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myLot reputation of 64/100. anniepa (9284)   ranked 380 out of 6,392 in politics1 year ago

I'll get accused of attacking poor Sarah again or trying to get people to hate her but this is really just a very simple question - all of the other major players in this Presidential campaign have released their medical records but Sarah Palin, the youngest among them and from all reports someone who is in excellent health and works out regularly. Does anyone else agree with me that it seems like she must have something to hide by refusing to do what is usually a pretty routine thing. Below is a link to an article about the circumstances surrounding the birth of her youngest child. I think her actions here showed poor judgment and apparently many doctors agree with me, but I know it was her call to make.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/palins-medica-2.html

Any thoughts?
Annie

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 71/100. evanslf (388)   ranked 135 out of 6,392 in politics   1 year ago

Interesting article, certainly it gives the impression that Palin is a bit of a risk taker though I suspect there will be many who will have more important reasons for not liking Palin.

Yes one can argue that she showed poor judgement in that she didn't go to the hospital as soon as her water broke (risk of infection, etc). On the other hand it is not unusual for the contractions to start a 48 hours or more later after the water breaks (my wife went to hospital when her water broke but was sent home and the contractions didn't start until 2 or even 3 days later - can't remember exactly).

That said, the article doesn't necessarily portray Palin in a bad light. Yes, she certainly took risks and one can argue that she took real risks that most others would not have taken, but on the other hand this story shows some gutsy - if not even boneheaded - determination, something to be admired (reminds me of my father who kept on working til the very end and never told us he was suffering from pancreatic cancer).


myLot reputation of 64/100. anniepa (9284)   ranked 380 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

I'm sorry, it seems a lot of you are focusing on the article mainly and not on the main question I meant to raise in this post - why Palin won't release her medical records. Regarding her actions prior to her baby's birth, from what I gathered the fact she had had the amnio and that she was having a special needs baby early made it a little bit more than just being determined, but it washer call to make. Although had her plane been forced to make an emergency landing because she'd gone into heavy labor the other passengers may not have been so understanding!
Annie

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2. myLot reputation of 85/100. chameleonsdream (809)   ranked 80 out of 6,392 in politics   1 year ago

Honestly, I put this one squarely in the "don't care" column. No one but Sarah Palin was in her body to know what she was feeling, how strong her contractions were or anything else. As a mother of five, I've worked right up to the day before I delivered with some of my pregnancies. I had that right - and so does she. It's a non-issue.


myLot reputation of 76/100. lilwonders456 (1930)   ranked 60 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

I worked right up til the day before I delivered with mine too. My doctor did not have problem with it. I did not have problem with it. So why does that matter.


myLot reputation of 85/100. chameleonsdream (809)   ranked 80 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

Let me be more clear - what Sarah Palin did during her pregnancy is a non-issue. I really don't care about her pregnancy - I really don't even care if, as some have suggested, her medical records indicate that she wasn't pregnant.

I do care that her medical records haven't been released, especially because such a big deal has been made about the medical records of the other candidates. There have been surmises that she may suffer from SAD - not a deal breaker for me, especially since treatment for SAD is so easy - but it could be a deal breaker for a lot of people.


myLot reputation of 38/100. piasabird (1492)   ranked 2,234 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago



Joe Biden has had a previous brain aneurysm and in his health report there isn't a brain scan in it. That seems kind of strange.


myLot reputation of 64/100. anniepa (9284)   ranked 380 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

The main thing I was interested in here was in how you felt about her refusal to release her medical records. I guess I shouldn't have added that article about the baby's birth in the same post. Working through a pregnancy isn't the issue here anyway; getting on the plane for a very long flight after she was leaking fluid is and that could have affected many others besides herself.

However, as I said, the main thing I posted about here was her refusal to release her medical records. She's the youngest of the four candidates so the argument is that she's young and healthy, works out and is in great shape. The fact is, we don't know of her ever having had any health concerns or have any "bad" habits because we didn't know her until a few months ago. McCain and Biden, both considerably older than Palin, have both had past health problems which we know about basically because they've told us. Obama, only a couple years older than Palin and also presumably a healthy person who is in great shape and works out has not had any health problem we're aware of but some will say that he is, or was, a smoker. My question is, do these things really make it so Palin shouldn't have to release her records even though the others all have? I know back when I was a health 44 year old in terrific shape I'd have been happy for the whole world to see proof of it!
Annie


myLot reputation of 85/100. chameleonsdream (809)   ranked 80 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

Yup - as I said, I do care, since it has been such a big deal for other candidates.


myLot reputation of 95/100. cbreeze (941)   ranked 52 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

I went into labor on the job with my fifth child. I don't think the circumstances surrounding her son's birth are significant.

