Anyone fancy a protest march.
By katerina
@thea09 (18305)
Greece
October 1, 2009 12:12pm CST
As some may be aware the water situation here can be a bit dodgy as many times the taps run dry, especially in the summer. We put up with it as water is in short supply in the summer. But to the total amusement of the Greeks some of the ex-pat community has been attempting to complain about this situation at the town hall. They want water for their swimming pools and demand it as their right, even though they can't demand it in Greek. They have now annoyed the local council so much I expect they'll be investigating the planning permits of these pools, long overdue, and I hope they are made to concrete them over. Yet still they complain demanding water whilst the council argue back there is less water because of the pools.
So now this group of drivers of new cars with swimming pools, most of them in the early 60's age bracket, are about to take on the council with a protest demanding their water rights. I fear the outcome will be the water will be turned off.
Are they right to protest?
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18 responses
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Oct 09
NO, They should have no rights at all if it means to have their pools runs others short of water. Sounds like a bunch of spoiled, greedy a$$es to me.

@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Oct 09
pEOPLE CAN BE SOO DISGUSTING EVERYWHERE.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Oct 09
Hi aunty, they are. They move here not learning the language and live here for years without being integrated. Usually their Greek friends are the restaurant owners which fleece them and the builder who sponsored them. They live as if in their own countries but in the sun. Most of them only want the pools to impress other people with anyway. Makes me ashamed to be English here when they start demanding their rights in the wrong language and have no idea what they are actually taking on.
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@jb78000 (15139)
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1 Oct 09
that is abysmal behaviour. exactly how ignorant can you get - going to a foreign country and expecting them to speak your language - bad enough when it's tourists but actually living there and doing that is revolting. i saw plenty of it when i was in greece from tourists who couldn't be arzed even learning basic pleasantries and it was even worse in moscow where there were tons of ex-pats who had lived there for years (some even married to russians) and hadn't got beyond yes and no (if that). it was utterly disgraceful. and i do think that brits can be the worst for this.
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@jillhill (37353)
• United States
2 Oct 09
If there is a water shortage then it's a very frivolous expectation......and they don't have the right to more water then others because of their wealth....unfortunately some people with more money think it makes them superior to others....I am sure the council will figure something out.....I can't believe they could just shut your water off....hopefully anyway!
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
2 Oct 09
Hi jillhill, I think their whole approach is just farcical. It makes me laugh when people who live higher up and don't have the water turned off all the time then complain they were without water for a day. I complained about the no water situaton of course, but as a general moan, no point in complaining the the council about it when the mayor is on the same supply as me.
@SomeCowgirl (32189)
• United States
2 Oct 09
So these ex pat's, I feel I should know what that means, but I don't... Are they from a different culture? You say they can't speak greek? Well I think that they should not have the right to protest, especially if their pools were not properly permitted or warranted! Their is a water shortage from time to time here, but it all depends really.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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2 Oct 09
Ex-pats are people that move from another country (usually) to another. Southern European countries, especially Spain, Italy and Greece are very popular places for retired North Europeans - British, German, Dutch and Danish mostly to move to for a few years. They set up enclaves and generally don't bother learning the language or the local laws unless they benefit them. Some parts of France especially are now very British indeed. Brittany, Normandy, Provence for example and the Costa Brava in Spain.
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@SomeCowgirl (32189)
• United States
4 Oct 09
By p1kefish's definition it sounds to me like almost an illegal immigrant, but there is no say of their legal status, just that they don't bother to learn the language etc. I don't think all are like that though, there are many people I've talked to on here who have moved to other areas for a short time but have learned the language etc.
Tell me If I don't know what I'm talking about... I'm not too bright with big words! LOL!
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
2 Oct 09
Hi somecowgirl, yes the term ex-pats describes some forigners who live abroad, whilst others here are referred to as illegal immigrants. The ex-pats here are Europeans who have the right to live here because of the EU, so technically I'm one of them. I think a protest by them would alienate the local community, even the restaurants which welcome their money.

