What is it with Italians?

@p1kef1sh (45681)
July 26, 2009 1:35pm CST
Some of you may know that I spend part of my time working as a Guide at a well known British cathedral. We have many nationalities visit over the year, but the summer months attract groups of teenage students from mostly the UK, US/Canada, France, Germany and ITALY. Italy is awash with wonderful churches and cathedrals and of course the Vatican. When you visit these places in Italy, they are often busy, but still retain their tranquil and spiritual atmosphere. Groups of students file round in well behaved groups. But when the Italian student group hits Britain they turn into something else. They shout, run about, fight, play music and drop litter. Today I broke up a fight between two Italian boys and a girl, one of the boys was slapping the girl's face and was put out that I stopped him from doing it. We have a very modern baptismal font that they like to use for water fights and drink from. I am singling out the Italians here deliberately. Other national groups have their moments too, and nobody like a British football crowd. But these are young people from a very religious country visiting a cathedral in another country. But nobody is as downright ill mannered and boorish as the Italians. I wonder how it is that the country that is the cradle if Roman Catholicism can behave in such a way when abroad. Please note that I am ONLY talking about student groups here. Italian adults are charming and extremely well behaved. It's just their children that drive me (and others) to near madness. I don't expect them to be angels, but to show a little respect isn't asking too much is it? Rant over. Comments please.
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• Denmark
26 Jul 09
I really do not know. Maybe you have just been unlucky? I do not believe ALL italian students are like that. I have been to Italy many times - and all the Italien students seem like nothing more different than all us other teenagers in Europe and all over the world.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
26 Jul 09
Of course you are right. It is only a small number of Italian students that misbehave. But they do it in a particularly memorable way.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
26 Jul 09
It's probably like letting pigs into mud for the first time on a hot day. They've never been able to wallow before and they instinctively know it will cool them off so they run for it. If Italian youth are as you say, they've been penned up all their life and they see the wallow with no boundaries! They've just got to try it and push the limits. That might be what you're seeing. You have my sympathies!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
26 Jul 09
I am sure that what you say is essentially correct. It's just that they've been driving me nuts for the past 3 weeks but today's slapping incident really brought it all to a head for me.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
26 Jul 09
"It's just that they've been driving me nuts for the past 3 weeks" That's a pretty short drive, sweetie!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
27 Jul 09
Well this driver saw nearly 3,000 people come in over the weekend. That's heck of a coach load! LOL.
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
26 Jul 09
Hi Mr. Pike! When I saw your title I had to come and take a look and sure enough there something to chew on here As you know I am in Italy but I'm not Italian. I have been here long enough to be considered one but I am still aware of the things that amazed me when I arrived here compared to how I thought life would be here. Let me explain that, yes, Italy is considered a Catholic country and that to me suggested that Sunday should be a day of rest - they play all the league football games here on a Sunday Italian students are not all rowdy but many of them, because they are teenagers, are so. Respect is very lacking in the last generation of Italian students. They don't give up their seat on a bus, they overtake with their scooters even on a level crossing and 'old' people have one foot in the grave as far as many are concerned and given no consideration at all. I will comment her on what I read on the other responses too: Italian kids are for the most part very spoilt. They have the latest clothes and the latest cell-phones (yes because most have more than one) and are definately not 'penned up' all their lives. School uniforms are non-existent and they had to bring out new rules to inform them that no electronic euipment would be allowed in the end of year exam rooms. Anyone caught would have to resit the exam - next year. Most of them go out ver the week-end (which starts on a Friday evening). I often think it was their parents who allowed them so many of the latest tech stuff that has caused the economic situation that many families complain of now. If a child of 10 has a cell-phone, who is topping it up? They do have a hotter temper and they are 'right' about everything. They are Italian and they are led to believe by the media that Italian is 'in' all over the world. When I return to UK twice a year I can pick them out anywhere - in the towns, in the queues and on public transport - and not only due to the clothes they are wearing. They are different from how I expected them, especially the last batch and, sadly, the future is grim as most think they will have evything provided for them - though manners seem to have been an option. You want to come here Pike and do your job in an Italian cathedral? Here they are silent while they admire everything and take their litter to the nearest bin, which is something that was only an English habit when I moved here. Weird world indeed!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
27 Jul 09
I am sure that all those factors apply. They come in, take a few photos then go hyper! Of course it's not all of them, just a minority. But some really do not know how to behave. Often their leaders/teachers leave them and go for coffee. That's even more exasperating as there's no one to call to get them to behave!
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@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
26 Jul 09
Italian students turn into something else ... yes, Australians! Bwahahahaa! No offence to all other Australians out there, but I went on a tour of Europe with a coachload of fellow Aussies when I was 21, and was appalled at them filling their handbags, pockets and socks with bread rolls, croissants, cold meat, etc., from the continental breakfast every morning, so they wouldn't have to buy lunch later - bwahahahaa! I was SO embarrassed. At least they didn't resort to violence, but there WAS a bit of argy-bargy for the last apple danish! (And none of them were students, either ... they were mostly retirees!)
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
27 Jul 09
Just confirms that we do become kids again as we age Must remember that too
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
27 Jul 09
Hmmmm. I've done the breakfast trick Guy! But I've never fought someone and certainly never slapped a girl in a cathedral (the latter anywhere). Holland Village in the evening in Singapore was an interesting place to watch young Australians at play. Friendly, but boy they could be noisy! LOL.
