What is the "Carbon Footprint" of a Wind Turbine?

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
July 28, 2009 6:04pm CST
Yesterday I was on the freeway in Ohio. Traffic was bottle-necked for miles due to 4 "wide load" semi and their escorts. That made me wonder something... If every wind turbine requires that many vehicles to transport. Combined with all the extra fuel burned by all the vehicles running 10 to 15 miles per hour slower than normal (which traffic control experts say drastically increases the pollution spewed into the air). Add to all that the carbon footprint of manufacturing, sales, and erecting the things. Multiply all that by the number of wind turbines there are, or have been ordered... How much higher are we willing to have pollution go up in the short run, in hopes of a some possible reduction in the long run?
5 responses
• United States
29 Jul 09
Ted, it all depends on the speed limit on the expressway. If you are driving on an expressway who's speedlimit is 70 or even 65 then you would be traveling at 60 - 55 which, as I am sure you know this, is the optimal speed for fuel economy. At that point the wind turbine actually saved the world, and you money. I drive by a place that has 3 giant turbines, and they were installed 10 + years ago, and they have never needed to be moved since, so if this is normal than I am sure their footprint is not much at all.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Jul 09
That is true for individual cars, but when you bunch cars together and a slower rate of speed, you are putting more pollution in the air. So while each car might be getting better fuel economy, cars bunching up behind the convoys are creating higher levels of pollution. Both should be taken into consideration though.
• United States
29 Jul 09
Ted, using your logic then we shouldn't build another nuclear power plant, or coal fire power plant. They both created huge traffic jams, and cause huge problems for our enviroment, and the world.
@N4life (851)
• United States
28 Jul 09
I don't know if studies have been done that determine the exact carbon footprint of manufaturig and transporting wind turbines on the scale that is planned. The thing is coal plants must be almost completely replaced about every 50 years and they must have coal mined and brought to the boliers (in giant trucks that I go at least 10 to 15 miles per hour slower continuously), where once the wind turbine is in place, no new fuel must be shipped in. The comparison seems moot. No one seems to bring up this argument when it comes to development of high rises, shopping malls, condos, etc...which all utilize resources and increase total carbon footprint with obviously no benefit down the line. My university did several studies on their carbon footprint through implementing the largest geothermal heating and cooling plant in the country (currently under construction) that is replacing a coal plant and the carbon footprint and monetary savings are astronomical. Longtime Republican Senator Richard Lugar, is actually one of the main reasons the project is happening. I am helping to organize his collegiate energy security summit, where all types of alternative energies will be discussed, including wind.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
28 Jul 09
Actually, the assertion that cities and companies need to be aware of the carbon footprint of building, replacing and updating is what made me wonder about wind turbines. Greenies demand "carbon neutral" plans from cities and companies, but don't seem too interested in the same standards for themselves. I say, if you want carbon footprints to be the standard, you first! Show the rest of us how it's done. When our examples are celebrities who refuse to practice what they preach, massive concert festivals where everyone flies in on private jets, and "the comparisan is moot" when someone wonders how much fuel is being used up, and how much pollution is being spewed for a single wind turbine... then I have to wonder how much the greenies really care.
@N4life (851)
• United States
28 Jul 09
I agree with everthing in the above comment Ted,except when I say "the comparison is moot" I am refering simply to the carbon footprint of coal plants compared to wind turbines, considering all things from extraction to utilizations and I stand by that statement. Too many "greenies" want to live one way and think they can justify it by simply buying carbon offsets (Al Gore, William McDonough, etc.) Personally I think there are many pressing environmental issues to address that encompass everthing from food security to potential water shortages that if sufficiently accounted for could also reduce the carbon footprint.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Jul 09
Yeah, that one too! The point is, I want to see the greenie activists hold themselves to the same standard they want to hold everyone else to.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
29 Jul 09
This is one of the reasons that rushing into technologies that haven't yet been made cost-effective is going to cause more problems than it solves. There WILL be more efficient and more environmentally-friendly sources of energy as we move forward, but accepting large-scale implementation of technologies that are not yet going to help the environment or the consumer is simply an act to look more environmentally-conscious. Fossil fuels will run out, and energy suppliers are not stupid enough to allow that to happen before they find better replacements. We need to look at the green technologies just as carefully as we weigh the impacts of the old technologies. Let's do this the smart way, the way that's best for the environment and the future and well, yes, the consumer.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
29 Jul 09
You don't haul giant wind turbines over the road when transporting them by rail is more cost effective and has less of an impact on the environment...and the flow of traffic. One train engine can do the work of dozens of big rigs.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Jul 09
well, that might be true, but isn't what I saw. Actually, I don't even know if that's possible with the large fins. A railroad car is only about 50 feet long, a large wind turbine blades can run up to over 200 feet. Even with the new technology "telescoping" blades, that's doesn't lend itself well to rail transport.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
29 Jul 09
I worked for a railroad, Ted. You're overlooking flatcars, which can carry loads too large for the standard boxcar. We hauled a lot of extremely large cargo on flatcars.
@N4life (851)
• United States
29 Jul 09
A wind turbine factory,an Italian company called Brevini, is coming to my hometown, they build and insert gear boxes in the turbines. They are going into an existing building which is right on the rail line so that they can be transported more efficiently.
• United States
29 Jul 09
This brings up a good point which i haven't really thought of before, although I suppose that the amount of pollution in the short run, as you have mentioned, does - eventually - outweigh the pollution caused in the long run.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Jul 09
It may or may not.. so let's quit "supposing" and figure it out for sure.
@N4life (851)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Environmentalists are all over these issues, search and I am sure you will find studies on environmental impacts of wind turbines. We teach the fact that no energy source is environmentally benign in Nat. Reources/Env. Mgt. 101 to undergrad students. Believe me, there are many sincere "greenies" who understand and care about these issues. The trick is to get politicians and the public behind real environmental solutions that don't destroy our quality of life.
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@N4life (851)
• United States
30 Jul 09
The Danish Environmental Ministry estimates one 1.65 million megawatt wind turbine over its' average 25 year life emits 360 times less greenhouse gas then the same amount of power generated by coal. Take this into account along with the Carbon emitted from the massive machines used in the constant mineing and shipping of coal year round to the power plant, and the high rate of maintenance which includes transporting massive parts to repair coal plants and the question begins to be set into conext. This is not even taking into account the mercury, radiation, sludge, sulfur and the seemingly endless amount of pollutants coal plants are responsible for.
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