@wmraul (2552)
• Bucharest, Romania
1 Oct 09
I can think to at least 2 quick solutions the local council can offer to those "drivers with swimming pool":
- first option: I would suply them sea water, twice a week, directly in them pools, including whatever life forms comes with. With the time maybe some of them will become fishermans and they will by them self gave up to pools in favour of going to sea or even buying boats with .. swimming pools
- second option (for stubborn people): allow them a certain quantity of clean tap water weekly. Just exactly enough to fill the pool. That would be monday. No more water on them faucets until next monday. While they will like to use the pool more on weekend (maybe pool-parties too ..), the water will be allready bad color and smelling .. so they will ask - at a certain moment - for option one (above)
Also, as ultimate solution, I would recommend them bottled water wholesalers ..
- second option (for stubborn people): allow them a certain quantity of clean tap water weekly. Just exactly enough to fill the pool. That would be monday. No more water on them faucets until next monday. While they will like to use the pool more on weekend (maybe pool-parties too ..), the water will be allready bad color and smelling .. so they will ask - at a certain moment - for option one (above)
Also, as ultimate solution, I would recommend them bottled water wholesalers ..2 people like this
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
2 Oct 09
Hi wmraul, I actually like suggestions 1 and 3 most, would be a hoot seeing them emptying millions of bottles of water they'd had to buy into them.
I think they should have to get their own seawater up the hill though and not have it supplied. They've not got a hope in hell of getting a fishing permit than goodness as if they did their boats would be bigger than everyone elses, mind you the sea police could have a good bit of fun with them.
@artistry (4151)
• United States
2 Oct 09
...Hi theo09, Right to protest? They want to swim when the taps are running dry?
Well if there is no law against people in Greece staging a protest, with a permit if legally required, then I guess they can protest. But how crazy are they to have fits like spoiled brats who can't have their ice cream when they want it? I think it is absolutely disgraceful, the planet, as far as I am concerned is running out of water. Alabama and Georgia over here, were going to court over the right to have water come into one of the states through the other. Wicked fight it was. And they want to swim, what did the Queen say, "let them eat cake"? What mind sets they have. They should make them drain the pools and close them forever. They've lost it. Take care.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
2 Oct 09
Hi artisty, way back when there was a similar situation to the Alabama - Georgia one, but on the smaller scale of two villages, the juanta was still in power, and the water arguement was settled most amicably. The mayor of the village which was refusing to share water with the neighbouring village was told to back down at once or they'd shoot him, and the soldiers were there with rifles poised.
The other thing that annoys me is when the water pressure is even lower than usual then they rush out to water the flowers in haste before it runs out.
@artistry (4151)
• United States
11 Oct 09
...Hi theo, thank you for being so kind. There were so many interesting responses. I am grateful. Well, I've suffered a code violation and have been locked out of any new discussion gr having access to the discussions period. So I would assume that is the end of my short mylot experience. It has been fun. Take care always.

@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
1 Oct 09
Hi Thea! How about posting a notice agreeing they should be entitled to have ALL the water they could possibly want..so long as they're prepared to bucket chain it up to their pool from the sea?
I take it that it's fresh,potable water they're using at the moment to fill up with..how does the water rate get worked out? Is the water metered to houses,or could Officialdom bring in metering for these pools? Are there reservoirs or are desalinisation plants used to produce drinking water?
I take it that it's fresh,potable water they're using at the moment to fill up with..how does the water rate get worked out? Is the water metered to houses,or could Officialdom bring in metering for these pools? Are there reservoirs or are desalinisation plants used to produce drinking water?@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Oct 09
Hi Shepherdspy, well the water situation is made worse by the incompetence of the local theemos to do anything to deal with the constantly leaking pipes through which water often gushes like a river. The water is metered but many meters have never been read and as they are now being done the bills are backdated and horrendous. But anyone with half a brain can work out that apart from the odd small tourist hotel pool these private things are not welcome. I do not know one Greek person who has a pool and I feel very strongly against them as the sea is on our doorstep.
We have natural spring water taps available for drinking water but this is a necessity in places where the tap water is too salty. Research is afoot to somehow tap into the natural spring water supply which creates natural pools in the sea. The over building of properties also contributes to the shortages we face each year.
