Does your religion teach Hate????

The world is like a giant puzzle. Everyone holds a special piece. Since everyone holds a different view of things, man gets a broader view than anyone can by themselves. When we close our mind to the possibilites, we narrow our view. It is then up to each other to shine the light into the darkness. Still, so many fight not to see the entire view by refusing the view others can bring. This does not mean that all other views are right but there is always something to learn from them. Thanks for your comments!!

I'm afraid I do not know much about the Hindu religion. I have long since walked my own path for that is where the true answers dwell. I have found that no religion carries all the answers. I have found some of God's answers in all of them. Your's I see does carry some answers as well. God has the sum of all knowledge so if one ever thinks they have all the answers, they have merely just quit asking questions. Thanks for the comments!

And yet, a God capable of creationing this universe alone, is capable of handling a few wayward children. No parent could ever throw their children in a fiery pit for eternity rather they will spend eternity to save their children. Thanks for the comments!!

Yes, it is true that many focus on the evils of religion. I believe in people. People of religion had caused lots of trouble in the past but they have also done good deeds as well. Just ask the third world if you can not believe this. Perhaps the true evil of religion is the narrowness of their views. There's is the only right answer and when you couple that with God's approval behind you, it can give people the excuse they need to justfy hate. I also think it is evil and hate that they find something wrong with everyone so that you need them to have God save you. I have always said that there are a millions lessons to learn around religion and very few about God. You are right. God is unconditional love!! Thanks for those comments!!

Noah's ark is just a story. It comes from a real flood that happened in ancient times where Iraq is today. There are lots of lessons going on in this world today. Since people learn through adversity,and since communications are better than any time in history, it seems the world is total evil and is going to hell. Rarely do you hear about the goodness going on but it is. You might not have to go through some of the lessons you witness in this world but watching just reminds us of what the right answer is. This world has a few more billion good years left in it. No need to worry just yet! Thanks for the comments!!

Very very good! Religion is unsound in it's exclusiveness. Perhaps the problem is when anyone thinks they carry all the right answers for there is so much more knowledge to learn. I have to argue with the spirituality running things. When you do bump into God, you realize spiritual might be our true nature and world but it is not the directing force in reality. Thanks for the comments!!

Perhaps, some of the holy books provide the excuse some need to act out in hate. After all, if you have God backing you, you can do anything you want>>Right?? If God were to ask me to kill someone, I'm going to do something religion tells you not to do. I'm going to QUESTION GOD!!! You have to remember, God is unconditional love. God has nothing to hide. He just loves those questions. After all, that is the road to learning and knowledge. God will never ask you to hate in any form or fashion. Man will!! Thanks for the comments!!

I appreciate your comments.

The truth is that the so-called holy books represent falsehoods because there isn't a consistent message of unconditional love in any of them. All of the mainstream religions have a history of killing other human beings. And there hasn't been any evidence of a LOVING "god" that intervenes when the killings start.

If a LOVING "god" existed "he" wouldn't stand idly by while "his" creatures (man) embarrasses "him" with their sickening violent acts. If a "god" exists, "he" hasn't done a brilliant job in the creation of human beings. "He" needs to go back to the drawing board and come up with a much improved version 2 of the current human being.

If a LOVING "god" existed "he" wouldn't allow such suffering and violence to exist. A loving "god" is not consistent with a suffering world.

As to whether or not there is a real "god", that's an entirely different discussion. My position is that the mainstream religions are false and all of them are created by men who don't understand that their teachings artificially divide the human race and provide the seeds for conflict and hatred.

Non of the mainstream religions are interested in working with each other to arrive at better human co-operation and worldwide understanding for the benefit of the entire human race.

Mainstream religions represent the BIGGEST failure in human thought. After hundreds of years is there any paradise that the mainstream religions can say that they have created on earth? They are complete and utter failures, pretending to show humanity the way. If their "god" was real we would all be converted by now, because we would all be mesmerized by their love and wisdom. But, that's not the case is it?

God is real. Though it seems like God should make nothing except paradise for everyone, that would defeat the real purpose>>our education. In order to really teach, the student must have free will. With bad choices comes consequences. People making bad choices get bad consequences to show them just what they are doing.There can be suffering in hard lessons. There can also be suffering in teaching. There are wonderful souls out there going through great suffering in order that someone sees. We will all teach in this world as well as learn. Maybe the very strongest souls teach the hardest lessons. Through it all, God has taken care of everything ahead of time for no matter what happens, we are all eternal. Seems we all must watch the hard lessons others go through but that is just to remind us what the true answers are. If everyone gave unconditional love to everyone else, this world would be a much different place. People have yet to learn this. Also this is one classroom with multiple levels. The troubled souls must be here for someone to teach them. Since most learn only through adversity, there will be drama. Don't let it bother you for that is where the learning is at. Thanks for the comments.

Thanks for your perspective.

I would prefer for the human race to be in a position where we didn't have to learn anything. Why? Because if we had ALL the creative knowledge in the universe, we would spend our entire time/life being CREATIVE and enjoying the universe in all it's glory, instead of the tedious process of acquiring knowledge.

Just imagine the dream of travelling millions of miles throughout the universe. How long is it going to take mankind to acquire this knowledge? Learning is a necessity in this universe as we now know it, but learning is boring compared to implementing knowledge in useful and exciting ways.

If a "god" created learning so that we can acquire knowledge through such a slow inefficient laborious tedious process, then that "god" seriously lacks imagination or "he" just enjoys making things difficult for humans so that "he" can observe, with sick pleasure, our enduring suffering instead of enjoying life.

If a deity ("god") created this universe and considered "his" work impressive, then I have to ask the question, "Based on 'his' unlimited imagination, is this world the best that 'he' could come up with? "Cockroaches? Human bodily waste? Bacteria? Flies? Malaria? Pain? Hate? Murder?" Well, all these things can only point to a "god" that must have a twisted imagination.:)

My viewpoint is that a personal deity ("god) doesn't exist.

My view is that "god" is simply a human concept.

There's only ONE thing that every human being wants: happiness. And for thousands of years religion has failed to help the human collective to arrive at that destination.

The ONLY important all-embracing human positive concept is the demonstration of love and the willingness to make efforts to understand your fellow man. In the broad scheme of human existence, nothing else really matters.

One must learn how to walk before one can learn how to run. Without the struggle to attain knowledge you would not learn wisdom. It is nice to be able to fly across the universe, but such capabilities takes great power and knowledge that could hurt more than you imagine. Power corrupts too easy when the knowledge is not earned. You speak of finding happiness. Happiness is at the hand of everyone on Earth. Happiness is merely a CHOICE to be made. You have the power to choose what you deem important in this world. Perhaps, it's time for new choices. Yes, this world has it's struggles and adversity. Though they seem forever,they will not last. We have all had that taste of heaven. Perhaps, we are all just spoiled to want eternal bliss and nothing else. Kiddies have to go to school. Can't be idle for eternity for you could never be happy like that. God loves all His children unconditionally. Knowledge solves all problems but most of the time it takes adversity to get people to go in search of knowledge. Thanks for the comments.

