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myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 12 out of 5,019 in family 5 years ago

My hubby and I have a couple we have become quite close to. They have four kids that are in the age range of ours who spend a lot of time at our house. I like this couple but here is my problem. "Jane" lost her job a year ago. Her husband works 60 hours a week to support their family, but his income is not enough. He continuosly tells "Jane" she needs to get a job, any job to help. "Jane" is a part time student and gets her associates degree next October. In the meantime their house was almost foreclosed on, my parents bought their kids Christmas presents so they would have something under the tree, my husbands parents have bought them gift cards to grocery stores so they can eat, and we have helped out as much as possible, taking the kids for weekends so they can have some "down time", inviting them over for dinner, etc..It hurts to see people we care about going to the food pantry to feed their family.
We got together with this couple over the weekend. They asked if we could take their kids for a week in March so they could go to Vegas. I told them we couldn't, unfortunately, juggling my 2 jobs, my hubby out on work comp and our kids social lives, we just couldn't swing it. In the back of my mind I'm thinking "how can they afford a vacation?" Then I noticed the old Nintendo Game Cube I had given to their two older sons was in the dads rec room. I asked what the boys did to get it taken away and the response was "we wanted it for ourselves". WE were talking jobs and "Jane" says to me,"don't you think working at McD's or waiting tables would be beneath me considering my education?" Which I took offense to since I have waited tables for extra income to support my family, but I kept quiet.
I am upset becasue we have bent over backwards to help them out, without so much as a thank you. I told hubby I am done helping them. If she'd rather go to the food pantry than get a job to help her husnband support their kids it is not our problem anymore. I am miffed because I have bought her kids winter coats (at thrift shops, but still), donated outgrown clothes of my daughters to clothe her daughter, and I listen to her complain about hte lack of money and what they are suffering through yet they are planning a vacation!? My husband says if we stop helping them the only people it hurts are the kids, but I don't see it that way. I love their kids, ut why should we continue to stick our necks out when one half of the couple is unwilling to help themselves and the other half mismanages money so badly? I am wrong in feeling slighted? How would you handle this? (Thanks for letting me vent)

 

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tags:  friends, help, kids, helping others, money
 
1. myLot reputation of 98/100. aseretdd (6862)   ranked 63 out of 5,019 in family   5 years ago

My goodness... i had a very good education but when i was abroad i still worked as a waitress just to earn enough money...i even considered working at Mac Donald's... maybe your friends don't really think that they are in a financial crisis...maybe they are still in denial since they are still planning a vacation...

But i think your husband is right...the kids are the ones who will be hurt the most if you stop helping them... but i think you can just reduce the amount of help you are giving them... like stop inviting them for dinner... but invite the kids over for a sleepover...


myLot reputation of 99/100. pergammano (3539)   ranked 127 out of 5,019 in family  5 years ago

I agree, your husband is right! Concentrate on the children! And then they will also learn what a wonderful family is really like! Sleep-overs, family outings, sports, not including the parents. Careful tho, that they don't take advantage of you (I mean the parents.)

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2. myLot reputation of 93/100. tutul0045 (1391)   ranked 3,862 out of 5,019 in family   5 years ago

Hey,
U did not respond to my message i sent u few days back.


myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 12 out of 5,019 in family  5 years ago

Sorry tutu, this is the first time I've been on in a few days. I read your message and unfortunately I don't know how to help you, one of the other members got my avatar going for me, and I haven't seen them here in forever. Check some of the posts others have put up that have the same problem as you have and you should be able to find someone to help you. Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance.


myLot reputation of 93/100. tutul0045 (1391)   ranked 3,862 out of 5,019 in family  5 years ago

ohh iam sorry. I had a very bad weekend and now i dont know y i was behaving like that.
I apologize once again and wish u good luck!

Cheers,
Tutul


myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 12 out of 5,019 in family  5 years ago

no apologies necessary tutu, it happens to the best of us!

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3. myLot reputation of 87/100. Ravenladyj (19028)   ranked 230 out of 5,019 in family   5 years ago

"why should we continue to stick our necks out when one half of the couple is unwilling to help themselves and the other half mismanages money so badly?"

and thats what it boils down to right there! I'm much like you and have really REALLY gone out of my way to help ppl I know who are less fortunate or are struggling etc, even when REALLY I couldnt afford it..but its my nature so I did it anyway...UNTIL I find out they are taking the clothes I give their teenage kids to wear themselves OR the money I've left them goes to pot or beer after I'm gone and so on....Its obvious to me that these ppl you know REALLY DONT give a crap...Even if for example this vacation they are planning is being paid for by someone else...the SMART thing for them to have done is say to the giver somehting like