I am worried that the impact of protests which will be so insulting could result in the turn off of water to some parts, and my house is sat in one of those parts.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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1 Oct 09
They are entitled to exactly the same consideration as anyone else that pays taxes in Greece. They strike me as selfish however. Presumably they have moved to Greece to take advantage of the milder climate and the warm sun. Unfortunately there is a downside and that is that there is just not the water supply that they have "enjoyed" at home - where there have also been water shortages about which swimming pool owners have complained. Many will have visited initially as tourists staying in hotels which, at a guess, get some dispensation in respect of water supply because they bring in hard cash. My view is that they are perfectly entitled to enquire about what can be done, but an outward show of protest but no effort to contribute to solving the problem will result in a "them and us" situation that will lead to increased friction and frustration. So in short - they should only protest if they are being treated differently to the local Greeks, which I presume that they are not.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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1 Oct 09
If they are not paying taxes and have illegal pools then the Local authority should ignore them and make them either get the right permits for pools or drain them and turn them into rockeries! They will argue that they are bringing money to the region. Well let them build a desalination plant then! My sympathy for them just evaporated like their water!
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Oct 09
Good points Plkeflsh, firstly though most are here on early retirement so don't pay taxes and also abuse the system by returning to the UK for their free medical treatment. Umfortunately I made the mistake of declaring my exit so have no rights to anything from the UK and would be turned away for the doctors there despite paying my taxes.
There is not a single Greek I know with a swimming pool.
I think the first receipients of water should be the tourist village in the summer so that the businesses there are supported but this year the situation was ridiculous with my water tured off at 9pm every day for 3 months to divert down to the village first, usually it is just one day a week on tourist changeover day.
My main rant is that the pools shouldn't be there in the first place as the sea is on the doorstep. Most of the pools are ilegal anyway without proper permits put in by dodgy builders. I hope that the Greeks address the problem by making all owners of pools without the reqisite planning permission concrete the damn things over so that not every English person is affected by the behaviour of the unintegrated who have not a clue as to the correct way of dealing with Greek authority.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Oct 09
hi thea will in myeyes those ex-pats if any are Americans'
are giving us a bad name. the nerve to ask for water for'their swimming pools when water is in scarce supply is really just'too much. They would rather have the rest of the Greek people go without so they can swim,thats really just too too much nerve'on their part no they have no right at all to protest, they come to a country with a water shortage then complain about their damned swimming pools,shame shame shame on them. they give us Americans a really bad name, as we are not all like that. If they have to swim let them go to the nearest river or lake,I have never been to Greece, and jump in there,he he he. I have no sympathy with expats who demand such ridiculous things in a country that is not even their own. They don't like your conditions let them go back to their own countries.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Oct 09
Hi Hatley, first off this area has the sea on the doorstep so no need for anyone to have a pool. We don't have many Americans in this area, I'm friendly with one American woman who is married to a Greek and naturally they don't have a pool, and an American doctor who is one of the nicest people I've ever met, also without pool. Americans unless married to a Greek or with some kind of special papers are only allowed to stay in the country for a 3 month period then must leave for 3 months before returning. It is only citizens of EU countries who have the right to permanent residence here. So you've nothing to be ashamed of their Aunty.
The worst offenders are of course the English but they are not alone. I take no part at all in their complaints as that kind of approach does not work here which if they'd bothered learning the language and integrating with the locals in the first place they would know. I don't think the Greeks would lump me in with them as an ex pat whiner as I am well thought of here by the Greeks (not by the English though). Whole thing makes me sick when I hear the carry on they make.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Oct 09
Drinking, tick, pretty vital, lucky we also have spring water taps available around the villages for when the tap water is dry. Industry,cross, we don't have any in this area. I'd actually put showers second after drinking, pretty vital in the summer here with temps over 40 degrees all the time. Olive farming depends on rain water. Swimming pools should not be allowed, the sea is just down the road.
Course the other thing the ex pats use if for is extensive watering of their foreign gardens.
