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myLot reputation of 81/100. ZephyrSun (3727)   ranked 101 out of 3,985 in politics 3 years ago

I have a question from the "right" side of the political spectrum. Doesn't the right mostly believe in small government with less personal invasion? Or what exactly does small government mean to you?

I ask because I was reading an article that I thought must be a joke (after reading the title) and anyway it was about the governor of California wanting to ban the "energy-hogging televisions". According to the article-

"It would put in place a set of energy efficiency mandates for large-screen TVs that would effectively ban the current generation of plasma TVs with screens over 40 inches. The law would require a 33 percent improvement in energy efficiency for all TVs sold starting Jan. 1, 2011, and a whopping 50 percent improvement for sets sold starting Jan. 1, 2013."

So is the government telling citizens what size of television they may own small government? Or is it ok because California has energy issues?

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1. myLot reputation of 72/100. matersfish (2661)   ranked 158 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Are you wondering why the "right" politicians seem to want control and become a large government when one of the values is, supposedly, smaller government?

If so, now you're starting to get why SO MANY people are disenfranchised and protesting and throwing fits.

The average person on the "right" side is fed up with nearly every politician. Most politicians on the "right" side are leftists with a more conservative base they exploit for power.

And on the left they don't even attempt to hide the fact that they're trying to take over nearly every aspect of a person's life! lmao

If you're a right-leaning person, believing in the free market, personal freedom and a small, reigned-in government, your (my) head is spinning when you see the direction the country is going in and has been going in for years. Today's climate is a culmination of over a decade of this expansion and personal invasion.

And it's not about right or left, conservative or liberal; it's all about some people wanting their country back. At least that's what I have to say about it.

Vote 'em all out. Don't tell me what TV I can't use! I need my shows, man. sad


myLot reputation of 81/100. ZephyrSun (3727)   ranked 101 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Most time matersfish I read what you have typed and shake my head in disbelief that someone actually thinks the way you do and now I can't believe what I am about to type but, I agree with all of what you typed. My political beliefs are pretty screwy but, damn don't tell me what size of television I can have, did we wake up in Cuba this morning? lol


myLot reputation of 78/100. debrakcarey (2673)   ranked 138 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

happy Welcome to the truth Zephyr! thumbup


myLot reputation of 90/100. pixeltwistr (421)   ranked 771 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Damn straight matersfish....i couldnt have said it any better!


myLot reputation of 94/100. jodylee_04530 (555)   ranked 3,561 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

That was very well put! Thank you for your thoughtful response because it really made me think. My head has been spinning for years over where this country is going. Time for a new breed of politicians I think.

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2. myLot reputation of 97/100. gitfiddleplayer (6410)   ranked 153 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

An answer from the "right" side. Yes, the "conservative" party believes in smaller government because the people who are the majority run the government which should be the minority in our lives, the small part so to speak. I know that there is a energy crisis but it should not limit you to the size of car, tv or dinner plate you want to buy. Think about this, if I want to buy a 70 inch television, who is going to make it? A rich person? No, it will be a factor worker, so by not buying a big tv I am putting somebody out of work, the same goes for small tv's too. The energy crisis is just a power play, who ever controls the energy controls how much you use, government wants to control how much you use, abuse of power, you betcha!


myLot reputation of 81/100. ZephyrSun (3727)   ranked 101 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

We agree for once on politics. But, now, after reading your response and the one above it leads me to another question, why do people on the right keep voting in politicians called Republicans that are Democrats in disguise?


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

for the same reason "liberals" keep voting in moderate democrats.. people are addicted and married to that little letter, and many even when confronted with the grave error of their choice, simply out of pride won't admit they made a mistake.

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3. myLot reputation of 96/100. thea09 (5382)   ranked 342 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Hi Zeph, it would strike me as being the job of the electric board to charge more rather than the Government to interfere, or does the Government there own the electric board?


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

The power companies here are private or owned by local municipalities.


myLot reputation of 96/100. thea09 (5382)   ranked 342 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

In that case then the government shouldn't interfere.


myLot reputation of 81/100. ZephyrSun (3727)   ranked 101 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

X is right but, still what if I want to have a 42 inch television? lol


myLot reputation of 96/100. thea09 (5382)   ranked 342 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Why would you though? We made do with a 10" screen with a bad picture. Mind you there's nothing worth watching.


myLot reputation of 78/100. Maggiepie (2990)   ranked 1,002 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Why would you care what size makes her happy? confused 10 inches is way too small for me to see! I'd love to have a giant TV, if I had the giant space to put it! The reason we like them is the same reason we go see movies in theaters when possible. It's easier to get involved in the story when the characters can be easily seen, the sets full of color & detail, & the speakers able to handle really glorious, full sound-surround! What, do you dislike theaters?

But why would you think her desires are wrong or undesirable? Color me confused...blink

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myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

"Why would you care what size makes her happy? 10 inches is way too small for me to see!"
Damn, your pretty tough to please
rasp


myLot reputation of 78/100. debrakcarey (2673)   ranked 138 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

blush I had to read it three times to make sure I was in the right discussion!