Your view of existence is diametrically opposed to mine.:)

You believe in a personal "god" that has a personality. I believe that there is only creative nature which does not have a personality and that does not consciously decide on events in the universe.

My view is that if a loving "god" existed, then a perfect world would have been created in the first instance. Pain and suffering wouldn't exist and there wouldn't be a food chain wherein, for example, animals hunt and kill other animals for food. A loving and caring "god" would not create such a reality.

To my mind, if an intelligent "god" really existed, that "god" would create natural laws in the universe so that infinite knowledge would ONLY ENLIGHTEN instead of CORRUPTING. In other words, the current "law" created by a supposed "god" made the acquisition of extensive knowledge a highly likely CORRUPTING influence instead of a highly likely ENLIGHTENING experience.

From my viewpoint, the "god" that many people refer to, isn't intelligent at all.

Happiness isn't a choice if someone ends up disfigured for life after a car accident. That's not a choice. Being born blind and with missing limbs isn't a choice to be made. Suffering from cancer is not a choice to be made for happiness. All these UNHAPPY events are made possible by the laws of the universe that are created by a supposed "god" that loves humanity.

The existence of a loving deity doesn't make sense in the broad scheme of extensive human experience throughout the thousands of years of existence.

As I've said to many people before: "If the laws of the universe were created so that mankind could only make choices based on good, better, and best, then happiness would be guaranteed". And that's why the existence of a loving "god" can be discounted, because BAD choices were created (assuming that a "god" exists) so that mankind could select from that BAD basket of goods.

Why would a food store knowingly grow and provide a rotten BAD apple for its customers to potentially choose and consume?

Wouldn't a food store simply provide the best possible selection of apples that would ensure that its customers choose wisely so that they (the customers) will enjoy a pleasurable healthy experience?

This so-called "god" doesn't have any integrity at all. This isn't surprising because "god" is a concept developed throughout the ages by people from around the world.

I do see this world as perfect. The picture always changes with information. How could you know good if there wasn't bad??? If this world had only good, better, and best, you would not have free will. You would not have any need to be anything but a couch potato.People do get cancer and disease. Where would our medical knowledge be without the need to cure. When cancer is finally cured, there will be a new disease, a new lesson for man to learn. While it's true we do not set the parameters of our life, we do have free choice of our thoughts and actions. Parameters are set for the lessons in life we are to learn and for those around us we teach. I have a very good friend in a wheel chair. He is very bad crippled. Do you know when he enters the room he lights up every soul around him. He give nothing except love and kindness to everyone. You can feel this man radiate JOY. I asked him how he could be so happy. He said that if you are not happy, no one wants to be around you. He said that his attitude can lift spirits of everyone around him,and he does have a choice to be happy. Sure he can't change being cripple but he can use what he does have to change the world even if it is just the world around him.>>>>>>> So try to look on the bright side.Use what you do have. If this badly deformed man is truly happy, I should be able to be happy as well. IT IS A CHOICE!!>>>>>>>> Never forget even though life can get tough at times, God has fixed this ahead of time. We are eternal. When this particular lesson is done, God will show you that it has never been about punishment. God will show you unconditional love. This will remove your hurt and you will see. Until then, look for the goodness in this world. Try to see what it is you are to learn or teach others. I have found that when one gives to others, their own trouble isn't so bad and then comes the positive feedback. Thanks for the great comments and in spite what all the religions have told you. GOD LOVES YOU UNCONDITIONALLY!!

Can you explain what is perfect about disease and suffering?

You look at the world and see no possible way for it to exist other than the way it is now.

I look at this world and see how it could exist differently. For example, I look at mosquitoes that spread malaria and say that a loving "god" would never create such an insect that lives on the blood of human beings. What is perfect about that? Is the creation of the mosquito an idea that encapsulates love? Doesn't make any sense.

If you could only choose good, better, and best, then that would simply be the CHOICES made AVAILABLE to you. You simply exercise free will within the parameters of ONLY GOOD THINGS, not BAD THINGS. The irony is that your "loving god" CREATES EVIL CHOICES for human beings to choose from. So, your "loving god" CREATED THE CONCEPT OF EVIL from which mankind makes EVIL CHOICES. Why did your "loving god" have to create EVIL CHOICES from which mankind has to select? Do you understand my point? In other words, your "loving god" is the creator of EVIL choices made available to mankind. How does that equate to a "loving god"? It doesn't, does it? Instead of your "all-knowing god" creating concepts that reflect perfect love, "he" comes up with ideas and choices that lead to pain and suffering. And this pain and suffering is also created by your "god" because "he's" the one that created EVERYTHING. Doesn't make any sense.

If your "god" couldn't create a perfect world where there is ONLY LOVE without suffering, then "he" shouldn't have pressed the creation "button". According to believers, nothing existed until "god" created it. So, there is no escaping the view that this "god" is fully responsible for "his" creation, both indirectly and directly, even in the face of so-called free will.

The idea of a "loving god" is human fantasy. Sea creatures eat and destroy each other. What's perfect about that? What is perfect about one life-form destroying another? Does that fact reflect the "mind" of a "loving god" who could have come up with more wholesome ideas such as creatures who can simply extract nutrients from the atmosphere or feed on plants or some other form of food other than the flesh of another animal? Did "god" run out of compassionate ideas, or is "he" just evil?

I'm absolutely certain that your crippled friend would be gloriously happier if he wasn't crippled. His happiness is not PERFECT HAPPINESS, because his life will forever be a reminder that his body doesn't have the 100% capability it should have. Now, that is NOT A CHOICE. He can't be PERFECTLY HAPPY. However, he can choose to make a mental and emotional effort to move closer to 100% happiness. But sadly, he'll never be 100% happy in the true sense of the word. And that's not his fault. It's the unfortunate reality of his life.

YOU CANNOT HAVE PERFECT HAPPINESS IF YOU DO NOT HAVE PERFECT HEALTH. ALTHOUGH YOU CAN ADJUST YOUR MINDSET TO DEAL WITH MISFORTUNES IN HEALTH.

Once ALL of mankind understands that there aren't any "gods" to save us from suffering, then we will begin to make great progress in truly loving one another as human beings, realising that we ALL want to simply be HAPPY during our time on this planet. Religion misses this fact and continues with its confused messages of misplaced love from a "god" that makes every effort to hide "himself while mankind suffers with its own weaknesses, purportedly created by a "loving god".

Mankind needs a new philosophy which emphasises the universal oneness of the human race. Religion is based on division and thinking of your fellow human beings as different, simply on the basis of belief. And that is dangerous to harmonious loving human relationships.

