Can Democrats admit that Obama's Stimulant Package failed yet?

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
July 6, 2009 4:46pm CST
When Obama was selling the Stimulant Package he told us that the worst thing we could do for the economy and jobs is to do nothing. He warned us that if we did nothing then the national unemployment rate would go to 9%. He told us that if his Stimulant Package passed, then it might make it up to 8%, but then start going down. So with all the spending and hopeful rhetoric, the national unemployment rate still went up further than what Obama thought would happen if we did nothing at all. So, can Democrats and other Obama supporters admit that his stimulant package failed?
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• United States
6 Jul 09
To answer your overall question, no they can't admit it cause another stimulous is in the works as we speak. The only thing admitted was by Joe Biden who says they underated how bad the economy really is.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
So he's saying that it failed because they were wrong in their guessing about the economy in the first place? Sounds about right.
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• United States
7 Jul 09
Thats what I get out of it.
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• United States
7 Jul 09
People it has not even been 6 months yet. I think it is too early to tell, but are you all being honest with yourselves? Are you hoping the stimulus package WILL fail to simply prove a point? I certainly hope that is not what I am reading in this discussion. If you are wishing the plan to fail, you are wishing that more Americans will be laid off from their jobs that more Americans will be standing in the unemployment line, that more Americans will be visiting the local food banks and homeless shelters. That is monsterous. For the sake of this country I hope that the FINAL results of the stimulus show that it was successful! For no other reason than I work, live and pay taxes in this country and I want to see people return to the workforce instead of collecting a check from the unemployment line. It is amazing to me that these sects have developed all over the internet, wishing for President Barack Obama's failure. Have you forgotten that you live in these Great United States. You should be praying for his success rather than wishing for his failure. It's really shameful how you are all sitting back waiting for his failure......for nothing more than to say "I told ya" Disgusting.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
How long is a "jump start" supposed to take? He told us the standard by which the stimulus package should be judged and it failed to reach that standard. This is just about the stimulus package itself, not his whole presidency, or any other program in his administration. Can't we judge any single part of his decisions without waiting until his entire administration is over?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Jul 09
FDR caused the Great Depression to last over 12 years and democrats hail him as the hero that ended it. His supporters weren't half as rabid as Obama's so I'm willing to bet that if this recession ends in the next 12 to 16 years they'll loudly proclaim that the stimulus ended the recession.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
I have no doubt of that. :~D
@K46620 (1986)
• United States
7 Jul 09
You are right World War II caused the rebound from Great Depression #1, not FDR.
@N4life (851)
• United States
7 Jul 09
Honestly, I need more time. Their talking point now is that they have slowed the bleeding. This may be the truth. I don't think anyone has the real answer to that. If I see jobless rates continuing to climb through the end of the year I will admit they failed. I see a cycle of in the way the U.S. economy works. Reagan undertaxed and overspent...yes overspent on things like military, considerin the amount of cash the govt was bringing in. Then we overtax, with an unfair tax code, to make up for it. Is Obama ovespending, I'm sure he is, but I still believe it cn turn out for the better. Our great country has been on a bad path for a long time. No, I'm not referring to just Bush, but the whold corrupt system all down the line. Anyone who places the blame on Obama for this must have just got off the bus!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
But Prs. Obama didn't say that the goal of the stimulus package was to "slow the bleeding", he said it was to "jump start" the economy. I'm not saying that Obama is a failure as a president (it is far too early to make that judgement). What I am saying is that he told us what he intended to achieve with the stimulus package. Not only was his goal not achieved, but the economy got worse than what he said would happen if we did nothing at all. Apparently we can't even hold Obama to the standard he sets for himself.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
Never apologize for injecting humor into a discussion! :~D Personally, if he made Mt. Dew free for us all, I might have to rethink my opinion of him. :~D
@N4life (851)
• United States
7 Jul 09
Oh, and seeing that depressants such as Vicodin may be outlawed, that may be the real push behind increasing STIMULANTS. Perhaps increased subsidies for caffeinated beverages will drive stimulants? Sorry...had to..lol.
