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myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability 3 years ago

It is amazing how many people take advantage of someone in a wheelchair. Our friends drove all the way to Alberta to get a handicapped van for us. The people whom they bought it from said "it has gone through a safety check" and we figured that all we needed to do was to get the safety check here in Manitoba and it would just be the different standards from what it was there due to the climate and the terrain.
The people we got it from lied. The sub floor is rotted through and they put some lino and plywood over that to hide it. The people put paneling to hide the other things, they connected the gas tank wrong, and it will cost a lot to get it fixed. And on top of it, the van really did not originally come from Alberta or British Columbia but from Quebec where our friends suspect they did much of the cheap cover ups.
My husband used to be a welder but because of his ALS cannot do anything. Our friends have welding equipment and his sons are good at fixing things, but we do not want to take advantage of that.
We also learned that this is common. The guy who said that he could not fix the van as he had so much work to do, told us that there was this single mother who had a handicapped son and she also got taken and she had to pay thousands of dollars to fix her van up.
Our friend wrote an email to make the people who sold us the van to feel guilty as they had some responsibility and more since they knew what was wrong before they sold it.
So the question is, does it make you angry when someone takes advantage of the handicapped and do you notice that this is becoming more common?

 

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ElicBxn (24696) response was accepted on 11/17/2009.
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tags:  consumer affairs, cooling off period, nice folks, our van did not pass the safety check, taking advantage of the disabled
 
1. myLot reputation of 78/100. Maggiepie (2990)   ranked 14 out of 51 in disability   3 years ago

Actually, since I use a chair, I can comment knowledgeably here. I'm always amazed at how accommodating most folks are, opening doors for me, volunteering to push me (I'm not strong enough to do it), making a path for me, moving things (as waitstaff do at restaurants) to give me a place to park or roll, supplying ramps & chair space in places not required by law to do so, just being nice & not disdaining me--& a host of other things.

About the only bad thing I ever see--& it's not that frequently--is vehicles illegally parked in handicapped zones (& having no handicapped signal on their car). And as a friend of mine once said dryly, people such as that are "pond scum."

In all charity, I'm aware that some, even then, feel their time is so short & their task so very important & in any case, they'll "be right back" & they couldn't find any other spot, that they feel justified in occupying the spot at least briefly---I get that! But what if someone does need it during that 5 minutes? What are they to do? Waste gas driving around while waiting?

Anyway, those lawbreakers aside, the rest know full well how unmannerly, selfish, & even cruel they're being. angry

When I run into (figuratively said!...) such folks, "pond scum" is the mildest term I utter!

Maggiepie
IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER!


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

We have had very abled people park in handicapped spots, and they did not even have a handicapped passenger with them and it certainly was not a gift left for a handicapped person who was in the store. So no one was going to go into the store and go up to the guy in the wheelchair and scream "Surprise!"
There are so many handicapped and disabled people and even then they may have to walk a few steps and yet someone who can do somersaults goes ahead of them.
We do have people here who are nice, but it hurts when there is that one or two bad one who cheats the disabled.

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2. myLot reputation of 78/100. Maggiepie (2990)   ranked 14 out of 51 in disability   3 years ago

I forgot to say, my sympathy goes out to you for your bad experience, & people who cheat anyone, but especially already disadvantaged folks, do make me angry! I have always hated cruelty, selfishness & hardheartedness, and--the inevitable result of these sins--injustice.

May such people repent of these misdeeds, & justice reign! thumbup

Maggiepie
IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER!


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

It makes me upset as well. We will have to pay at least five thousand dollars for the repairs, and it may be that after all said and done, I will not have any savings left. I do hope that it can be done cheaper, but we have not finished paying for the time we stayed in the motel yet.


myLot reputation of 95/100. Hatley (48835)   ranked 5 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

suspenseful dont just take this and fork out your hard earned money,get a
pro bono lawyer and sic him on these people and make them pay your costs
instead.