Religion is a failed system of thought.

If this so-called "god" existed, and if this so-called "god" loved "his" creation, "he" wouldn't have created DEATH as a "punishment" for humanity. The CREATION OF DEATH AS A PUNISHMENT IS PROOF THAT THIS SO-CALLED "GOD" REPRESENTS A LIE.

In other words, "Which loving father would CREATE a punishment called DEATH and still claim that he is the perfect representation of LOVE?"

The "God" that you describe doesn't exist within the human experience that spans thousands of years.

I can see you are hurting. I can see you do not understand. Isn't life more than pleasure and pain?? Death is not punishment. Death is no more than a change. We are all spiritual beings in our true nature. We are eternal!!! No matter what happens, YOU WILL BE OK!!! Now about sickness and disease, would man ever gain medical knowledge if there were no disease???? THINK ABOUT IT!! When times are good, we sit back and enjoy the ride. Only when adversity hits do we have to think,plan,study,analyze, and learn so many lessons along the way. If you lived in a world custom made without problems, just how smart would you be? There has to be more than doing nothing. You do receive lessons from God through the consequences of your actions. The parameters of your life are set by God. Who else knows what parameters to set than the teacher. Be free to select what ever choices you want. If you weren't free to select evil or do evil deeds, how would you ever know what it was??? You do not have to choose evil, but doing so TEACHES YOU FROM THE CONSEQUENCES!!!We are also going to help teach each other. Example: a person who is sick will help the scientist learn. Everyone helps teach. The dynamics of all the interactions is above our vision. When you leave this physical world, God will show you unconditional love which will heal all hurt. IT HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT PUNISHMENT!!!!! Know that all that we can learn takes more than one lifetime so relax. As for my crippled friend, you do not understand Happiness. I hope you will one day. My cripple friend is happy. The physical problems are just an inconvenience. Remember, we are spiritual beings. Work at healing your hurt spirit. Though you must watch a lot of other people learning lessons, it just reminds us all what our right choices were. Hope this helps some. Thanks for all your great comments!!!

To sum up my position: any "god" that purportedly creates a world where pain and suffering are the basis of learning, cannot be a loving deity.

Also, no human being has ever proven the existence of ANY "god". It's obvious to me that it's ALL speculation. "God" is simply an idea.

And the world isn't perfect because the natural creative process behind the universe isn't perfect.

Can you answer the following question: what is perfect about a lion killing and eating an elephant, bearing in mind that your fictitious "god" is a loving creator?

Would I be correct in saying that YOUR understanding of YOUR "god" is simply based on YOUR OWN independent interpretation of such books as the bible and koran?

If so, then you are amongst many thousands who simply have a different perspective on written religious texts. Some people will agree with your viewpoint, while others such as myself will see MASSIVE HOLES in your position. EVERYTHING discussed in relation to "god" and religion is merely OPINION and a lot of SPECULATION.

Until this "god" steps forward and proves "his/her/its existence, then it's safe to say that "god" is a figment of some peoples' imagination.

I don't think too many elephants get eaten by lions but I understand what you are saying.Survival of the fittest. By allowing the smartest and fittest to survive over others guaranties the most intelligent and advanced animals. Overcoming obstacles makes everybody wiser and stronger. Evolution is what allows our bodies to work so well. The best features survive because they are the best.The rest have to be eliminated from the gene pool. As far as what I know coming from religious book, I too have problems with most all of them. There are good things in all though. How could you argue with love your neighbor??? As far as proving God exists, you still do not understand, do you? I'm not trying to get you to believe. God is not trying to get you to believe. IT ISN'T ABOUT BELIEVING!!!! Let's look at how things really work. All the secrets of the universe are all around us. It is up to us to discover them. A test of intelligence. Who can discover. Who wants to discover. First you have to want to discover. If you do not care to discover anything then you need an excuse. Solve a problem that comes up. Everyone will learn in their life. God does exist. God can be found! Like you said. It won't be through religious books. The problem comes from man's narrow vision. To find God you are going to have to get out of the box. God is very very smart! Going to have to stretch. Start with trying to Understand what is going on in this world. Just like all the physics add up, so does the people factor but that is more complex with our infinite diversity and interaction. Perhaps when you can get a view of how God is doing things maybe you can figure out the rest. Knowledge has to be earned for us to gain wisdom. I am learning everyday. What I learn is that there is Soooo much more to know. If this is all too much for you, remember, Be who you must! It's a part of the plan! But you are capable of more than you realize.It's all right in front of you!!! What will it be??

Can you provide a PRECISE definition of the "god" you are talking about?:-)

Is it the "god" of the bible?

Is it the "god" of the koran?

Is it a NEW "god" created in your own imagination based on your reading of mainstream religious texts?

Does the "god" you refer to, have the ability to think, talk, etc?

WHAT IS THIS INVISIBLE "GOD" YOU TALK ABOUT?

Please define "god", because I thought your ideas were coming from your reading of religious texts.

My view is that "god" as described by religious texts, such as the bible and the koran, is false.

I believe in creative energy, which doesn't have a personality or a personal plan for mankind.

But your views seem to suggest that the "god" you refer to, has a personality. Is that the case, or am I mistaken?

What's your definition of "god" and how did you arrive at such a definition?

You are not open to the possibilities so does it really matter what I say? You see only what you want to see. Don't depend on me to lead you on YOUR journey to God. The one your anger keeps you from. Discovery of knowledge should be yours.You speak of God as a thing. Whose God? Like God belongs to me or someone else. I once led a friend straight to God's door.God taught me that not everyone is ready. My friend ended confused. That is why your journey must be your own. Until you are ready, you will not understand. God has an IQ off the scale. We are ants I promise you. God does not think like me for my vision is sooo narrow. I work on that everyday. Can you get direct communication to and from God?? Yes! I will leave those detail for if and when you actually do. Hold onto your hat!! You do have a ways to go before you could or would understand. It's all up to you and God.

I ALWAYS find it FUNNY that when you ask a believer about defining their "god", they respond just like you. Believers can offer all sorts of statements about their "god" as if they know specifically what their "god" is, but the moment you ask them about the characteristics or definition of this invisible "god", they begin providing excuses as to why it might not be worth their while to try to enlighten you. Very strange indeed. Doesn't add up, does? I "smell" dishonesty ALL the time when I ask a believer to define their "god" who they claim to know so well.

How can believers find it impossible to define their "god" if they know their "god" so very well?

"God" is loving. "God" is caring. "God" wants us to learn. Are those statements true? Is "god" speaking to you in person? How have you been able to draw your conclusions?

If your "god" really existed, you couldn't lead me to him/her/it because you can't even answer the basic question of what your "god" is.