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@starsailover (7829)
• Mexico
2 Oct 09
Swimming pools are not a priority. What about taking care about our environement and the weather change.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
1 Oct 09
I would protest if I didn't have any water. I would have been holding a sign at the locale whatever's office until the police hauled me away 

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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
1 Oct 09
It sorta depends about the sea thing. I can't stand dirty water, I'm a neat freak and well honestly, when I was little I was swimming in the ocean and something touched me. No, it wasn't a person and I have yet to be in water that I can't see the bottom of since.
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
1 Oct 09
Many parts of Australia, including the part I live in, have been suffering water shortages for ten years or more, and we are on strict rations. Unless you have rainwater tanks (and I'm somewhat surprised that you didn't mention these in Greece, don't they have them?) you have to water your gardens by hand, and you can't wash your cars except by bucket water, let alone fill your swimming pool. If you exceed the per person allotment of water in a billing period you are penalised, and there are severe fines for breaking the ration laws.
This means that even tenth generation Aussies, let alone more recent comers, can't fill their pools from the piped water supply. But the wealthy have always thought they were more deserving than the poor, and the lot you are talking about seem to fit that bill. I say put them up against the wall, shoot them, sell their property, and spend it all on a desalination plant.
Back to water tanks. Why on earth don't Greek houses use them? The water is sweeter, cleaner, and its free. Plastic compound tanks are remarkably cheap, and a 10,000 litre will just about keep a small household going for a year, unless there is total drought. Maybe there's a big export market here for Aussie tank manufacturers.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Oct 09
Hi granpa_lash, they rather take the view that as the original water to fill the pools came by tanker it lasts forever, and they don't count topping them up daily as using the water on them. Some people have never heard of evaporation.
There is a big water tank but don't forget it was put in by Greek builders, not the brighest of sparks, as the water from it needs to come uphill. I am looking into a back up water tank for next year if I can use contacts to get it done without much cash outlay.
But I approve wholeheartedly with your way of dealing with these water whiners. 
@macdingolinger (10385)
• United States
2 Oct 09
Wow!Let me see if i understand you. There is a water shortage in the summer and these people are demanding water for their swimming pools? They sound like americans. Unreasonable and unfair. I can't imagine people wanting to fill a swimming pool while people are needing the same water to drink and sustain life.
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@sunny68 (1327)
• India
3 Oct 09
ex-pats demanding water?...(i guess there are not many Indian ex-pats there...
). we are very well used to water shortages so it is not much of a problem. but yes protests have become fairly common here, some genuine and some not. no offense but western countries do have a poor record when it comes to conserving the natural resources. yes there are many things that we take for granted and when we don't get it we resort to protest. we have spoilt ourselves with what we consider as abundant resources (just because it is available, even if by creating some noise) sooner or later we all have to get used to dwindling resources.
). we are very well used to water shortages so it is not much of a problem. but yes protests have become fairly common here, some genuine and some not. no offense but western countries do have a poor record when it comes to conserving the natural resources. yes there are many things that we take for granted and when we don't get it we resort to protest. we have spoilt ourselves with what we consider as abundant resources (just because it is available, even if by creating some noise) sooner or later we all have to get used to dwindling resources. 1 person likes this
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
4 Oct 09
Hi Sunny, unfortuantely there is not a single Indian anywhere in this area at all, but I believe there are in Athens. I think the real problem here is two fold, as well as the genuine water shortage there is also a lot of wastage due to the Greek pipe system, so when some of the expats see this they blame the Greeks and seem to think that because there is obvious waste they are also entitled to waste water and thus protest.
Hopefully they will address the first problem once they have demanded the pools be concreted over which I believe will be the consquence of any stupid protests.

@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
9 Oct 09
so..the new people from elsewhere are demanding water rights over the residents who
are used to shortages?
you guys should laugh in their faces,and go back to whatever you were doing.
that is so rude to move somewhere and ask for special treatment.
having said that,we have the same problem.we have new people moving in from surrounding states complaining about everything under the sun that the residents have never had a problem with.

