Do republicans have selective amnesia when it comes to the deficit?
@thegreatdebater (7316)
United States
March 12, 2009 4:31pm CST
When Bush took office, the country had both a budget, and social security surplus. When Bush left office both had huge deficits, and they aren't getting any smaller. President Bush rarely used his veto pen, and while republicans ran the country the deficit sorred. It was a republican president, and treasury secritary that pushed the TARP program through congress, and used tax payer dollars to bail out billionaires. Now all of the sudden republicans are shocked and amazed that we have a huge budget deficit, and it is democrats (president Obama specificly) that caused this problem. Do republicans really have amnesia?
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@hidden1money1secret (191)
• United States
12 Mar 09
The fact is Bush and the Republican Congress abandoned the conservative principles that Republicans are supposed to stand for. There is a huge difference between what true conservatives believe in and what the Republicans did. I am glad that at least now they are trying to stop even more wasteful spending. No amnesia here.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
13 Mar 09
I hate to tell you this, but I never heard any TRUE conservatives attack Bush in 2004. Nor do I remember conservatives asking for someone to run against Bush in 2004. During his first term Bush didn't veto one spending bill, he also spent billions on his own pet projects. Conservatives knew Bush wasn't a conservative during his first term, but they still voted for him. When you heard conservatives attacking the government for the TARP program you noticed two names missing from their attacks: Bush, and Paulson. Those were the two that told congress if they didn't act the economy would be totally destroyed. Yet, conservatives attack democrats in congress, and gave Bush and Paulson a pass. If you don't call his amnesia, then what do you call it?
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@hidden1money1secret (191)
• United States
13 Mar 09
I hate to tell YOU this, but no one asked ME who I wanted picked for the nomination. Besides, there are no conservatives that I know of in the media. They are all corporate shills. People debate over complete b.s. - democrat vs. republican, "my daddy is less of a fck up than yours". Frankly I'm sick of all the baby crap. Throw all of the damn losers out and start over. I hope it all collapses to tell you the truth - burn baby burn.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Mar 09
Dude, I've never held back from calling Paulson a complete moron. I voted against Bush in 2004 and I've also made no secret of saying that the bailout was a socialist tactic. Everyone who voted for it made a vote for socialism that day regardless of what party they were a member of. Obama voted for it, so he has no credibility when he tries to blame Bush for the bailout. That's like Hillary blaming Bush for the war in Iraq when she voted for it.
When this crap happens, you're either for it or against it. Well, I guess in Obama's case you can also be "present" but he didn't vote present on the bailout.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
13 Mar 09
I think they have selective memory going back to the Reagan years. They seem to think that our current financial crises started with Clinton and although they are sometimes willing to not let Bush I & 11 off the hook, they hold Reagan on a pedestal. Truth is it was Reagan who appointed Greenspan and Reagan who was the first to gut the banking regs that led immediately to the Keating scandal. Those same regs were later completely repealed under Clinton but they should never have been tampered with in the first place.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
14 Mar 09
I agree Irish, if you listen to conservatives they forget the Reagan left office with a recession, and the largest deficit in our nations history (sound familar?). I did kind of feel sorry for Bush Sr., he was left with Reagan's recession, but he did know what he was getting himself into. I do also find it funny that republicans blame Clinton for cutting our military when Bush Sr. and Cheney started his program. Speaking of the banking industry: Republicans don't remember the $200 million dollars that the banking industry sent to Washington (mostly republicans) to repeal the Glass Stegall Act. They had no problem taking the money, and now they have forgot all about what they did.
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@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
13 Mar 09
I'll say they do, they cannot remember how, when, or why the economic crisis started.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
12 Mar 09
I certainly don't have selective amnesia. There is no question that Bush was terrible at managing the economy and congress did a piss poor job as well. There is also no question that the debt didn't get completely out of control until the democrats took control of congress. It went up by almost 3 trillion after the first 6 years, and over 2 trillion in two years AFTER democrats took control of congress.
I don't know any republicans outside of our corrupt politicians, who supported that bailout. Even though Bush and Paulson pushed it, the majority of democrats in congress supported it and the majority of republicans opposed it. Obama and Biden both supported and voted for it so they can't pretend that they had nothing to do with it now. That's almost as lame as them claiming this new $410 billion spending bill is "last year's business".
Regardless of how Bush screwed up, Obama has still given us a deficit that is almost 4 times the biggest deficit Bush produced and he's done it in less than 2 months. Criticizing Bush won't change that. It just shows how low you are willing to set the bar for him.