Just like other believers, your statements are based on your own PERSONAL interpretation of life. Your statements are merely opinions born out of your own active imagination and thought processes.

According to your view of reality, we are here on this planet to learn and grow. So, why haven't you remained consistent with that perspective by answering such a basic question as defining what you mean by "god"? Do you recognise that obvious contradiction?

Let's assume that I'm closed-minded: what is your problem in simply explaining what your "god" is? After all, you seem to have a very in depth knowledge about this "god" and you believe that we're ALL here to learn.

I'm not closed-minded. I just ask believers tough questions and raise tough issues that believers like you constantly struggle with, even while you ALL claim to have an intimate knowledge of a highly intelligent "god".

But that intelligent "god" who you claim to know so well, doesn't seem to have described himself/herself/itself to you so that you can answer a simple question about what that "god" actually is.

ALL believers typically give vague responses as to what this invisible "god" is, and that's after thousands of years of human history. And you are still struggling with your own definition of "god". That's not surprising. You are human. And as creative human beings, our imagination gets the better of us from time to time, to the point wherein we fantasise about the possibilities of the future.

You are no less prone to these human fantasies. And that's why you are unable to specifically define your "god".

How can you describe something that you don't honestly KNOW? You can't.

Not really knowing just what you want, I'll describe what I know of God. God is a spiritual being of great knowledge and abilities. That's about all I can say. Hasn't that already been said??

Thanks for that response. Just what I was looking for. Now I know your position EXACTLY.

I don't believe in the existence of any sort of spiritual deity, especially if that "god" is described as a loving creator.

For example: I don't see the LOVE represented in the creation of blood-sucking mosquitoes that spread malaria. I don't see the LOVE and COMPASSION in creating animals that kill and eat other animals. Such a "creator" must have a twisted notion of LOVE and COMPASSION. Do some animals enjoy being chased and killed and eaten? Seems sickening to me. Definitely not a "god" that deserves appreciation and praise as far as I'm concerned.

You're entitled to your viewpoint. We just see life differently.

I thought I explained alot of this in a previous comment......... Anyway your belief that there is no God is perfectly OK. It has never been my task to get you to believe in anything. Believing has never been important to God and now myself. Something about religion, God, or something in this world has hurt you deeply. There are reasons behind everything. I hope you find yours. Sometimes we get so deeply involved in a problem we can not see. I suggest you take a few steps back then look at things from outside. We all have the power to choose what we deem important in this world. Sometimes it's so easy to focus only on what is right in front of us rather than looking at the BIG picture. There are answers but you are going to have to want to find answers. Wisdom is gained from the solving. If we need to change but refuse, one usually hurts until it is easier to change. All change comes from ourselves.......... No matter what. You are a child of God! You are loved just as you are! You are eternal! You will not be left behind! YOU WILL UNDERSTAND ONE DAY! Life is more than pain. Please try not to focus so much on it. Shouldn't we all choose that learning, growing, and unconditional love are so much more important than any growing pain that comes our way??.......Take care my friend!!

I love life. (LOL)

What drives my views are the obvious inconsistencies of those who belief in a "loving personal god" and their pretence at wisdom. It's laughable in this complex universe which NO man fully understands. No one has ever made direct contact with this so-called "god". Have you? (LOL).

The most UNIVERSAL and BEST "religion" is LOVE FOR HUMANITY. All the other religions pale into insignificance.

Of course life is more than pain. And I get a LOT of pleasure from life.

Wisdom and the BIG picture becomes moot when a loving "god" creates mosquitoes to suck my blood and cause pain and discomfort. How wise is that? Please ... please explain the BIG picture as it relates to malaria-carrying mosquitoes. This is a question you have failed to answer thus far. And it's such a straight-forward question. Or is the question too complex for your level of "god-given" wisdom?

There are reasons behind everything? Is that true? What is the REASON behind "god"?

What's important in this world is for every human being to be happy on this earth. Every human being should have shelter from the harsh elements of nature. Every human being should never have a day in their lives when they starve. Children should not live in a world where they go to landfill sites to scavenge for their daily sustenance. People should not make unsubstaniated claims about the existence of a "loving god" unless those people can share compelling evidence to share with the world in such a way as to light the path for miraculous progress for human happiness. Those are just a few of the things that are important in this world. And no "wise" person has yet paved the way for universal human happiness.

That's the ultimate quest my dear friend: UNIVERSAL HUMAN HAPPINESS!

Until all peoples of the world apply the philosophy of UNIVERSAL HUMAN HAPPINESS, we will ALL fail in our effort to make this world a better place. We can only claim true wisdom when, for example, there isn't a single starving human being on this planet. Talking about private individual wisdom and the idea of a "loving god" is absolutely useless in the midst of human starvation in different parts of the world.

If religious people and groups buried their differences and came together to apply the principles of UHH in an effort to take practical steps to help to reduce world starvation, how many starved individuals would see their fellow human beings in a brighter and glorified light?

Religious people talk ... and talk, but they lack the power to demonstrate miracles on earth even though they claim the wisdom of a "god" that loves ALL of humanity. Hmmm ... there's definitely something wrong with that picture.

I understood a LONG time ago that no religious person or religious group has the wisdom and the answers to humanities problems; and that's after HUNDREDS of years of their "god-given" wisdom. And I don't expect that fact to change.:-)

Direct contact with God? yes! If you tell anyone you have direct contact with God, you are automatically a candidate for the nut house. If you ever do, remember this. Universal happiness. It that all man needs to be?? universally happy??? Is it all about pleasure with you? Do you only value feelings?? Do you expect all your problems to be solved for you??? Do you expect someone who loves you to do everything for you? Hey God do it all or you don't exist!! I want nothing except eternal bliss and happiness!! Don't give me knowledge or wisdom. I don't want to know anything. I want eternal happiness!!!! How loving would God be if He did not educate you???? Not very in my book. Mosquitoes. Bottom of the food chain. Man learns how an eco system can sustain itself without any external help. We aren't there yet! Why do it? One day man will terraform say Mars. Got to have know how?? Maleria?? Medical knowledge would not advance without a reason to study medicine. When a disease is cured, a new one develops>>Reason It's the next lesson!! Reason why God created all us? It's the joy of watching you discover,learn and grow. If you have kids, you will understand. You have to pull back your feelings then think. God is very very smart. You will not ever understand without deep thought. Let's assume there is a God. If you were God, how would you create the world? All couch potatoes doing nothing except eternal happiness Or have well educated, well round souls with wisdom that spans the ages. Think about this. Stop feeling about this. Religion always wants you to FEEL!! I WANT YOU TO THINK!! The reason I write discussions in religion is to get people to think then search for the truth. Sometimes I do say too much. Probably in your case. You should search for your own knowledge.For me to give all answers would deprive you of the wisdom you gain in the search. God doesn't do it. Perhaps, I shouldn't as well. Something for me to think about!!