@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
12 Oct 09
maybe they should tell them if they feel like paying for a water de-salinization plant,then they can have all the water they want from the ocean.everybody wins if they agree to it.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
10 Oct 09
Quite right Scarlet woman, I remember you telling me of the problems in your area with water before. I think the worst I heard was an English couple whose water rates bill went up steeply when they had the pool put in so resorted to using the village spring water taps to fill huge canisters to put in their pool. This is the only source of drinking water for many as in some areas the water is too salty to drink, and at times can dry up.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
2 Oct 09
The answer to your last question...on ONE WORD....NO! But then, NOT knowing your building regulations & ordinances, it is hard to make a judgment! Here, a building permit, MUST have an inclusion for the Pool, and if it is an "add-on" at a later date, a building permit (money grab) must be applied for, as the water consumption will be taken into consideration! In Municipalities,(cities, towns) water is metered, in unorganized territories like where I live, Water must be PROVED, e.g.,your well can meet the requirements (including your septic field)! I know I am not treating this with levity....but I as so fully aware of living without water, as my well at one time, produced 2.5 gallons per minute, not a lot! Blasting & drilling behind my property changed my aquafer, and water was reduced to 1/16th gallon a minute. Here, catchment must be implemented (rain water) before a pool can be constructed, as your well may/may not be draining some-one else's underground supply! There was a time, that waterfront homes could intall desalinization, or reverse osmosis for consumption and extraneous use...NOT SO, anymore, as the saline content, released back into the Ocean, changes the ecological balance, resulting in deaths of indigenous species! A swimming pool is a luxury...and SHOULD NOT COMPROMISE the availability of water to others! And the biggest swimming pool in the world surrounds Greece! Cheers, dear friend, hope you are smiling lots.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
2 Oct 09
Hi Shirley, has DJ left now and you're back to Mylot, hope you had a great visit and got out on the boat.
The difference between Galliana and here is that you have proper regulations in place, here its all a bit of a shambles. The building permits are given to the builders who give back handers and the pools are usually an after thought, and I doubt many of them have permits though the owners won't know that as will have believed what the dodgy builders tell them. I hope their little protest results in irregularities in the pools permissions being uncovered and then cemented over. I consider them a blot on the landscape and will stick to the sea.
I'm smiling a lot as off shortly for a night on the other side of the moutains with my man, where there will not be a single swimming pool to be seen and masses and masses of water to waste in the shower.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
4 Oct 09
In full concurence with your cement jobs! I think you shud run for Office & start getting some ordinances in place, before the ex-pats deplete your beautiful home-land of all natural resources!
Going over the mountain...eh, girl? I just hope you had the most wonderful time, and that grin cannot be eradicated from your beautiful face. Cheers!
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
4 Oct 09
What lovely words Shirley, the trip to the mountains was as always most delightful and my man knows full well that the shower is the first attraction. I returned before the house was invaded by a mass of Greek relatives descending from many parts of the country to vote there today.
Never heard of the word 'hotel'.
Never heard of the word 'hotel'. @mentalward (14690)
• United States
1 Oct 09
I think they are wrong to protest. We have water shortages here, too, and the laws state that we aren't even allowed to water outdoor plants or wash our cars when the shortage is bad. A long time ago, we had the "odd/even" days of using water. Those with house numbers on the even side could use water on even-numbered days (2, 4, 6, etc.) and vice versa for the other side.
I never saw anyone breaking the law. Pools were out of the question during water shortages. It was understood that there was not enough water for swimming pools and no one pushed the issue.
Demanding water for pools when there is a water shortage is just plain stupid and selfish, if you ask me. If there might not be enough water to drink, cook with or bathe in, maybe then they'll understand that pools are a low priority.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
1 Oct 09
Hi Marti,but the pools are a priority in their eyes because it impresses their vistitors and usually the only time they get used anyway. It annoys me that when we have no water every night all summer they've still got their pools to cool off in while the rest of us have to pour a bottle of water over our heads. And the very people here who complain are the ones who are used to hosepipe bans in the UK. They also waste loads of water watering their flowers.
There is no water problem at all a couple of hours away where my man lives but there are no foreigners living there and it just starting as a Greek tourist area. But the new houses and pools aren't being built there.


