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4. myLot reputation of 97/100. katsmeow1213 (7751)   ranked 268 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Name 1 thing the right side has done that isn't personal invasion... aside from allowing abortion to remain legal.


myLot reputation of 78/100. Maggiepie (2990)   ranked 1,002 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Support the troops? Uphold the right to freedom of speech? Freedom of religion? Write the Constitution? Fight pedophiles to protect children? Fight for equality? Protect private property? Fight for the secret ballot? Fight for the right to work? Are you truly unaware that all these things have been & still are being done, or were you "taught" in gummint "skools" by ignorant teachers?

Shall I go on? Or did I take more than my share of the answers?

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5. myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6353)   ranked 325 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Well, The Governator has pretty much proven that, while he is a Republican, he is on the left of center more than the right of anything.

The conservative view of this issue would be to allow both the "energy hogging" and "energy saving" televisions to compete on the open market. Let the television buying public decide.


myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6353)   ranked 325 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

btw, the conservative view is small government, but not no government. The government should be as big as it needs to be to get the job done... but its job is limited to that spelled out by the US Constitution.


myLot reputation of 81/100. ZephyrSun (3727)   ranked 101 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

I can't believe how many of the "right" that I happen to be agreeing with tonight. Maybe my swine flu is back and I should just go back to bed.


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

or maybe your more libertarian than you realized.....most people are when they really think about it.


myLot reputation of 78/100. debrakcarey (2673)   ranked 138 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

@paraTed...he's married to a Kennedy...he won't be welcome in the bedroom is he doesn't act like a liberal democrat! lol


myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6353)   ranked 325 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Zephyr, you have to remember that much of libertarian thought IS conservative. It doen't suprise me that conservatives and libertarians agree on a lot of things. Of course, libertarianism also embraces a lot of liberal stuff too, so it wouldn't suprise me if we disagreed a lot too. ;~D


myLot reputation of 72/100. matersfish (2661)   ranked 158 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

You can be the conservative adjective without the noun. Don't worry! lol


myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6780)   ranked 284 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

"he's married to a Kennedy...he won't be welcome in the bedroom is he doesn't act like a liberal democrat!"

That reminds me of an interview he did on the tonight show where he talked about how he got so sick of seeing his wife ordering Obama campaign signs to put up. He said that one night at dinner he'd had enough and shouted across the table that Obama is wrong for this country and McCain needs to be elected and he doesn't want to see or hear anything more about Obama in his home. He then said he was glad she wasn't home for dinner that night because he'd be sleeping on the couch for the rest of the week.

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6. myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Minimal government isn't a "right" idea, it's libertarian idea that at one point, the republican party held as one of it's ideologies. Many people mistakenly assign this as a "conservative" ideology. I would also point out that the governator is hardly what you could call a hard right leaning kinda governor.


myLot reputation of 81/100. ZephyrSun (3727)   ranked 101 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

I think I'm confused, yes, I know nothing new. But, isn't the Libertarian ideology the most "right" on the political spectrum? And I can imagine that the "governator" isn't very right leaning after reading this article.


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Nope, libertarian/authoritarian is a much broader and larger scope of the political spectrum than the left/right spectrum the country has been programmed to look at. this is where the similarities between the two big commercial parties becomes apparent, when you step back and look at the larger picture in broader terms. In this larger more broad spectrum BOTH parties though they lean either right or left, are still on the decidedly authoritarian end of things. I just hope a LOT more people start taking a few steps back to actually look at this larger more complete picture and realize a few truths before it's too late to do anything about it and change course.


myLot reputation of 81/100. ZephyrSun (3727)   ranked 101 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

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myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

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myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

I meant SHOULDN'T be involved in marriage, not should be....sorry.


myLot reputation of 78/100. debrakcarey (2673)   ranked 138 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

I am so glad to see this all spelled out!


myLot reputation of 81/100. ZephyrSun (3727)   ranked 101 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

See I could never be a Libertarian because everyone that reads the Constitution gets a different view on it, to me the Constitution is like the Bible, everyone reads what they want it to say and that's an aspect I can't wrap my thoughts around. I need it to be clear cut, spelled out and if not than well whatever. Besides look what happens when states make their own decisions, they run a muck of it. If states were a business, they would have been out of business a long time ago because their "CEO's" can't balance a checkbook let alone a state budget.


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7620)   ranked 42 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

What I do zeph, is then go and look at the other writings and words of the people who wrote it. Most times, this lends more clarity to it than any constitutional lawyer ever could or would. Unlike the bible, we have the actualy words of the people who wrote the constitution, it really is the best way to understand what they meant.

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7. myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6780)   ranked 284 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Well I think I see snowballs flying by here in Miami, because we're going to agree on this. I'm sick of all this garbage with governments trying to tell us how to live our lives. Now aside from how ridiculous this bit of big government is, it's pointless and will accomplish NOTHING for the people of California.