"as much as we appreciate the offer would you mind terribly instead if we used that money to get caught up on our bills/rent/get food in the house etc"

And the fact that Jane things waiting tables or working at McDs is "beneath" her...well hell that would set me off right away...YOU HAVE KIDS TO FEED..HOW COULD IT BE BENEATH YOU?! Ppl like that need a serious slap in the mouth as far as I'm concerned..I'm sorry I realize they are your friends but thats just b.shyt IMO..when you have children to care for, clothe, feed etc being "better than" or holier than thou is NOT an option!!


myLot reputation of 97/100. sephrenia (394)   ranked 908 out of 5,019 in family  5 years ago

you literally took the words right out of my mouth. I don't care what kind of education I have, if my kids need feeding and all I can get is a job at Mcdonalds, well then heck, sure I'd take it regardless of what the wage is.

This woman sure as heck don't seem to care about her kids that much if she's planning taking a vacation instead of feeding them or getting a job.


myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 12 out of 5,019 in family  5 years ago

ANd that's the part that really irks me raven...they have kids to feed! She called me this morning talking about this new pizza oven they bought. But yet they are behind on bills and their internet just got shut off!

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4. myLot reputation of 94/100. gemini_rose (10252)   ranked 105 out of 5,019 in family   5 years ago

Sometimes the more you help people the more they expect you to help them. Instead of seeing your help and support as a sign of caring and friendship they are now just taking it for granted, I think you do need to help them less so they help themselves more. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind, you can still do little things for the kids but I wouldnt do no more than that. I dont think you are wrong in feeling slighted, after all you are going out of your way to help your friends and getting no sign of appreciation back its like they are not grateful for what you and your family are doing. No its time to draw the line and let them stand on their own two feet and if they dont help themselves then it is their own fault, sometimes people have to hit rock bottom to really appreciate the trouble they are in and finally do something about it. If they are so badly off for money they certainly shouldnt be going on holiday! I mean we had the choice this year of having 2 weeks holiday or 1 weeks holiday and doing the garden we had to choose 1 week and the garden because we just cant afford to have it all, we all have to make sacrifices and they should be no different!! Good luck hope you manage to sort it out.

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5. myLot reputation of 98/100. ctrymuziklvr (4712)   ranked 126 out of 5,019 in family   5 years ago

Personally, I would stop helping them. I don't think there are many women in the US who have not worked in a fast food restraunt or waitressed to help their family get by. If Jane things she's so much better than everyone else let her husband deal with it. He also needs to give those games back to his kids...he's just as bad as she is!

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6. sunnylilme (3)   ranked 2,318 out of 5,019 in family   5 years ago

I have a friend JUST LIKE THIS. She's got a sense of entitlement. I've been babysitting her daughter, including many overnight sittings. Her husband is in Iraq, and I thought she needed the help.

She seems to come over every time it's meal time. I cook sit down meals for my family every meal, and she frequents burger joints. It started to cost a lot more money in groceries when it was every evening she showed up at dinner time.

She wrecked her car in October. Since then I have been her means of transportation. She was starting to get picky and demanding about when and where she needed to go.

My husband has been deployed as well. He was gone twenty months straight to be exact, and I took care of business.

This past year, we took my father in law into our house. He had terminal lung cancer, and passed away this October. Since he died, I've wanted to quit smoking. I called the clinic, and there was no class with Chantix until October. So I waited, inspired and ready.

I called the day before to confirm she would watch my boys. She told me three times, check with daycare, check with daycare, check with daycare. She knew I already had, and they weren't available.

Nice, right?

I'm over it. You should be too:)


myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 12 out of 5,019 in family  5 years ago

My thoughts are with your husband and your family. My hubby us ex military, and it fills me with pride to see how the women step up when their spouse is deployed. Good luck on quitting smoking, it's hard, but it's worth it.

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7. myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15572)   5 years ago

I would have to agree with you all the way. Why should you and your family support these people who are too stuck up to earn an honest day's pay at a fast food place. Yet able to afford a trip to Vegas. Probably to gamble and lose what little money could have gone to feeding their children. I would not give them a dime however if the kids were in my home and seemed hungry then I would feed them but that would be all.


myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 12 out of 5,019 in family  5 years ago

It's amazing what people will do when they get a big tax return, and that's what it boils down to. Her hubby told mine that he's paying an extra $1200 to have his Harley shipped out there too! I was speechless, and honestly that was the straw that broke the camels back. We got a hefty return this year too, and it ALL went to pay off bills. I guess it just all depends on where your priorities lie but at there age (early 40's) you'd think they'd be worried about providing for their kids.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15572)  5 years ago

Truly amazing! I may be wrong but I think one day they will be sorry to have been so self indulgent and not have the intelligence to get their priorities straight.