@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
13 Mar 09
Taskr, as I recall Democrats didn't have a VETO proof majority during any of the time Bush was in office. So the only thing that Bush had to so is VETO the spending bills. But, he didn't do it when either party controlled congress. Find me one article before September 2008 where Democrats were talking about a bail out of billionaires? Taskr I am sure you can also blame Obama for alot of things, but they guy has been in office for not even two months. I am not setting the bar low, I am just giving FACTS, just as republicans did when Bush took office during a recession (I am sorry, I should have called it by what republicans called it: The Clinton recession, just as our current recession/depression is the Bush recession/depression).
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
13 Mar 09
Actually you are wrong greatdebater. Congress overrode Bush's veto in july of 2008. He vetoed a medicare bill and they overrode him.
I hope congress more responsible for the mess we are in than Bush. THey wrote the bills, they voted on them. THey could have stopped his vetos if htey wanted. When all the money really started flying the dems were in control and did not stop it. But that does not surprise me comparing they are spending us to h*ll right now.
Neither party knows what fiscal responsibility is. THey are just fight over who gets to control how it is wasted.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
13 Mar 09
Yep, many seem to. Bush, Paulson and Berneke and that damnable TARP? anyone? *crickets*
hmmmmm
That bill was orchestrated by the top 3 I mentioned and then voted for by Obama, McCain and a large majority of both parties. The tactics used to get it passed were remenicent of totalitarian tactics of hitler and stalin, with out right threats of martial law in a few meetings. It was a disgrace and everyone responsable and who put their signature on it aught to be investigated and charged.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
13 Mar 09
Stealthy, you forget that Bush didn't veto one spending bill in his first term. He never saw a spending bill that he didn't like, or try to get what he want out of it. Even if you take that spending out, Bush still left the country much worse off then when he came in.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
13 Mar 09
If I remember the first TARP bill was two (2) pages long and it was defeated by congress and the Democrats put together a comprimise bill that was several hundred pages long and with thier majority it passed. This was rushed through as the press and most politicians were yelling that the end was near and we had to act NOW. Many consertives were calling for increased protection the depositers through the FDIC and let the banks fail and the investers lose. It was Congress - Republicans and Democrats - who wanted to do somethng. The leaders of the consertive movement were calling for restraint and critizing President Bush for growing the budget and the governmnet.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
14 Mar 09
Bob, It was the president, and the secritary of the treasury that wanted the TARP program. Again, I ask anyone to show me where congress was talking about anything at all like this before Sept. 08. The same conservatives that voted for him in 2004, were not blaming him for doing the same thing he did in his first term. Lets all look at the facts, GWB was NO conservative in his first term, and every conservative knew it. During the election conservatives like Rush were saying they could see a tax and spender a mile away. Apparently, they and you were blinded by tax cuts, two big wars, and a good ol' boy drawl and smile. Bush never vetoed one spending bill in his first term, that is a fact. Every conservative knew what they were getting in 2004, yet the came out big for Bush, and know they have buyers remorse. It's a little to late for that.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Apr 09
Selective amnesia, double standards, whatever other words you can think of to describe our political leaders both parties have been guilty of it but the current Republicans are possibly the most guilty ever. On top of that, they're like a broken record; tax cuts for the rich and cuts in services for the poor is the only thing they've ever proposed and they haven't worked, yet they now want more of the same.
Annie
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
12 Mar 09
Thegreatdebater,
Talk about selective memory! Sure, it was a republican president that pushed for TARP and I personally disagreed with that, but, without a DEMOCRATIC congress, it just doesn't get done! Obama and the dems were frothing at the mouth to get this measure passed and then let's not forget that the new president and his minions in congress have (in less than 2 months) increased the budget deficit by over a TRILLION dollars and mostly with things that were un-necessary! PORK pure and simple! Everything that has been done so far, in the name of the economy, by both administrations, Bush AND Obama, have been to the detriment and harm of the American economy! The sad part is, if they had just done nothing, we would be no worse off and much much better off without the added debt!
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
13 Mar 09
Rodney, show me one article where democrats were talking about TARP before September. If a DEMOCRTAIC congresswas frothing at the mouth to get this done, then why did they wait for Paulson, and Bush to force them to do something? I do agree that Obama's stimulas does have some Pork in it, but look at the fact of where that Pork is going to: Many republican districts so they would for for it. The stimulas package wasn't a party line vote, republicans did vote for it, and they traded pork for their vote.
We will never know that would have happened if Bush and Paulson would have let all of the banks fail. But, we need to remeber who got us in this mess.
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