Senator Bernie Sanders pulls amendment after being told to read it aloud  |
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| I think this is a big victory for the country here. Senator Bernie Sanders attempted to put a 767 page single-payer amendment into the health care bill without letting anyone read it. Senator Coburn objected demanding it be read aloud. I was originally going to make this thread about how glad I was to hear this was being read aloud. That's not going to happen though. This amendment must have been pretty awful because Senator Sanders has decided to pull the amendment for fear of what people will say when they hear what is actually IN the amendment. Democrats really are trying to ram this bill through fast and don't want any delays, especially if those delays lead to people knowing what's in the bill. What are your opinions? Did Coburn do the right thing by demanding this amendment be read aloud? Do you think Sanders pulled the amendment because he was afraid of people discovering what was in it, or because he feared spending hours reading it aloud would hurt the Dems chance to meet their deadline for passing the full bill? | | | | | |
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1. kennyrose (5047)
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3 years ago
| | yes he did the right thing and it would had taken at least 17 hours for the bill word for word to be read on the floor ~ ~ ~ | | | | | | |
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2. Latrivia (1976)
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3 years ago
| | Two thumbs way up for Senator Coburn. Gee, I wish I could see the look on Sanders face when he was told to read it out loud. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a mixture of the two. I mean, if it was a really crappy amendment, can you imagine all the time he'd spend trying to defend every single questionable clause in that 767 page monstrosity? | | | | | | |
Taskr36 (6782)
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3 years ago
| | I have to correct my statement a bit. Senator Sanders wouldn't have to read it himself, Senate clerks would read it out loud. They actually started and were taking turns just getting through the table of contents before Sanders pulled the amendment. | | | |
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3. Maggiepie (2990)
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3 years ago
| | Of course he did the right thing by demanding it be read! I think ALL bills should be read aloud, put up on the internet for 30 days, & published in newspapers for at least that long! Isn't everyone aware by now how Congress always loads up their bills with pork & other detrimental things? People who care about this country would pay attention! The rest--the numb-skulls--deserve whatever they get. And yes, I also think he pulled it because he knew it wouldn't fly. Washington D.C. is hyper-aware of how angry we are, & that their jobs are on the line. Look at the pink slip campaign; it's now stacking up to over a half-mile high! I wonder if we could get the entire bill yanked? Maggiepie "SAY 'MERRY CHRISTMAS!'" | | | | | | |
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4. djbtol (3980)
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3 years ago
| | Yes, it was a very good thing to force a little light in the direction of the corrupt democrats and their desperate attempts to control all of health care. More importantly it shows how those in office have so corrupted their roles and responsibilities that it is totally unacceptable. The bottom line is when these Congress men and women cast their vote, they really have no idea what they are voting for. Can you even imagine being an elected official and doing your job that way? The 2000 page bills are never read, they contain blank sections to be filled in later. And even after the voting is over, they continue to make changes in the wording. Anywhere in this process, there is always opportunity for someone to insert something else (for the appropriate bribe, of course). I do not think Sanders should have the right to hide what he was proposing. If he was planning on putting it into the health care, then he should be made to pass it out for all to read. What a slime ball! | | | | | | |
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5. Destiny007 (4866)
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3 years ago
| | Yes, Coburn did he right thing. I think sanders pulled his amendment for both reason described. I think that all amendments should be fully read and understood before being voted on, and that a full oral reading by the sponsors should be required before any bill is put to a vote. I somehow think that these humongous omnibus bills would quickly be thing of the past if that very simple rule were adopted. | | | | | | |
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6. lilwonders456 (3526)
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3 years ago
| | I think he was trying to pull a fast one and when caught decided it was better to pull it than have it read out to the whole congress and have the american people know what was in it. Why else would he NOT want it read out loud. It must have been bad. | | | | | | |
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7. Rollo1 (2827)
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3 years ago
| | Coburn absolutely did the right thing in objecting and demanding that it be read. If nothing else, it would have set them back a good 17 hours. However, what happened after that was in violation of the rules of the Senate. Once Coburn had the floor - via the reading by the clerk - no interruptions are allowed. Sanders shouldn't have been recognized and should have had to wait till the end to yank the amendment. The rules state: "Under Rule XV, paragraph 1, and Senate precedents, an amendment shall be read by the Clerk before it is up for consideration or before the same shall be debated unless a request to waive the reading is granted; in practice that includes an ordinary amendment or an amendment in the nature of a substitute, the reading of which may not be dispensed with except by unanimous consent, and if the request is denied the amendment must be read and further interruptions are not in order." But the Democrats allowed further interruptions. They obviously didn't want the amendment as much as they wanted to hurry up the process so they violated their own rules to let Sanders pull his amendment. Every day and in every way these guys in Washington show their contempt for the will of the people and even the rule of law. | | | | | | |
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8. anniepa (11669)
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3 years ago
| | Come on, Taskr, you know as well as I do that Coburn was only looking to delay the bill in any way possible and that Sanders wasn't afraid of people knowing what was in the amendment, he was afraid that these delay tactics would insure that nothing will be done on health care! Senator Sanders has been on TV just about daily talking about his amendment and his opinions on the bill in general, so why wouldn't he want people to know about it? Coburn is a first class jack-a$$ who should stick to advising his friends on how to get away with paying off their mistresses to keep them quiet! Annie | | | | | | |
Taskr36 (6782)
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3 years ago
| | I'm not denying for a second that Coburn wanted to delay this bill. The longer this bill sits the more people will learn what's really in it, hence the consistent drop in public support. There's a big difference between being on TV "talking about" an amendment and actually having the specific text of it read out loud. This amendment would have taken an estimated 10-17 hours to read. That can be done in less than 2 days. Why did he not want to spend two more days on this bill? Aside from the tax hikes, none of it goes into effect for another 6 years so what's wrong with two more days? If his amendment was so great, surely he should have WANTED to spend 2 days letting everyone hear how great it was. Please explain to me why he pulled it if he wasn't afraid of people hearing the actual text of it. | | | |
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9. whiteheather39 (15574)
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3 years ago
| | Probably pulled it for both reason. | | | | | | |
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10. djbtol (3980)
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3 years ago
| | There is not too much doubt about what Sanders was proposing. He is quite liberal, and he even might be the one that is a declared socialist. I checked his website (http://sanders.senate.gov...) and found that he was clearly pushing for total government control of healthcare for everyone. He is not real happy with Obama's compromises, so he was hoping to fix those issues with this amendment (but he wanted it to be a surprise to his fellow Senators). Can you imagine such arrogance. He is so conceited that he thinks all that matters is what he wants. What I find amazing about his positions (and probably indicating that he is not sincere) is his childlike (I'm talking 2 or 3) faith that if government is given this victory that everything will be wonderful. Imagine: better healthcare for everyone and it is free, no more nasty insurance companies getting in the way, less expense for healthcare. If you are naive enough to believe this fairy tale, then I can see why the dems want to fall down and worship B Hussein. Like most congressmen, he is not concerned with the facts. He just wants his constituents to believe his fairy tale. | | | | | | |
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