If you say that you've had direct contact with "god", you could very well be a nut-case. However, there isn't a way for me to determine whether or not that is the case unless I received a psychiatrist's analysis of your state of mind. You could be delusional without you even realising it.

What is the point of living on this planet if we are unable to enjoy our existence? Isn't it ideal that diseases should be conquered so that we can spend more time and resources and creative energy on better things? Who, for example, wants to spend their life battling disease?

You're not understanding my position at all: the problems faced by mankind can only be solved through the collective co-operation of fellow human beings. A "god" does not exist who will come down to earth and directly work alongside us. That "god" is a fantasy. And that's why human beings have always had to struggle to find answers to their problems. You believe in an invisible spirit that no human being has ever seen. That "god" might exist privately and singularly in the minds of some people who may just happen to have a strange psychological profile. Is that possible? Of course it's possible.

If your "god" exists, do you think a 5-year-old child who is being physically harmed in an intimate way by an adult, needs immediate help? Or, does your "god" simply watch the ordeal of such a defenceless child and think that the child doesn't need any HELP in such a dire situation? Seeing that you're in contact with "god", what's "his answer? His your "god" or jesus or allah going to come out of hiding and prevent that innocent child from suffering a possible horrific death? Are you beginning to see where I'm coming from? Is "god" going to do ANYTHING for this child? I KNOW the answer: your "god" would be enjoying the view. That's how loving your "god" is. But, of course, your "god" simply resides only in an active imagination, so I wouldn't expect any miracles.

No, I don't want loved ones to do everything for me. However, I do enjoy developing worthwhile projects with loved ones wherein we all get together and individually contribute creative ideas. It would be great if your invisible "god" visited ALL of mankind to throw in a few ideas here and there. Wouldn't your "god" be a good CEO for any human project geared towards discovery and happiness? When was the last time your "god" showed up in front of the whole of humanity? When was the last time "he" showed "his" reassuring presence? Let me know.

The desire for knowledge and wisdom is absolutely fine. Pain and suffering isn't acceptable. Some people go through so much pain and suffering to the point where they lose hope and commit suicide. You do understand that word, don't you? For some, life becomes unbearable and they see no way out except to go into permanent sleep. But, of course, you think that learning is worth the price of suffering, even if it means that there are thousands of human beings who kill themselves because they can't cope with life.

You've put your "god" into a limiting box because you seem to be saying that your "god" could only structure the acquisition of knowledge based on the requirement to suffer, then to learn from that suffering on the route to wisdom. Your imaginary "god" is cruel. How many people so far this year have died from the pressures of life?

I've got my own knowledge. I don't need to parrot private individually unsubstantiated claims that parade as knowledge and wisdom. Ask a group of believers what is their definition of their "god" and you'll get as many different descriptions.

I was only interested in your viewpoint, hence the questions. And as I've pointed out before, I don't agree with your position.

Believers have a far way to go in using language that makes sense to ALL of mankind. And talking in the context of an invisible "god" doesn't add any integrity to their outlandish unsubstantiated claims.

Yes, there is a lot you do not understand. The dynamics of this world are amazing. The interactions and their reasons are not always simple. Example. If a person chooses to murder, that means that this person doesn't really understand what murder really is and how it effects people. At somepoint in time this soul will have a lesson to learn. Parameters will be set. Perhaps in his next life the murderer will have his own child murdered. He will see and understand the consequences of what murder really is. If he still does not see or understand, the lesson is repeated. What about the child? We are all meant to teach. Would you be willing to go through suffering in order that someone else will SEE? Everyone will teach. There are souls who volunteer to help. We are all eternal so one lifetime doesn't describe it all. Now here comes you. You are like all men including me. We have a narrow view. We see nothing but horror in the murder of the child. We don't see all what is happening. Things that we see in this world are sometimes someone else's lesson. It is a reminder to us of what the true answers are. Have you ever had someone that you tried to help and hard as you might you could never help them? You will not be able to interfere with the lesson. I understand this is hard for you. Don't ever think God doesn't give people ideas to help themselves. That happens everyday. As we all well know people do make horrible decisions at times. Everything you do will come back to you in time. That merely shows you just what you are doing. Perhaps the only true way to see. If you still do not understand, that's OK. You will in time. We all do.

More so: there's a lot that you don't understand.:-)

"... effects people." You mean "... affects people". You've used the wrong word.

It's always the same type of predictable responses from believers which can be summed up as, "Who cares if the child suffers and dies a horrible death. That child's suffering is for the purpose for others to learn".

Your philosophy is a sick one. No doubt about that.

LET's ALL REJOICE IN SUFFERING AND DEATH BECAUSE THEY ARE A PART OF A LOVING "GOD'S" PLAN FOR ALL OF US. (LOL)

Is it any surprise that religious people and religious institutions have brought so much suffering and war to mankind? No surprise at all.

"Perhaps ..."? I thought you were in contact with "god" "who" can provide you with direct answers. Did "god" tell you to use the word "perhaps" because "god" himself doesn't know the answer? (LOL) In other words, "You don't KNOW the answer to the scenario I've presented. You're just coming up with YOUR OWN thoughts. Or, is "god" guiding you?"

The use of the word "perhaps" clearly indicates that you don't have a precise grasp of your own philosophy. You're just speculating. Hmmm ... there's still a lot you don't understand, including your vague grasp of your own self-constructed philosophy.

Your philosophy has no place in reality, and it is a SICK and TWISTED viewpoint that says that suffering is okay as a means to an end. It is a philosophy that does NOT have ANY COMPASSION for human beings. It's a sick perspective that will never be embraced by mankind.

How barbaric:

- Disease exists so that we can learn
- Murder exists so that we can learn
- Abuse in all its forms exists so that we can learn
- Animals kill and eat other animals so that we can learn
- Death exists so that we can learn
- Hate exists so that we can learn
- Envy exists so that we can learn
- Greed exists so that we can learn

To sum it up:

EVIL IS A WONDERFUL THING BECAUSE IT WILL TEACH YOU TO BE GOOD. IT IS THROUGH BAD THINGS THAT WE GROW AND LEARN AND ACQUIRE KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM. AND "GOD" MADE THINGS THIS WAY AS A PART OF "HIS" LONG-TERM PLAN FOR ALL OF US (LOL)

Well, obviously, the christians, the catholics, and the muslims, have got it all wrong, haven't they? And your SELF-MADE philosophy reigns supreme. (LOL)

I already know that your philosophy is made up by you. And I don't subscribe to the religious views of ANY human being whose life spans a tiny fraction of the age of the universe, which is billions of years old. (LOL)

I understand that what you say is based on YOUR OWN limited notions of life on this planet and within this expansive universe.