• United States
7 Jul 09
i cant say it has failed yet because where i am from the unemployment rate went down and there are now a lot more jobs out there for people some of the companies that had to lay people off are now calling them back so i can not say that it has failed because here it has not i can't speak for other places i can only speak for here . and the and the plain that he wanted in the first place did not pass and that was messed up because that would of helped every one but no congress mainly the republications said no they cut the bill down a lot then passed it
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
The Republicans made a show of blocking some parts of the bill, but the bill went forward anyway. You can't blame the Republicans since they have no power to stop anything in this Congress. In fact, that sk@nk Pelosi and the criminal Reid pretty much block them out of any say in anything anymore... which is just telling We the People we should just shut up and take it. I'm judging the bill that was passed into law on the standard Obama set... nothing more.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
They did give input, they even offered alternatives, but listening to alternative positions isn't something Pelosi, Reid or Obama are capable of. It's hilarious! Even when the Republicans are completely being blocked out, you still can't get yourself to rise above blaming them.
• United States
7 Jul 09
i am saying insted of them blocking it they should of gave him some imput but they said nothing when he asked for it so it seems like they care less on what goes on
@katran (585)
• United States
6 Jul 09
Let me first say that just mentioning the stimulus package makes my blood boil because I hate it so freaking much. But, to play Devil's Advocate for a moment (maybe I just like making people mad, haha), last time I checked they had barely given out any of the money that was supposed to be given out. So, I think it is too soon to say whether or not it is a failure. I mean, it undoubtedly will be a failure. I have no doubt. But those who are reserving judgment (namely Democrats) probably are doing so PARTLY because it is a little too soon to tell.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
Didn't Obama use words like, "Jump Start" and "Spark Plug"... these terms (as well as "Stimulus" itself) denote an immediate action and reaction. Prs. Obama set a goal and said that the stimulus package was needed to reach that goal. The goal HE set was not achieved.
• United States
8 Jul 09
That's what scares me so much about the money: the fact they claim they haven't even spent it yet. For one thing, if it was to stimulate the economy, then why hasn't the money been spent? Since it hasn't been spent and we're not all on the breadlines yet, maybe they can take what's left of the trillion and put that toward healthcare, and then let the economy reboot itself like the financial experts (you know, those guys who AREN'T politicians) claim. That way, healthcare is paid for, no more crazy spending, and Obama can still blame it all on Bush regardless. That's a win-win if I ever seen one. Now there are talks of another stimulus. For what? Weird crap. It's all kept on the hush.
• United States
7 Jul 09
They're waiting till closer to mid term elections and then will flood the market with a pile of the money hopeful that the stock market falsly rises for a couple weeks so the State run media can sing kumbya it's over, re-elect Barney Frank and company!!
@venshida (4836)
• United States
7 Jul 09
It looks like it's failed, but It is bit still early so I think that's why they are not saying the package failed. I did not think it was a good package from the start.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
Obama set the standard for the stimulus. It failed the standard he set.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
20 Jul 09
No, I can't and won't admit that the stimulus package failed yet because only about 10% of the funds have even been distributed. Do I think the money should have been dispersed in a more timely fashion? Absolutely! Do I think the stimulus bill was perfect? Not hardly because I'd have liked to have seen more infrastructure spending. However, things are actually starting to noticeably look up even in my state of Pennsylvania which has been hurting bad for a long time. We're not out of the wood - or the recession - yet but there's a light at the end of the tunnel. IF that light turns out to be a train and there's a big train wreck THEN I'll admit it failed. Annie
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Jul 09
That's the point, it was never a "stimulus package" in the first place. Obama talked about a need to "jump start" the economy, yet almost all of the money wasn't going to be used for months to years from when it was signed. Didn't Obama also talk about how it would create "shovel ready jobs"? So far, there are a lot of people with shovels, but he's ignored them all. I do notice though that Obama's pet groups HAVE started recieving money. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
7 Jul 09
In carefully choosing the terms in which we measure success, Obama has insulated himself from the stimulus ever being labeled a complete failure. In the phrase "saved or created" he has an ambiguity that is ephemeral. For instance, when he proclaimed that the stimulus had "saved or created at least 150,000 jobs". A claim made at the same time the unemployment rate was hitting the 9.4% he promised it never would if we passed the stimulus. This terminology is brilliant in that no one can count a saved job. No governmental branch counts jobs saved. It's a concept, jobs that might have been lost but now have not been. So to promise to "save or create" three or four million jobs in two years, can never be called unfulfilled. He can come back and say hey, we didn't create as many new jobs as we'd like, but look, we saved a bunch of them. Jobs saved is a fictional concept, it has no measure. The stimulus will never be admitted to have been a failure, as long as the right terminology is in place.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
Yup, he changes the standard to fit the outcome. Which means he lied when he talked about "hope" and "change". He's just a pitiful Chicago thug in a brand new "president" costume.