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

I hope we can do that. The trouble is that who do we sue? The van has gone through at least three former owners. We should have suspected something when a lady in B.C. who wanted to use it for driving was refused. My husband and our friend suspected that she was too far gone, but since men usually get ALS more then women, I have come to the conclusion we that they checked the van and told her it was not safety certified and she did not have enough money to fix it.
And the trouble is our friend does not have that extra money either, so he cannot help us. He has health problems and much of the work he is doing for us is for free and we are just paying cost.


myLot reputation of 95/100. OreoCookie3 (22470)  3 years ago

I think you should sue the people you bought it from... they did not disclose what was wrong with the vehicle... you may not get anywhere with it, because most sales are as is...unless otherwise stated... but this looks like a crime to me to cheat you like that.


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

I hope we can sue them. They said they were taken as well. We are getting it fixed up so this does not happen to another person when my husband dies and I have to sell the van. I cannot drive so it will do me no good and besides I do not have the money to keep it. Not having had a license except for a year kept me out of getting those good jobs out in the industrial district.

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3. myLot reputation of 95/100. cloudwatcher (4168)   ranked 22 out of 51 in disability   3 years ago

I'm so sorry to hear of these troubles. Surely there is a legal way to redress it? Or is it complicated because of being in a different state?

Isn't there a consumer organisation that handles these things? Here in Australia we have a few legal avenues for this type of thing. Firstly, we have a cooling off period which varies for different purchases. We have a small claims tribunal and the Consumer Affairs Association.

Have you considered taking your case to the newspapers or better still a TV channel? It works over here, and as a general rule, the complainant ends up better off than before being taken down. I know you are not looking for that, but they could help you to fix the problem.

I haven't noticed the handicapped being taken advantage of - except for able-bodied people using their parking bays. I would say as a general rule, more is being done to help them - as it should be.


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

The trouble is that the van was bought in a different province and each province has their own set of rules. If we had lived in Alberta and bought the van there, then we would have recourse, but this van has been from Quebec to British Columbia to Alberta and now Manitoba and I sort of figured that that is how they got away with it, selling to someone out of the province who needed the van desperately - after all they could not sell to someone in the province or else they would have had to have a real safety check.
So now since my husband and I are honest, we will have to get it fixed up. My husband's condition is bad so that we will only have the van for about two years (considering that his als was far advanced when it was officially diagnosed) and I would like the van to be in perfect handicapped condition when I do have to sell it. I will see what can be done.

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4. myLot reputation of 95/100. Hatley (48835)   ranked 5 out of 51 in disability   3 years ago

sadsadthumbdownyes indeed you need to get on the p eople who sold you the van and make them make all that is wrong, right. It makes me furious that these people that sold you the van covered up all its faults and left you holding the bag. yes taking advantage of a person in a wheelchair is dispicable and you should take legal steps to make them pay for any work you have had to have done as it came out of your pocket.


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

The trouble is the people we bought the van from wrote that they got the van from British Columbia, and the people who owned it then got it from Quebec and we do not know who was originally responsible or whether in Quebec back in 1998, they did not have that high standards or whether the Quebec owner did all he or she could and it needed fixing in British Columbia - but I doubt it. We used to live in British Columbia and back in the 70s you had to have a safety check every two years. I suspect that the former owners lived out in the country and just used it to go to town and they did not bother.
We can talk to our friend if he knows anyone who can help us get it right.

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5. myLot reputation of 98/100. sweetgirl_k1 (3429)   3 years ago

I am so sorry that happend to you guys. That is terrible. Is there not some way you could get them in trouble about lieing and saying it had been though a safety check before and it hadn't? I hate when people try to take advantage of anyone...especially older people or handicapped people. That makes me so mad. They really shouldn't try to take advantage of people cause something could happen to them and they could get the same thing or worse....then how would they feel?


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

If our friend had been able to stay in Alberta for a week (as he planned to do - but he had to go back to work( he could have gotten it safety checked and found out and they would have flown back and said that the van was no good.
The trouble is it was in another province and we learned it was not the province it originally was from. So it could have been jerry rigged at any of the three provinces it was in.

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6. myLot reputation of 98/100. mipen2006 (2935)   3 years ago

Hi suspensful, this could only be done by unscrupulous people, and others need to know about their dealings. Do you have any recourse? Can you take them to court? These measures are probablt too expensive to persue, and you will have to pay. I get really upset with these kind of people. Mike.