You do not have the answers. Religious people have never provided answers of any substance. They only shout the loudest.:-)

Don't go over the deep end just yet!!! God does not give anyone all the answers. Knowledge has to be earned. You would not gain wisdom any other way.This includes me. As far as evil goes, God gives you a well rounded education. Can you know goodness without evil? Can you know happiness without sadness? Can you know what is right without discovery of what is wrong through the consequences of your actions. You place conditions for God to exist in a reality of which could never be. If you had a world that always went your way, how long would it be before you were sick of not ever having a challenge??? Eternal happiness will not bring you happiness. If you continue with your narrow view of things, how can you ever see anything but your own hate for religion and people. Hate, envy, wars are all here because people choose it. Religions also teach love. People have freedom to choose. Some choose hate. Do you send that child to hell? No you fix the problem through lessons. Everybody wants to rule the world. I can see you do as well. L can not wrap God around my finger as some people claim to do. You will not be able to wrap God around your finger as well. Any answers God gives me will not change the lessons I have to learn.Kiddies can fight school all they want, but they have to go. Would you let your children go without any education at all in favor of having a good time??? Speaking of death, you place soooo much importance on it. Death is no more than a CHANGE! Perhaps, yes, I use perhaps alot, I use it mostly to smooth out my writing for I am often too direct. Perhaps, one should focus on LIVING!

Still not getting my point: "I DON'T BELIEVE IN AN INVISIBLE GOD LIKE YOU DO."

ALL your views are based on the ASSUMPTION THAT AN INVISIBLE GOD EXISTS. AND THERE IS NO SUBSTANCE TO SUCH AN ASSUMPTION.

When I mention "god", I put the word in quotation marks because the word does NOT represent anything that is real and openly identifiable by any living human being, even though you claim to have come in contact with "god".:-)

My point that you are not understanding is that, "IF your "god" really exists, then that "god" cannot be a loving "god" because "he" created a world where "he" thinks suffering is a good thing as a route to learning. IF "god" exists, is suffering the ONLY idea "he" could arrive at? Couldn't the world be created in such a way wherein there is temporary extended pain without death? Of course your "god" could have done this IF "he" existed and IF "he" was all-knowing. But according to your position, your "god" couldn't have done a better job in creating this world, which you view as perfect."

Well, nature does not create perfection. That is why the world is the way it is. Nature does not care what it creates.

Wrap "god" around my finger? (LOL) Your "god" doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned. Do you not understand my viewpoint?

Rule the world? (LOL) I want people to think for themselves. I want people to not simply accept what their other fellow human beings say about this world in which they live without asking a barrage of relevant tough questions. In my entire life I HAVE NEVER EVER ENCOURAGED ANYONE TO ACCEPT MY VIEWS. I ONLY SHARE MY THOUGHTS AND ASK UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTIONS. That's all I do. Unlike religious people who pretend that they know the answers to life's mysteries while presenting an invisible faceless "god" without evidence of existence. How dishonest is that? I would say, "very dishonest".

Religious people want to influence and rule the world by claiming a "god" exists, without them making the honest effort to prove their position. They can devote their time to numerous utterances, but they find it IMPOSSIBLE to spend the same amount of time to prove their case. Utterances ... and utterances and ... utterances ... BUT NO PROOF. When religious people are saddled with the issue of evidence and proof, it's as if you've assailed them with expletives. They just can't handle the questions.

I don't hate believers. Like you, they are fully entitled to their viewpoints. They are human beings who have different backgrounds and life experiences that have helped to form their opinions and views on life.

What I do not appreciate is unsubstantiated religious claims.

Religion has a long history of deceiving, abusing, and frightening people into submission. Religious people once ruled the world and if they had a chance once again they would jump at the opportunity to try and control the minds and lives of their fellow man. Religious institutions are already using advanced psychological techniques to control their congregations.

Death is a central element to all our lives. Living is also -- in equal measure -- important. Being born marks the beginning of the journey towards death. Don't trivialise it.

"Death is no more than a change!" Another unsubstantiated claim. Can you back up that statement? How do you KNOW that death is no more than a change? What's your source of such profound knowledge? I'm fascinated. (LOL)

Why would you use the word "perhaps" in an inappropriate context. Simply, just continue being direct. As a religious person, doesn't that strike you as dishonest communication? You can't be trusted with your use of words, can you? Or, is your inappropriate use of the word "perhaps", inspired by "god"?

I focus on living every day. And I love life. But there are times when there's a need to take a serious stance against those who pretend that they KNOW what and who "god" is. The verdict has long been established: NO ONE KNOWS.

You make assumptions as well. God is not my belief. I try to explain part of what is actually happening in this world but you make judgement calls with a very limited view of things. Can you make judgement calls based on your assumptions? Truth be told. You are not open to the possibility that God exists no matter what is told to you. You will fight to find imperfection in anything to justify your beliefs. If God actually knocked on your door, you would choose to hear nothing. I am not trying to get you or anyone to believe. If a person can not be open and willing to explore the possibilities no matter what the truth is, he shelters himself from the truth. He puts himself in a box. Yes, I too have had problems with religion but unlike you I have always been open for truth even if it is the truth I don't currently believe in. I have searched for truth and continue to search for knowledge for I find an endless supply of things to learn. As for your hard questions, I have no problem. Seems like you already have your answers before you ask them. How can you discover anything knowing it all?? That too is a lesson to learn. If you continue to stand soooo close to the picture, you can only see imperfections. Take a few steps back. Try seeing the good in this world. Why do you choose to see only bad? If you claim this world is so badly designed, you be God. How would you create your world. Now I'll tell you what is wrong with it. Let's put the shoe on the other foot!!!!

"God is not my belief." Haven't you stated that you have been in contact with "god"? Haven't you also stated that "god" is a spiritual being? So, when you say that "god" is not YOUR belief, what do you mean?

My judgement call, as you describe it, is merely focused on your unsubstantiated statements as they relate to an invisible "god". Throughout your posts, you have made statements in relation to this invisible "god", which are presented as if they are factual. And no integrity has been established by providing intelligent support for those views. You have simply been uttering reckless statements, which are the typical staples used by religious people. For example, you still haven't answered the question:

"How do YOU KNOW that death is no more than a change?"

Of course I'm open to the possibility of the existence of "god". However, believers in "god" would need to precisely define what they mean when they use the word "god", and the burden of proof rests on those who are believers. If someone says that "god" exists, then that person should be confident enough to present a robust case for that belief. Otherwise, it's just as well that they accept that fairies exist.

Another aspect of belief is faith. The problem is that faith is a way of saying, "I don't know if what I believe is ABSOLUTELY true, but I accept it as being so, although it is POSSIBLE that I MIGHT BE WRONG." In other words, "My views in regard to the existence of 'god' are merely my opinions. I could be wrong".