• United States
7 Jul 09
NO, it is way to early to say this hasn't worked. It took the stimulas package during Clinton's presidency a few years, but the we had the longest period of growth in our nations history. Everything takes time, it took Bush eight years to screw this country up, it is going to take more than 6 months to fix all of his screw ups.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
Idiot! I'm not talking about his whole administration, or about all of his spending so far. I'm merely holding the stimulus package to the standard Obama set! Can't we even judge Obama by his own terms?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Jul 09
Idiot! Then it wasn't really a "stimulus" package was it.
• United States
9 Jul 09
Taskr, when you try to insult me, it just makes you look like the fool that you are. If you actually looked at the wording in the stimulas, and the time frame attached to it, you would see that the vast majority of the programs wouldn't be started untill the 3rd, or 4th quarter of this year. Do you know what quarter we are in now? Do I need to draw you a diagram??
@K46620 (1986)
• United States
7 Jul 09
Perhaps Biden's comment is as close as we will get to them admitting it's failure. They better never consider another wealth transfer package, we are in tremendous debt! Any 'destimulus' package will bring the coming debt crisis on us sooner!
• United States
7 Jul 09
You're an imbecile. If you can't spell, than nobody should have any reason to believe anything you say. So, before you start making unsupportable blanket statements, learn to write well.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
I can't seem to find a misspelled word in the OP, perhaps you could enlighten me. On the other hand, what is wrong with this line from your comment... "If you can't spell, than nobody should have any reason to believe anything you say."
• United States
8 Jul 09
Actually, it's "then," not "than." "If you can't spell, thEn nobody should have any reason to believe anything you say." "Than" would be used like so: "My grammar is better than yours." "Then" would be used like so: "Criticisms can be ironic now and then." And, just for flow, "insupportable" works much better. "Unsupportable" is correct, no doubt. But if you want to be A #1 English major -- I'm just saying...
@pxm204192 (160)
• China
7 Jul 09
when the obama go into the power, do not wish him to solve all of problems of amercian, there are a lot of contridicitions in the amercian, do not put all the presures on him, and solving all of problem need some processdures and some ways that all need some patiences. in fact, the fact is far away from words that is came from the obama, is the exactly fact,but the all of the people can not recieve such this fact, you know that some things that there are some shortcomings of the human beings this problems are not belong to single of amercian, it is concerned to all of world. and all of the people can feel such this impact of such this castrophes in the world,and solving all of problems are not need to individual the amercians' strength, from my view point, the power of amercian is very limited for itselves, you need to know that the fact and actural hopes are not the same things, whatever and however the obama said, he is not all-power man. he is normal people of all of us.all things need the process of development, do not need to wish to speed up to your wish, it is so ideal hope that it is not all fact.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jul 09
I'm not saying Obama's administration is a failure... it's far too early for that. This article has nothing to do with all the other responsibilities of being president. In fact, it's about only 1 piece of legislation. Obama said that this stimulus package would improve the unemployment rate... yet it not only got worse, it went above what he said would happen if we didn't spend a dime. Apparently it's too much to ask to even judge Obama on his own terms.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Jul 09
Obama only gave GM and Crysler 3 months to turn their companies around. If that was long enough for them, why should we give Obama so much leeway?
@N4life (851)
• United States
7 Jul 09
Very good points. Americans are fickle for sure.