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8. myLot reputation of 79/100. Lindalinda (3181)   5 years ago

Oh my dear, you and your husband are such kind and generous people. Bless you. It would leave me speechless to hear that these people would ask you to take their 4 kids for a week while they go to Vegas. Waiting tables and working at MdDonalds provides an honest living even though it does not pay well. If this is beneath Jane suggest to Jane that she starts cleaning houses.(I am being a bit sarcastic) Here where I live the ladies get $60 to 75 for 4 or five hours of cleaning. It is so sad that these people take advantage of you and your family. One other respondent made a good suggestion. Stop inviting them for dinner but keep lots of contact with the kids and have them over. If the lady keeps complaining about the hard times they are going through just suggest that they have to help themselves if they want other people to help them. Best of luck.


myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 12 out of 5,019 in family  5 years ago

Clean houses! LOL She doesn't even clean her own! And then comes to our house and says "God woman, even God took a day off" because our house is usually clean. Everyone in our house chips in to do what needs to be done because we all have busy schedules. She called today to see if she could come over to use our computer to do some school work because their internet got shut off, but in the next breath started talking about htis pizza oven they bought. I told her to go to the library and use the ones there. I am so disgusted.


sonyareads (65)   ranked 3,620 out of 5,019 in family  5 years ago

Jane's an idiot. Actually, waiting tables pays very well. I wait tables, with my big fancy college education. I went to college for a business degree, and when it was over, went back to waiting tables when I saw what I would be earning. I worked last night for six hours, and made $130. That's $21 an hour, and it's the off season. In the summer, when we are busy, I average around $35 a week. I only work part time now, so I only make around $300 a week with my waitress job. When i worked full time, I made around a grand a week. And full time waiting tables where I work is only 30 to 35 hours a week. I waited on one table last night and made $65. Those customers were there for an Hour and half. I'll take waiting tables over most other jobs in a heart beat. I can work when I want, they work around MY schedule, so I still have time for my kids, and my work won't be piled up if I do take a day off. The only responsibilities I will ever have there are my customers, and if my work comes home with me, it comes in a to go box.


myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 12 out of 5,019 in family  5 years ago

You said it sonya! I waited tables for YEARS, and dare I say I'm thinking about going back to it because I made more money two nights a week serving than I do in two weeks working for minimum wage from home. Most servers I know have college educations and do it just for the extra money and the flexible schedules. I think that's why I took such offense to "Jane" saying service jobs are beneath her. I did it for years and although I did burn out, I loved it, and even miss it.

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9. myLot reputation of 93/100. SViswan (5864)   ranked 131 out of 5,019 in family   5 years ago

I don't think you are wrong.I would feel the same way if I was helping someone the way you are (and it's not you alone...your whole family helps them) and they don't care. It seems like the lady isn't trying hard enough to find a job. She can work at McDonald's and look around for a well paying job. No job is beneath anyone when they have to feed their children. She seems to have got used to all the 'help' she is getting and is taking it easy.
Maybe your husband is right...but she might realize when the kids are hurt, wouldn't she? I mean a vacation when they don't have enough money to make ends meet? I would have asked about it...especially if I was helping them out the way you guys are.

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10. myLot reputation of 86/100. Kowgirl (2496)   ranked 710 out of 5,019 in family   5 years ago

I'm all for helping people but only if they are trying to help themselves.
There is plenty of work she could be doing. Sounds to me like she is just LAZY
and expects everything to be given to her. What makes her think she is better than anyone else? At least the people who are working at McDonalds are trying to make a difference in their lives. She is below them because she isn't even trying. I get so mad when I hear people bitc* and complain and then sit on their a$$ and do nothing to change the matter. She should have to go without. Just do for the children and to hel* with her. Maybe her husband will wake up some day and leave the bitc* to fend on her own, otherwise he is going to live a miserable life with someone so selfish that she would let her children go without rather than work. He must be a wimp to put up with her. I have known people like them and I still can't understand them. Sometimes you just have to quit helping to get these kind of selfish people to wake up and face the future.
If she doesn't want people to see her working outside her home then why doesn't she babysit for some of the mothers who do work. From what I see that's a good way to make some extra needed money. Where there's a will, there's a way.


myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 12 out of 5,019 in family  5 years ago

Honestly Kowgirl, I wouldn't leave my kids alone with her. I have given her a couple great legit work at home opportunities to follow up on and she never does. ANd you're right, it's time to quit helping them.

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