What is dishonest about believers is that they present their OPINION as fact and many of them simply want you to accept their OPINION. How weird is that? (LOL)

We ALL have different views on the world. You have concerns about this world and I have concerns as well. And it's okay for me to take issue with your perspective and vice versa.

There is beauty in this world and there is ugliness in this world. And because I have a "naturalistic" perspective, I look at nature and see how this world isn't perfect in terms of the horrors that nature makes possible. For example, lifeforms destroying other lifeforms. Or, having to defecate because the food taken into the body cannot be fully absorbed. It has to be excreted as a foul-smelling substance. But nature doesn't care what it produces, even if it's disgusting to us humans. This is another example of imperfection in my eyes, because it's an unpleasant process that creates waste that human beings would rather avoid.

If nature was perfect and truly efficient, then the perfect combination of body characteristics and food characteristics would lead to the body not having to create faecal matter. In your eyes, as a believer, you see "god's" perfection in this situation. Well, I don't. And you can clearly understand why I feel that way. Because, if an all-knowing intelligent "god" engineered the human body to create disgusting waste for human beings to deal with, then I'm not impressed with your "god" IF "he" exists.

I'm after truth. I often say that NO human being exists who can lead anybody to this invisible "god". IF "god" exists "he's" intelligent enough to present "himself" in a form and manner that will convince any human being about "his" existence. I don't need to consider the vague unsupported claims of fallible human beings who pretend they have the answers to the mysteries of life.

TRUTH should always be subject to supporting evidence. Otherwise, let's also believe in invisible fairies.

If you don't have any problems with my questions, you can answer the question related to your unsubstantiated claim about death being no more than change.

I search for knowledge also. That's why I don't make reckless statements. And that's why I question things and mull them over in my mind.

I see beauty in the world also. But I also see the horror and struggle for survival. I have a balanced perspective.

If I created this world all animals could feed on specialised nutritious foods created specifically for them. There would be no need for human beings to witness animals ripping out the intestines of other animals.

No human being would be able to damage and kill another human being because I would create the laws of nature so that such acts are impossible.

You could travel through space at the speed of light to explore the universe.

And, of course, perfect nutritional environments and bodily functions without the formation of bodily waste. Imagine not needing a water closet. Now, that's perfect. (LOL). Hmmm ... I wonder why "god" didn't have the imagination to create such a CLEAN alternative?

Could also make death/rotting flesh a thing of the past. Definitely much more wholesome than what we have now.

Conflict would be removed from the human psyche.

Just a few ideas that ANY worthy "god" could perform. In other words: ANY and EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE through ALL-KNOWING ABSOLUTE OMNIPOTENCE AND INTELLIGENCE. Aren't those the characteristics of your "god"?

The possibilities would be absolutely endless. There would be SO MANY POSITIVE POSSIBILITIES. The world would explode with joy and knowledge.

I don't think you care anything about truth. Are you active in seeking God???? I think not. You can not have proof that God does not exist. If you do not seek God, you do not care about the truth. If God truly does not exist, your search should go on forever. Tell me what you have been doing is searching. Hmmm???? You said so yourself. You expect God to come to you. You expect the answers to all come to you. Does acquiring knowledge really come that way???? Your narrow vision will only focus on you and your problems. Is there something that bodily waste can teach you or others?? Is it important to the self sustaining eco system?? Anything to learn?? Your narrow view is to yourself and your comfort. It's no wonder you can't find God. You do not search. You do not really care for the truth!

(LOL) Do you see your BIG ASSUMPTION?

Your assumption is that "god" exists. So, you go in search of that which you ASSUME exists, while inferring that your assumption is real; that "god" exists. In other words: you've already drawn the conclusion that "god" exists based on the ASSUMPTION that you started out with. Truth? Really? (LOL)

Now, let's assume that angels and fairies exist. Now that we have assumed that angels and fairies exist; now, let's go in search of them.:-)

Does "god" exist? NO ONE KNOWS. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THIS "GOD" IS. But it's highly improbable that this invisible "god" exists based on the weak arguments of believers who should have been able to prove their case after HUNDREDS OF YEARS of searching. By now, you should have a powerful fraternity of believers who can present a compelling case to the world, instead of hiding behind the idea that each individual has to go on a personal search to find this invisible "god". If everyone goes on a personal search to "find" this invisible "god", how does anybody KNOW that what they have "found" IS actually "god"? Will "god" shout in a loud voice, "Yes, you have found me?"(LOL)

Over the past thousands of years has any great philosopher proven the existence of a "god"? IF "god" exists, you cannot KNOW WHAT IT IS UNTIL that "god" explicitly reveals and IDENTIFIES itself to you. Otherwise, you will be using your own imagination to create a "god" based on your own ASSUMPTIONS and human perception because you don't KNOW the precise characterists of this ASSUMED "god".

Are you also in search of knowledge regarding fairies and angels? What is the difference between accepting that "god" exists and accepting that fairies and angels exist? (LOL) Do you believe in angels as referred to in the bible?

I don't focus on problems. I focus on believers who want to give the impression that they KNOW what they are talking about. They don't.

I'm not surprised that you haven't answered my question regarding death being merely change. The typical response of a believer who makes unsubstantiated claims without being able to back-up their statement, while claiming to HONESTLY be searching for "god". How ironic. (LOL)

Your limited view of your "god" and your less-than-objective observations of the reality of life doesn't allow you to criticise your "god's" supposed "great" creation. So, messy bodily functions exist for us to LEARN FROM, right? (LOL)

I really don't understand your obsession with the words "knowledge" and "learn" because you have demonstrated very little of both, except to make the usual religious generalised statements, and you still haven't answered the question regarding one of your unsubstantiated claims.:-)

Truth? You admit the possibility that God exists even though you do not believe God exists. If you really cared about truth, would you just sit around judging what others bring to you OR WOULD YOU ACTIVELY SEARCH FOR ANSWERS!!! I care about the truth. I have searched many years for answers. Can you allow those in religion who hurt you, cloud your view? Can you really call yourself objective? I am learning alot from you. What you bring to me shows me God's wisdom. I'm afraid there is lots to learn. God does not just give you information. He makes you earn it by the effort it takes to discover it all. Thereby only those who are hungry for knowledge get it. Perhaps, I am too free with my information but I kind of wanted the truth out there somewhere. It's out there now but spread out thin and hard for all but the vary wise to discover. Like you said. Lots of misinformation out there. Your first step to finding God is to study this world, the science,the people. Find out how it does all add up. Perhaps it will give you the path of finding God. So now I will answer about death being only a change but this is my last response. Your road to God must come from your will to find God. It is up to you not me to discover. As you are now, you would only be more confused if you bumped into God. No matter what people say to you or hurt you, YOU DETERMINE IT ALL!!!!>>>>>>>>>>Death is no more than a change. Life is the education of God's children. That's you too!! When times are good, we sit back and enjoy the ride. When adversity hits, you have to think,plan,study,analyze and grow in so many ways along the journey. Adversity is necessary for learning. It is so many times the excuse we need to learn. The problem comes because most people take adversity personally. Because of this, in time learning becomes almost impossible. There has to be a change. Life is about learning and growing. If you ever reach a point when no one around you learns including you, there will be a change. Death also allows for differnt parameters and differnt lessons to be set up. Between, you will know unconditional love that will heal all hurt. Any judging that will be done is by yourself. It's about education not punishment. Lots have been placed in your hands now. This is my last response on this discussion. To find God is up to you. Don't expect God to give you all the answers,save you from the troubles in your life or to think like you. His IQ is off the scale. God does exist! If you get there, you will have no doubt! Good luck to you.