Let's see, we can't buy plasma TVs in Cali? We'll just make a run to Nevada and buy one, or we'll buy it from Target or Walmart online. Not only can you still get the stupid TV, another state will enjoy the tax revenue (depending on your method and the state involved).

I'm truly sick of politicians who focus on absolute garbage like this while ignoring their budget problems, and we all know about the budget problems in that back a$$ward state.


myLot reputation of 90/100. pixeltwistr (421)   ranked 771 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Well why not just make a run up to Oregon and pay NO taxes either!!!


myLot reputation of 81/100. ZephyrSun (3727)   ranked 101 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

So how's the snow going down there, is it a first? LOL

It really makes me crazy when politicians are running with a party name but, hold no party values. But, I have to say it runs more rampant on the "right" than the "left". It also makes me crazy that all of these elected officals are educated, (not drop outs) and yet, they come up with the most uneducated ideas. As you stated the television can be bought online at many different sites or the people in California that want a 42 inch can run to the next state and buy one. Which you're right that other state will love the tax revenue.


myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6780)   ranked 284 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

"It really makes me crazy when politicians are running with a party name but, hold no party values. But, I have to say it runs more rampant on the "right" than the "left"."

Sadly that's true and that's exactly why the Republicans have lost so much ground. The ones in congress, and Bush, were not holding to republican values. Now Schwarzenegger was never really a full republican. Even he said when he ran that his friends kept telling him he should stop calling himself a republican and admit that he's an independent.

"It also makes me crazy that all of these elected officals are educated, (not drop outs) and yet, they come up with the most uneducated ideas."

I agree and California is the most horribly run state in the country I believe. They have great resources, a booming tourism industry, and yet the state has been run into the ground over the last 20 years. Nobody in that state's government seems to have a clue.


myLot reputation of 81/100. ZephyrSun (3727)   ranked 101 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

"It really makes me crazy when politicians are running with a party name but, hold no party values. But, I have to say it runs more rampant on the "right" than the "left"."

I really thought you would disagree with me there. I am always thinking when conservatives say something about liberals can't say well Bush did it, but, if they would stop and think about both of them are liberal and just following the liberal ideology LOL

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8. myLot reputation of 45/100. murderistic (1046)   ranked 835 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Schwarzenegger is far from conservative. He is only labeled as a republican because his state houses many of the richest people in the country who are not willing to have a governor who's going to tax them highly.


myLot reputation of 60/100. Taskr36 (6780)   ranked 284 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Clearly you haven't paid any attention to California politics. The richest people are the there are the Hollywood and media elite and they are heavily liberal and way overboard on the environmental garbage to the point that many are willing to destroy entire farms to make sure that a fish has a deeper river to swim in. That's why California has the highest taxes in the country. Taxes went through the roof under the last governor, and under Arnold they've continued to increase. The majority of this however, is the fault of the congress that refuses to reduce spending.

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9. myLot reputation of 94/100. solared (932)   ranked 2,022 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Small government means less interference, less government telling us what to do, less watching citizens, less tax's, support the FAIR TAX!

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10. myLot reputation of 31/100. epicure35 (1463)   ranked 1,156 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

There has been a terrible shift in the moral values (or lack thereof) and thus what appears to be the politics and political spectrum in our country and to an extent also the rest of the world. Here in America, the right has traditionally stood for small government and less "personal invasion." But the left and right have been infiltrated by those who want personal freedom and choice and the free American way of life destroyed in favor of NWO rule by elitists.
The right has wanted the Federal Government to uphold the Constitution and our personal freedom and guarantees to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," upon which it is based. The right wants the Federal Government to involve itself ONLY in the 20 express powers it is charged with discharging under the Constitution.
This includes protecting and defending us, our borders, our military and our freedom.
Obviously O and his socialist, gangster cadre, the DNC and the depraved Democrats think elsewise and consider themselves a ruling class and we the people its servants rather than those it was elected to SERVE.
To the extent the Republicans wish to emulate the depraved Dems, they, to are guilty of treason and in and about deception.
With an eroded moral base, and the lawlessness permitted by subverting the Constitution, the foundation of our law, chaos reigns and order no longer prevails.
Neither party will stand to the task of restoring our freedom.
While it is true that Americans have become apathetic, complacent, and too invested in materialism and secular thinking, most of us want to restore our moral and Constitutional base; our government does not.
Using the "Al Gore excuse" of false science, an overreaction re use of our natural resources has become the lynchpin for selling our sovereignty out to the UN and one world rule, raping Americans of their birthright.
Everyone, everywhere should be careful and considerate of the limits of natural resources and be good stewards of what we have been given, but the Gore global warming hoax is really about enriching the ruling class and ceding control of our freedom to them. Conservation is one thing; using it as a political tool for control and abolishment of freedom is, again, diabolical deception by those to whom their personal power and greed is everything. Personal invasion? -They literally want to control who lives or dies.

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