My Hero

@p1kef1sh (45640)
October 27, 2011 4:21pm CST
A news report today states that a former SAS (UK Special Forces) Hero has failed to sell some liberated Iraqi loot. But what caught my eye was that term "former... Hero". Can you be a former hero? Are you not a Hero permanently in respect of whatever the action was that earned you that title?
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@petersum (4525)
• United States
27 Oct 11
No, it means former SAS! Meaning he is no longer serving with those forces. A hero will always be a hero.
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@bounce58 (17524)
• Canada
27 Oct 11
This makes more sense!
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@p1kef1sh (45640)
27 Oct 11
I thought that too. But then I thought again..... The Press love to bandy that word around and these days it applies equally to military, footballers and people that genuinely do something heroic.
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@petersum (4525)
• United States
27 Oct 11
If he was still a member of the SAS, he would not officially exist! Certainly not be identified anyway. Official Secrets and all that stuff!!!
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@bounce58 (17524)
• Canada
27 Oct 11
I think this news of trying to sell Iraqi loot has merited him the tag 'former' in his designation as a hero. I guess people can be fickle minded as well. Or is it just the media? That the people that proclaimed him as a hero, can also take it away when he does something wrong.
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@p1kef1sh (45640)
27 Oct 11
The media love to build them up and knock them down. Happens all the time.
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• Canada
27 Oct 11
In my opinion, the only way a hero can stop bring a hero would be if he it she did something bad. Example. Person risks life to save child, becomes a hero. Hero child saver kills someone, is no longer hero. The person did a heroic deed, but then committed a heinous crime.
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@p1kef1sh (45640)
27 Oct 11
That is pretty much my view too.
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@sharra1 (6342)
• Australia
28 Oct 11
That can happen. I think in those situations they become fallen heroes as in fallen from grace. I think that it does not have to be a bad crime, the media condemn such people for any crime that involves a conviction and prison sentence.
• United States
27 Oct 11
That is an interesting way to see it as I hear "Former" and it sounds like the person past away. It is not like we can compare heroic actions, so why not just say The well known hero for... and commend the person.
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@p1kef1sh (45640)
28 Oct 11
I suspect that what they mean is that collectively all members of the SAS are heroes. Therefore as a former member he falls under that description. On that basis what should we call him if during his service he did something truly heroic?
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@pahak627 (4198)
• Philippines
27 Oct 11
Well, I also have the same understanding as you only that I think he was just a former hero of the SAS. Maybe what they meant is that he was a former fighter, defender or whatever in SAS only. It's confusing to me also but that's what I think.
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@p1kef1sh (45640)
27 Oct 11
They didn't qualify what they meant. It's a silly term unless something heroic has been achieved.
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@Hatley (164507)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Oct 11
hi pikey the former meant former SAS man not former hero but I suppose it could have been worded a bit differently. Yes I think once a hero always a hero.but former SAS . I hope he was not the one who wanted me to send 200 dollars to claim the 23 million dollars he had gotten from Iraqui loot. oh I knew from the get go that the email was a scam but to think this person passed himself off as an American Soldier and wanted me to keep that huge loot and split it with him. oh sure of course he did. not. that email got a swift delete.I only hope that some other gullible person will not send that 200 dollars and get scammed. these people are so mean and prey on people who need money and are a bit naive about these phony emails.
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@p1kef1sh (45640)
28 Oct 11
That's just imoral Hatley. A very low trick.
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@BarBaraPrz (20553)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
28 Oct 11
I think they meant that he was former SAS.
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@p1kef1sh (45640)
28 Oct 11
I think so too but what if they didn't?
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@BarBaraPrz (20553)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
28 Oct 11
If they didn't, they didn't. Why does it bother you?
@p1kef1sh (45640)
28 Oct 11
You have to get your discussion topics from somewhere. Mine was this one.
@wulania (1528)
• Indonesia
28 Oct 11
i dont like heroes, but i like someone heroic and having heroship
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@p1kef1sh (45640)
28 Oct 11
I am confused by your reply. You do not like heroes but do like heroic deeds? What would you call a Hero?
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• Australia
28 Oct 11
So, they still hang participles, how barbaric. Perhaps "heroic former SAS ....." Lash
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@p1kef1sh (45640)
28 Oct 11
Past participles?