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

If they were in the same province, we could take them to court. Unfortunately they are not. We are trying to find a cheap way to get the van fixed up, because we do need it. But it will cost a lot and we already paid more for it then we had planned for.


myLot reputation of 98/100. mipen2006 (2935)  3 years ago

You have had it much harder than you deserv, and I pray you can find some good Samaritan to fix the van for you.


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

Our friend is looking into a body shop that will get the van fixed at cost (that is after hours) so we can save a little that way. We were also talking about who to sue to get the money back, but do not know who is really at fault. It was not registered in Alberta, that is one thing I did learn.

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7. myLot reputation of 99/100. blackbriar (6633)   3 years ago

Isn't this illegal in your area, suspenseful? It is down here and as long as you can prove they purposely sold you a van fit for the junkyard, you have a solid case to at least get your money back and maybe then some.


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

We have no idea whether they did it deliberately or not. They wrote our friend who picked up the van and said that is the way they got it, and they also said it used to belong to someone in B.C. and then our friend checked the records and found it originally came from Quebec so we do not know whether the Quebecer did it, the B.C one did it, etc. And then there is the buyer beware (I watch Judge Judy) but I do not know whether that also applies to vans sold to handicapped people. If it does, we are stuck, but if not, we could get, but the lawyer would be expensive.

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8. myLot reputation of 96/100. rusty2rusty (4225)   3 years ago

Yes, it makes me angry when people take advanage o the handicap. It makes me upset when someone takes advantage of someone else no matter what their situation is. I am sorry you were taken. I do wish you had a better friend who coul see the vehicle was a scam before you bought it. That would of helped alot.


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

The trouble is that he lived in Manitoba like we did, and he was also told that the van was safety checked, so it is not his fault. Now if he lived in Alberta, that would have been different because then he could have gotten it checked and then written to us, but he had to take time out of his work to fly to Alberta and drive the van and then once he got here, there are not that many places that do safety checks on converted vans so they had to take it someplace special and only after an appointment.

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9. myLot reputation of 99/100. mtdewgurl74 (11320)   ranked 9 out of 51 in disability   3 years ago

I have seen that happen before..it really sucks when it happens to people we know though. I was so glad when you got the van. people should know better then to do stuff like this. They shouldn't get away with it though..I do hope you gets things straightened out and fixed.


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

Our friend is trying to get someone to fix it under the table or he and his sons can do some of it themselves. We could also go to a smaller body shop and have someone do it under the table and avoid the tax. There was another van that was a few years younger that had been totaled in an accident, and if the owners would be willing, we could remove the handicapped part from their van and put it in ours, but unfortunately the owners want that van. It does seem a mess. My husband thinks that nothing can be done - as it is buyer beware. And I heard of this happens a lot.

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10. myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24696)   ranked 2 out of 51 in disability   3 years ago

people try to take advantage of people, handicapped and otherwise - people that are a long distance away are more likely to try and take advantage of people thinking they are less likely to come after them


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

That is what we feel. My husband cannot leave the province because he does not own his wheelchair and if he did, in his condition it would not work as he is getting worse and soon will have to get a reclining wheelchair. So our friends had to fly out there to get the van and they did not have enough time to get it checked there and they were also told it had been safety checked already. all of us got screwed over quite badly.
The trouble is that we have not finished for the motel bill and the tv and dvd player, we were almost finished and we had to get a microwave and a dishwasher. So instead of having an extra 1500 that we can pay off in a month, that means an extra five thousand on top of that. I do not want to have my savings to go down to almost zero. My husband says he will use the retirement fund as he will not live to 65 anyway, but even then we will lose out.


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24696)   ranked 2 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

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myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19615)   ranked 4 out of 51 in disability  3 years ago

And we got our credit card bill today and since we had to put more stuff on it, it still has not gone down. Makes me rather upset. He has not asked me to take money out of my account and pay it down - I am considering paying for the groceries - after all $300 a month is not bad since I put the rest in savings anyway - but I sure do not want to take out all the savings I have in my high interest savings account, especially now that the interest rate is only a little over one percent.

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