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3. myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3506)   ranked 94 out of 6,392 in politics   1 year ago

Well why should she be any different? If all the otherpeople running for president or vice president have to release medical records then why is she exempt? I don't get it. All the conservatives have bytch about all the same issues about Obama and are ok with their person doing the same thing. Goes all back to that it's ok if my guy does it but not yours.

As for the article it shows really bad judgment on Palin's part for having a high risk pregnancy. Just sad that she cared enough about not having an abortion because that kills babies but didn't worry about what kind of damage she was doing to the baby doing all of that stuff she wanted to do.


myLot reputation of 38/100. piasabird (1492)   ranked 2,234 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago



Your issues have been brought up in another forum I visit and so I decided to look up Down Syndrome. It isn't the fault of the mother or anything she did. It's a gene that causes it.

And I don't see how this was a high risk pregnancy.

Don't know why she hasn't released her health reports but she should. But then there are about three lawsuits asking Obama for proof that he is a legal citizen and he is just blowing them off so far.


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3506)   ranked 94 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

Reread my post you must have read it wrong because I didn't say that the baby having Downs Syndrome had anything to do with any actions of Palin. Well but since you brought this up, a woman over 40 having a child has a huge increase in the chance of having a child with Downs Syndrome, there is medical proof over so try a medical site if you want actual statistics. You can also ask any medical doctor and they will classify any pregnancy in a woman over 40 as high risk and any pregnancy with possible birth defects is classified as high risk.


myLot reputation of 38/100. piasabird (1492)   ranked 2,234 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago



I did not know that any pregnancy over forty was considered high risk.

I don't think there is an s at the end of Down in Down Syndrome.


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3506)   ranked 94 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

It can be Down Syndrome or Down's Syndrome. I use to work with the population years ago, loved them to death.


myLot reputation of 64/100. anniepa (9284)   ranked 380 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

Nobody blamed her for having a Down Syndrome baby. It is a fact that actually any woman over 35 who is pregnant is considered to have a high risk pregnancy. Maybe they have raised that to 40, but it used to be 35. That doesn't mean every baby born to a woman of that age will have issues, actually most do not, but the odds are much greater than with a younger mother and that's a fact. Anyway, the fact she had a Down Syndrome baby has nothing to do with why she should release her medical records, that didn't happen because of anything wrong with her other than something (I think) to do with aging eggs. Personally, if I were carrying a special needs baby and wasn't due yet and started leaking amniotic fluid at 4 am I'd have been making arrangements to get back home at 4 am or, more likely, getting myself to a local hospital right then. If the doctors there told me it was OK for me to go on and give my speech and take the long flight back to Alaska as planned, I'd have done so. Also, she didn't notify anyone from the airline of her condition which I think was deeply inconsiderate of the other passengers. I'm very glad things turned out find for her and her baby.
Annie

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4. myLot reputation of 76/100. lilwonders456 (1930)   ranked 60 out of 6,392 in politics   1 year ago

Well sense we do not have her medical records we do not know if any of this actually happened. The article was full of "as far we know" (sense we do not have the medical records there may be a lot they do not know)and "what could have happened". No one knows anything for sure. That is until she releases her medical records. I think she should release her medical records. All the other candidates have. But I do think the privacy of her children is important so their medical records should not be released.
I am wondering if the reason she is not releasing them is because akk of her childrens medical information would be in there too. At least the part were she was pregnant with them and all of their deliverys. I really do not think I need to know if she had an epedoral, or not. I am sure the news would be talking about it though.

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5. myLot reputation of 51/100. Taskr36 (4644)   ranked 394 out of 6,392 in politics   1 year ago

Give me a break Annie. Could you have found a more hateful article? You probably should have just linked to the DailyKOS for a more unbiased opinion. For those who don't remember the Atlantic was the same organization who hired the photographer that did this (WARNING: Graphic Images) http://americandigest.org... , on to the subject of medical records. Annie, did I miss your post demanding Biden's medical records? He's much older and he's had brain aneurysms yet you never demanded his medical records. He only released them yesterday you know and he's been a VP nominee for longer than Sarah Palin, not to mention he was also running for president prior to that. Were you just going to wait and see if he did so you could make this an issue? Should Palin release 1500 pages as McCain did, or should she merely hand them a 2 year old doctors note that is less than one page long as Obama did?