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@katie0 (5212)
• Japan
28 Oct 11
So sad, there shouldn't be such a thing as a former hero. There are people that are born heroes and others are not, there's no being and then stop being. Heroes are the ones who make a difference, they already acted on making this a better world, there's no taking back just like a bad action like hurting someone, it doesn't have a turning back so there's no former hero. They chose the word wrong huh? Happy MyLotting, have a wonderful day!
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@p1kef1sh (45640)
28 Oct 11
Like most others here I think that they were referring to his former membership of the SAS. However it does beg the question can we be formerly heroic?
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
28 Oct 11
I would certainly think so. If, at a later date a hero is discredited, then he wasn't really ever a hero at all. One wouldn't think that herohood would have expiration dates. I know that your Herohood won't expire.
@p1kef1sh (45640)
29 Oct 11
Aww. You're too kind and clearly don't know me well enough. I am an old misery really! LOL.
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
29 Oct 11
Just proves that misery loves company. Or, is that company loves misery?
@pumpkinjam (5782)
• United Kingdom
28 Oct 11
If I've understood the other responses correctly, I am thinking along the same lines. This bloke was possibly never a hero and the media have just used that word because he was in the SAS. Now, I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone here but just being IN the forces (SAS, Army, Navy, etc.) doesn't automatically come with the "hero" accolade. Maybe the media didn't know which word was correct. I don't suppose they could have said "former SAS employee" or "man who was in the SAS". Also, if the title of hero is actually earned then it shouldn't be taken away but it could be that someone was thought to be a hero but then it was realised that they weren't. But then, they wouldn't be a "former hero", they would be "formerly believed to be a hero". Do you think I'd make a good journalist? :)
@p1kef1sh (45640)
28 Oct 11
Agreed. I think that you would make a good primary teacher and don't know whay you don't train as one!!!
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• United Kingdom
28 Oct 11
The reason I wouldn't train as a primary school teacher are because I don't like children! I know I have them and I work with them and, I admit, I love my job but I don't think full time teaching is for me. Then there's all the qualifications you have to get and the time it would take up. I think that much of the training involves placements and I really don't think I could be bothered with that. With what I'm doing now, I can have a qualification in 3 years (or a BA in 5) or even sooner if I can get on to more courses! Then I have, in theory, a range of options (teaching being one of them if I picked the right things).
@sharra1 (6342)
• Australia
28 Oct 11
It might mean that he was once a member of the forces but it could also mean that the circumstances in which he was declared a Hero have been re-examined and he was found not to be a Hero after all. Then again it might just be that they are fools who do not understand the English language and think that just because the event which made him a Hero is in the past that now he is a former Hero. lol. Journalism is lacking these days after all. I have seen similar problems where people who were declared heroes in natural disasters have been called former heroes when they were later questioned about other things. For instance if a Hero commits a crime does that make him or her a criminal Hero or a former Hero who is now a criminal. This gets really confusing. As for always being a Hero no matter what you do later I am not so sure, is that not where fallen Hero comes from. Former Hero now fallen from grace and just an ordinary human being.
@p1kef1sh (45640)
28 Oct 11
I feel quite strongly that membership of the military does not automatically confer heroic status individually. However as a collective term for a group of people who, at least in theory, voluntarily commit themselves to putting their lives on the line for their country it is as good a term as any. Quite what title you give to someone within that group should they actually perform a deed so outstanding that under normal definition we might regard as "heroic" becomes more complex. "Hero is very brave" seems to devalue the former description.
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@sharra1 (6342)
• Australia
28 Oct 11
I quite agree with you. I also think that a person cannot lose Hero status. If a person does something heroic then that act remains a heroic act no matter what they may do later. I think that anyone who risks their life to save others is acting heroiclly. It may well be their job such as people who work in emergency services. Being a soldier is a job but that does not mean they cannot go beyond the call of duty and be a hero.
@veejay19 (3592)
• India
28 Oct 11
Yes, once a hero always a hero,no matter what happens later.For eg if someone has won an Olympic gold medal but much later fails to win even one medal, it does not mean that he ceases to be a hero.He will always remain a hero and will be remembered for what he had achieved.So the term'former hero'should never be used.
@p1kef1sh (45640)
28 Oct 11
That has always been my interpretation of it too.