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@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
27 Jul 09
Hahaha - glad to hear it's not just an Aussie thing. You couldn't do that with a British breakfast ... imagine having your socks full of porridge and kippers! No, slapping a girl in the cathedral would be very painful. It's a particularly tender place.
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26 Jul 09
Hi p1key, I am part Italian myself but I never behaved like that when I was young, my mum would have killed me, lol!! I don't think they respect our country or cathedrals or they weren't brought up properly, well I just don't know whey these youngester woud behave unruly like that but you are doing a good job keeping them in line, well done to you, gosh! I can't imagine our p1key being so stern. Hugs. Tamara xxxx
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
27 Jul 09
I think that there's a general lack of respect for people and places these days Tamara. Not just by Italian teenagers either. I just wish they they would remember that they are not in a playground. I can be quite grumpy if I have to be! XXXX
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@dolphin2406 (1224)
• Poland
26 Jul 09
Hi, my country is very near Italy and we get many visitors from their country. But first of all I want to say that we get a lot of students from different countries that come to learn English and most of them are make havocs and not any particuar group since they are still students and apart from studying they are mostly interested in sea and partying in the evening. When I used to work in a restaurant the Italians were the most that I didn't like since they are very demanding and all the time wanting something, also they don't spend much, like share a bottle of water between six people. The young boys are more interested in charming the girls to get their way with them and for that I don;t like them much. But then I love their country for great food and many places of interest and culture. We are Mediterranean and it is said that our temper is not as that of the British or other countries where people are more calm and indifferent at certain points. We tend to get more angry and are more spontaneous in a way though very welcoming, generous and helpful. Have a nice day!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
26 Jul 09
I have nothing against Italy or things Italian. I am simply annoyed by the bad behaviour of their young people when they are in the Cathedral. A place that is supposed to be held in some reverence. We have many visitors 80-90% of whom are not there for religious reasons, but they don't behave as badly. That's why I am a bit cross.
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@pumpkinjam (8539)
• United Kingdom
26 Jul 09
Perhaps it is because they are angelic while at home so they come here to behave badly. Maybe they think our football hooligans are normal and that's how they are expected to behave!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
26 Jul 09
LOL Maybe they think that is how we behave Pumpkin. Perhaps it's being let of the leash for a change.
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@littleowl (7157)
28 Jul 09
Hi p1ke, the only thing that comes to mind here about Italian teenagers is the fact they all have a versatile temper even the aduts do and that temper can fire at any given moment..apart from the older and wiser adults, but teenagers as their hormones are all over the place can be awful at that age...LoLo xx
@mikeysmom (2088)
• United States
27 Jul 09
this kind of behaviour is ill mannered to say the least and i am an american of italian decent so i read your rant with an open mind. you have made your point but i could have done without your comment about italians being "boonish". i could banter that the english are 'arrogant and stuffy" but i won't.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
27 Jul 09
Sorry. I meant that these students are boorish. Not Italians generally. I do make it very clear later on that I find Italian adults charming and very polite. I also lived a month a year over four years in Italy when I was younger and never found Italian young people then as poorly behaved as I find them now. I would say that the English are arrogant and stuffy, some of them. We also produce some of the most obnoxious and violent sports fans in the world. But then so do other countries. My point is that the behaviour of these young people is inappropriate for the surroundings and is not a comment or a suggestion that this is a national trait displayed by the whole nation.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
27 Jul 09
If you are suggesting that I am "arrogant and stuffy" then be my guest. You are very welcome to come over anytime and join in the guiding and marshalling. Just let me know and I'll meet you at the airport.
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
27 Jul 09
Many young people today have a disdain for structured religion. Some are raised by parents that did not attend services regularly, others are disillusioned with everything going on in the world today. That still doesn't give excuses for that kind of behavior. My guess is that in their own country they behave better simply because they are afrain word will get back to parents or other authority figure. Visiting another country there is less likelihood of that. Another point is to look at todays music, comedy, games and movies. What we grew up with is nothing like what kids today are exposed to. Prior generations may have thought that the Beatles were bad...but they were NOTHING like todays heavy metal and rap music.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
27 Jul 09
I don't mind if they care less about the religion, there are others that do and a church or Cathedral is a place that ought to held in some reverence, especially when it's 750 years old. Contrarywise I took a group of Californian girls (all teeth and big hair) round on saturday and they were a pure delight (and not just because they made my pulse race! LOL).
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• United States
26 Jul 09
It may just be that they have so many restrictions at home that they feel the need to let out all their built up frustrations and emotions somewhere where their family might not find out. After all while they are not with their family students do tend to let go and become ill mannered slobs whether they're from a good or not so good family or society. Any student just wants to have fun and when away from the nest they tend to think that they don't have to follow all the rules which once constrained them... that or things are changing in the country so that the next generation isn't as nice as the previous.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
26 Jul 09
There is having fun and being disrespectful. A cathedral is supposed to be a holy place and not a playground. I don't expect them to all be saints; but a little decorum wouldn't go amiss.
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• China
27 Jul 09
Why not pervent them from!!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
27 Jul 09
Oh that we could.
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