If you'd really cared about medical records you wouldn't have waited till two weeks were left to bring this up. You just saw a new avenue of attack after Biden released his records.


myLot reputation of 74/100. bobmnu (2668)   ranked 191 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

I am surprised that The Atlantic was so nice to her considering how far left they have always been.

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6. myLot reputation of 81/100. MoonlightSerenade (998)   ranked 124 out of 6,392 in politics   1 year ago

It isn't something I would have done, especially during a high risk pregnancy. Mine weren't even high risk, but most of us are big on following doctor's orders during pregnancy. But as for whether that relates to judgement calls she might make if she reaches higher office. . .well, I already don't trust her judgement. Lucky thing she and the child made it.

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7. myLot reputation of 74/100. bobmnu (2668)   ranked 191 out of 6,392 in politics   1 year ago

A quick google showed that Senator Obama released a statement from his Doctor as did Senator Biden. Senator McCain released 1500 pages of his medical history.

When I look at what I have discussed with my Doctor I would want some of those things removed before I released my medical records. They are things that do no have anything to do with my health but they were to be watched and if nothing then forgotten about.

Lets get on to something more important.


myLot reputation of 85/100. chameleonsdream (809)   ranked 80 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

"Released" is a tricky word. They allowed several reporters to spend 3 hours in a room with 1500 pages of medical records. They were not allowed to photograph anything or copy anything and they were not allowed to take anything from the room with them. Only three of them have medical training or knowledge. How much could even a trained doctor take from 3 hours with 1500 pages?


myLot reputation of 64/100. anniepa (9284)   ranked 380 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

I couldn't agree more about getting on to something more important, which Palin and the McCain camp could put this matter to rest quite simply but simply doing what Obama and Biden did, couldn't they? It wouldn't be an issue at all for me if it weren't rather routine for candidates to be forthcoming regarding their health and medical histories.
Annie

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8. myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1618)   ranked 123 out of 6,392 in politics   1 year ago

Palin had already been through five pregnancies prior to this one. I have to believe she was comfortable enough with her pregnancy and knowing her own body to assess it would be a very small risk for her to continue her activities up to a certain point. Everyone has to take small risks in pregnancies because there are so many unknowns to consider. I probably wouldn't have done it but I don't feel negatively about her for what she did. It's a personal matter.


myLot reputation of 51/100. Taskr36 (4644)   ranked 394 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

That's ridiculous! How could she possibly know her body better than her opponents online? These attacks are coming from people who have never even met her so we KNOW they are all experts. [/sarcasm]

Frankly I can't see why people care so much. Her child was born perfectly healthy so obviously she managed the pregnancy just fine.


myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1618)   ranked 123 out of 6,392 in politics  1 year ago

It's odd how everyone becomes an expert when they want to criticize. That is the stuff of idle gossip and it's sad the election has gone in that direction.

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9. myLot reputation of 81/100. collieluv28 (123)   ranked 205 out of 6,392 in politics   1 year ago

First of all, I respond to this as a mother, not an expert. That being said, I went through two tough pregnancies & I left the judgement to my doctor as to what I should & should not be doing. Palin did what she wanted to do knowing full well that she was putting herself & her baby at risk. Flying in an airplane at 8 months pregnant? That's insane. I find it strange that she did not announce her pregnancy until she was pretty far along. I told the world if they would listen when I was pregnant! All of this is an issue for the serious voter. It speaks to her judgement on day to day issues. This puts a new spin on Country First. Your kids should always come first. She didn't have to be in Texas for this meeting.

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10. myLot reputation of 72/100. irishidid (3067)   ranked 1,314 out of 6,392 in politics   1 year ago

I didn't go to the doctor with my last pregnancy until I was almost eight months pregnant. I also took Flintstones vitamins instead of prenatal ones. When I did go to the doctor it was no big deal and I delivered a healthy baby boy.

I can only speculate what was in Palin's thoughts when she had the amniocentesis. Maybe she wanted to prepare herself for the possibility of a down syndrome child or just following doctors orders. I had an amniocentesis but for a different reason. It was my first pregnancy and a scheduled c-section. The procedure was done on the same day my daughter was born. It sounds a lot like a nail being poked through a thick piece of canvas. I don't know if the risks are different in a case like that.
As for the water breaking, I used to work at a bowling alley years ago and I recall a woman dropping her kid off in the nursery, announcing she would probably get him early because her water broke. She wanted to get in a few rounds of bowling before leaving for the hospital. Go figure!

Even the best of circumstances doesn't guarantee things won't go wrong in the end.

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