oneidmnster (1389)
• United States
14 May 09
She stated her opinion.What's wrong with that?Just because some gay guy that has a website gets mad,does that mean anything to anyone?I guess some people aren't happy with people telling the truth.