(LOL) Truth is something that is BEYOND doubt.

The existence of "god" (a spiritual deity) is not beyond doubt.

Believing that something is true doesn't make it true. After all, the word that is a permanent companion of the religious is "belief". And belief is based on faith. However, it would be an entirely different matter if the religious KNOW that "god" exists and are able to PROVE it.:-)

(LOL) Religious people haven't hurt me. I just think it's dangerous for such people to make UNPROVEN RECKLESS CLAIMS as they regularly do. Such as, death is only a change. HOW do you KNOW that? You still haven't answered the question.

If I was to say to another human being that "god" exists without being able to prove it, I would consider myself dishonest because I would be making a statement of "supposed fact" that I am unable to PROVE. And that scenario is contradictory. Either I KNOW "god" exists and I can prove it. Or, I BELIEVE "god" exists and I accept that my BELIEF might be WRONG.

If you're searching for a pencil, don't you have to KNOW beforehand what a pencil is before you are able to find it? Otherwise, you would be searching your entire life because you really don't KNOW what you are looking for specifically, in the first place.

You are TOO free with your information? What have you shared that is SO special?

I would be confused if I "bumped" into "god"? You KNOW more than I do. Please tell me what "god" looks or feels like. You did say that you've made contact with "him". Please enlighten me. (LOL)

How can I or anybody determine it all? This universe is a complete mystery. Unlike believers, I don't claim that an invisible "god" exists. I don't take believers like you seriously because you just make claims without any substance behind them. For example, you still haven't answered the question about death being a mere change. What is your claim BASED ON?

Did you die, go to heaven, and return to earth to tell your story as proof that death is nothing but change?

It's really hard getting simple straight answers from someone who has supposedly found "god". But, then again, that's typical of believers trying to grapple with direct questions such as, ...

Is "god" male or female?

Life is a numbers game. We all need luck from time to time in order to survive. There are no guarantees in life because nature is random.

Still wanting all the secrets of the universe to come to you????Doesn't work that way! Religion wants to get you to believe. I don't! I want you to discover. God is not a BELIEF to me. The only way God will no longer be a belief to you is if you take your journey to discovery. This is something you don't want. It's going to take work! It's going to take intelligence. You are capable as so many are but not willing. Look at this world. Figure out how it all works. Figure out your road to God. I have walked others but until you are ready, you will not understand. Work on understanding first. I am pointing but will not give all the answers. Wisdom is learned through the struggle to gain knowledge. You must want to search for God. You must hunger to find answers. Struggle to discover. Simple questions like what gender is God. Isn't gender a parameter of this physical world???? Asnswer that question and you have your answer. God doesn't want you believing. God wants you THINKING!!! IQ off the scale. Gotta think that way too. This is an old discussion more than a month old. At some point I will stop checking it. I wish you the best on your journey!

You can't answer the SIMPLE question because, like all religious people, you're living in your own world of active imagination.

Am I surprised that you can't answer such a SIMPLE question? Nope. This happens all the time when direct questions are asked of people who CLAIM to have come into contact with "god". Your response is not an exception, it's a predictable rule. (LOL)

Some people want to teach, but they don't have the skills or temperament of a great teacher.

I KNEW, IN ADVANCE, THAT YOUR ANSWER WOULD BE DEVOID OF INTEGRITY.

Thanks for the conversation.:-)

I thought I gave good answers. I knew you would never attempt your own journey. You can not care about real truth. You expect answers and God to cater to you. Label me as you will. The difference between religion and myself is that I don't care about winning you over. Your life and your lessons are determined by your choices. You have unlimited time to learn. You will when you are ready. Best of luck!

Isn't it obvious that you haven't answered my question?

I asked you, how do you KNOW that death is nothing more than a change? You didn't answer the question, did you?

It's just a simple question asking, "How do you KNOW that your statement is true?".

If I made a definitive statement about something and refused to answer a direct question about the validity of it, I would have to accept that my integrity would be in question.

Anyway ..., let's leave it at that.:-)

Thanks for the conversation.

God doesn't give me all the answers but sometimes He tells me when I'm right after much work to understand.................Perhaps, some folks remember when they did not have a physical body yet! You know, the crazy folks out there............When you look at someone, you are really looking at their spiritual being as well. Go to a funeral home. Look into a dead person's face. Get close. Surely you can be objective enough to see. Next look into a live person's eyes. Look deeply. What do you see???? Hmmm???? All the secrets of the universe stare us in the face. Can you discover????

So religion is no more than the sum of it's people.Hmm? Yes, lots of work ahead before all will see that unconditional love is the only answer. Thanks for the comments.

Sure,a religion is seen by how the people of that religion behaves.For instance Muslims are now seen as terrorists in most of the countries.But not every individual Muslim is bad.Just some organizations of that religion creates that bad image.But Islam is not preaching hate.And not every other religion preaches hate either.
If anybody can see the real truth despite the activities of any religion,then unconditional love will be the basis.Cheers!

People sometimes forget that a Being capable of creating it all, is very very smart. To understand, one must get out of the comfortable box that religion provides. Simple narrow views will not provide true answwers to it all. I do find it funny that so many search for God and yet everyone is following. I find the truth path is, alone, dividing the truth from the wills of men. God does exist! He can be found! Your path is always yours. You, like everyone, will learn many things in your lifetime. Being open is one of your advantages. Thanks for the comments!!

It would be foolish on my part to explicitly deny the existence of God. The hardcore fact is that no one today knows the actual truth of God, neither me nor you or anyone else we know. That's why I call myself and agnostic too. That said, I should keep all possibilities open, including all religions. However, when it comes to Abrahamic religions, they have an obsession to claim that they are the only true ones and others trash. Here's where one can easily smell a conspiracy. That's why I've already shut my doors for them.
I'm more inclined towards finding a God who is more un-human with His/Her/Its qualities and more a force. The eastern religions, though I don't have that great knowledge of them for now are suitable for this rational demand.

And I quite agree with all you've said. My only reservations are against the existence of God. Not that I deny it, but if at all He does, He can never be the fairy tale like God of the Abrahamic religions.