$200 higher ELECTRIC BILLS: Durn AL GORE TO HECK!  

Indeed, Gore is a phoney besides being flat out wrong. I've even run the data analysis. Gore is not even close to being right.

More and more scientists are having the courage to speak out about it. Here's hoping the power of the internet with its ability for us everyday folks to comunicate quickly, gives us the edge we need to defeat the upcoming legislation that will bankrupt us without saving anything.

Red, you say you've run the data analysis yourself. Please enlighten me :)

I do experimental research in data analysis. Using that knowledge I got the figures for the earth's temperture and sea levels from a respected international source (Hadley Meterological Center UK). Then I did a synthesis and extrapolation on the data. I can not explain the methodology here. It is proprietary to me and beyond what would be reasonable to explain here. Here's my conclusion.

A reasonable estimate for average temp change of the earth over the next 100 years is about 1/2 degree, maybe 1 degree but very unlikely. The sea level is likely to rise 1 or 2 inches, maybe. This is not catestrophic. It is a part of the normal cycle one would expect since the earth left an ice age about 12000 years ago and the glaciers are still retreating from that ice age. We are slightly warming. It is not man made. It is normal. The same will happen with the climate no matter what we do. You'd be very surprised how many scientists actually agree with me.

You can see examples of my research applied to the stock market at my web page. You can get there thru my profile page. Long term climate change seems to be easier to predict than stocks.

You lost me at proprietary sir :) If your methods aren't published, how can they be assessed? Still, thanks for your response.

I have published 2 of my methods for the analysis of stocks. I have not published the method I used to do analysis of climate. However, that is not a problem. The analysis of the climate data is so straight forward and obvious that anyone with an undergraduate education in mathematics can do it using practically any commonly acceptable method. The results will be the same no matter which method is selected. There is nothing spectacular going on.

I strongly urge you to get the data yourself. Do your own analysis. The data can be found using GOOGLE. This is not rocket science.

Hmm, you know, maybe I will. Thanks Red, interesting stuff.

I agree. Mine was over $350 last month and we aren't even at home during week during work hours. I would hate to see the bill if we were! Plus the coldest months are ahead of us, January and February!

We have a total electric house and ours was $192 which was smaller than last year. But we aren't keeping our heat up and we also use gas logs in the fireplace at times, which helps on the light bill, but uses lots of gas. My house is the same size of our daughter's, but she has 4 kids going in and out all the time - to work, practice, school, just outside, etc. It is just me and my husband here and we don't fan the doors all the time like kids do.

Let's save the EARTH by taxing consumer's more! That's the ticket! Politicians really do think we are stupid.

I'd love to see every politician have to live like normal citizens. They'd think twice before they did the things they do! The taxes don't bother them. They have the money. The gas prices don't bother them; they have drivers and probably an expense account to cover everything.

Well, wait until the higher prices for energy and probably everything else hit home. 0bama could beat Bush's record low approval ratings.

It really gripes me about the stimulus packages! They want to give us $300 or so to stimulate the economy and then tax us to death! Put a 50% increase in taxes on the gas and then they bring the gas prices back up because of OPEC, and we might as well just quit! Groceries are out of sight already! I guess we are all going to have to have a garden for food, go to using candles for light, forget anything electronic, and get us a wood burning stove and heater for cooking and warming our home. We won't need a car because we won't be able to afford to buy the gas to run it!

I'm with you, Red. He already has a LOW approval rating in my view! And it's getting lower every time I hear him speaking. I get upset with a stupid radio commercial one car dealer has with his voice here in our state! I have to change stations lots when I'm in my car! I have been very upset that he's talked more on television and radio since being voted in than the President. If we didn't know better, we'd think he was already in the Oval Office. This is the first time I ever remember a President elect having SO much to say before he's actually the President!

Perhaps, you and I will have to do what my dad did for a few years. Quit watching or reading about politics and concentrate on his own life. I'm sure I could not give up politics forever, but a vacation from it could be in order soon.

Yes, but we voters are not giving the politicans any reason to think they won't get away with it.

Happy New Year to you too!

Americans are slow to awaken but get a lot done once they wake up. That time is coming.

I live in an area where this is feasible. My location is so remote there are no building or zoning codes. I can put up windmill towers, solar panels of all kinds, and whatever else I want without restriction. I'm giving it serious thought.

That's great. The economics can work out with government subsidies for CAPEX and buy-backs by the grid. The sweetener is the low interest rates.... lol.

But all of this is quite fiddly and time consuming, therefore there needs to be a passion rather than pure economics. For people earning $30 or more per hour, they are unlikely to spend time dealing with this important contribution unless they are motivated by other considerations.

Send me your address via PM and I will look for the windmill, solar panels and even a watermill on Google Earth!

Cheers Red.

I have heated with wood since 1981. My last electric bill was only $74. However, this carbon credit scam could make that $274! EEKS!

Definitely, going off grid is an option for me. I still don't like what is being done to the country.

Right now, I think a lot of it is just fear and conjecture. No one really knows what is going to happen with this President and his new administration. Obama was promising everything and anything to get himself elected; but, he is already breaking a lot of his promises and he isn't even in office yet. So, we have no idea which ones he will keep and which ones he will break or just ignore.

I do not feel the next 4 years are going to be good for the US; but, a lot of that is the fault of Bush and his administration. For now, we just need to wait and see what does happen and deal with it as things come up. Until a bill is actually introduced, there is no sense in starting off protests. In fact, protesting something draws the legislators attention to the topic; even if they weren't thinking about it before. That could actually initiate the very changes we do not want to see.

Yes, that is the game the government folks have in mind for us. Higher prices for the goods we need and higher taxes too.

I could not say that any better. Many scientists are finally speaking out.