Extending executive order 12425, Obama shows what a traitor he is...

I thought you might come by here, I was hoping you would in fact. Hopeyou had a good holiday. Now, before you chastize me too much over this,let me better make my case.... X factor the word traitor is extremely too strong for the President. Not if his acts are traiterous it isn't. You may not agree with him but to call someone a traitor is scandalous. It was either traitor or treason. Do you understand exactly what just happened? This is more than just a matter of agreeing with him. This is even worse than Bush's NorthCom Civil assistance plan, which I called him a traitor for...(and meant it) X of course you Im 100% Obama and what you must realize is he represents the super silent majority. He represents a lot of people who think he represents what they stand for....they are in love with "the idea" of Obama. I realize this does not nessesarily describe you or many of the other intelligent posters in the politics section, but one need only spend 15 minutes on youtube to confirm this. But, I digrresss..... Having interpols agents operating overhear may make it easier to have our CIA agents operating over there. Now we get to the meat of the issue. This is not just an issue of InterPol operating on our soil. They do and have before. The issue is that they have now been extended the privilages of executive order 12426, diplomatic immunity. For god sakes man, he just gave diplomatic imunity to COPS.....and international cops at that. Can you imagine what would happen in a place like say New york City or Los Angelos, if the city police department officers were suddenly granted that kind of imunity? Stop for a moment and really think about that one, take a minute and absorb that for a moment... I know you to be a pretty intelligantguy,think about the ramifications of this. I will be back to discuss this some more, it is a pretty involved topc and I expected at least a few people who would further this, so I was ready with more info to back my seemingly inflamitory title, but I feel pretty strongly I can back it and this one act alone does so when you think about the deep consiquences of it. Right now, we are left with two possibilties.... 1.) Obama is a good hearted man with the best of intentions, though tragicly naive to the ways of global organizations who have long wanted far more authority over our country, even in the face of our constitution and our soviergn states' constitutions, laws and authority.... 2. Obama is fully aware of and supports such constitutionaly blasphemous authority being given to these same international bodies and agrees with a lot of what they wish to gain over us because it genuinely fits in to his world view. Both put a knot in my stomachwhen I think about it. Especialy when I see so many figures in his staff, many of whom are not congressionaly vetted and approved, who also share this world view and support such international authory being asserted here.

Excellent job! Your experience and skill in mYlot is showing. As a chess player I applaud you. You baited men and took first shot in the debate and had I known it was going to be a debate I probably would have framed it differently. I need to understand more about the issue involved. Obama is not beyond making mistakes, the journey is still out about Gitmo, about Terror trials in the US, but he's not perfect but I do believe he is starting to internalize the magnitude of being Commander and Chief and I believe you will be surprised by his resovlve. However that does not change the fact that no president should be called a Traitor without good evidence. I would not even call Nixon a traitor, he loved this country but became a meglomaniac of power. Traitor is way too strong a word for even a serious situation you dont agree with like immigration or abortion even. Traitor and Treason should not be used in my opinion.

What will happen? All you have to do is look at Great Britain when they gave the police some leeway during the attacks by the IRA back in the 80' and 90's. One example was a young lady met a man in a bar and he needed a place to sleep for the night. She took him to her flat and the next morning he was gone. A few days later the police arrested her and held her for 6 months - no phone call, no lawyer, no one knew where she was and she was not told what she had done wrong. The man she let sleep in her flat was suspected (mind you only suspected) of being and IRA terrorist. The left in this country was up in arms when the CIA grabbed a known terrorist in a foreign country and took him to a "friendly" country to be questioned. The left is upset over the Patriot Act which allows federal officers to arrest someone and hold them for 2 days with out any reason. Just look at the child custody battle between the US Father and Brazilian Step Father. What if Brazil charges the real father with kidnapping and child endangerment, what would stop an Interpol officer from breaking into the home in the US and taking the child away from the real father. We can do nothing about it and we can not even search his luggage for the child.

Game officials can be bastarrds...but even they need a warrant for anything. If they do something requiring a warrant with out said warrant, they are still subject to what ever legal consiquences stemming from that, such as evidence being thrwon out, legal investigation etc. InterPol now has diplomatic immuinity and is not subject to this anymore.

Spalli, this is why I am putting this call out to law enforcement. We have to have their backing on this. As heroic and noble as it sounds to have average citizens performing armed detention of InterPol agnets, I can imagine with out law enforcement backing, it would be looked at as a crime, sad as that sounds it is the truth. Don't get me wrong, I would in fact use deadly force on one comming through my door, with out a second thought in fact. But I can also be sure I would probably be charged with murder right now. the way to tackle this is through your state. Start hounding state legislators and your governor. Insist they stand up against this and refuse to recognize InterPol as a legitimate law enforcement in your state. Also, start talking to your local police chief, your regional state police barracks commander, and most importantly, your county sheriff. If things coume down bad enough, we will of course have no choice but to take matters in to our own hands, but it is very important now that oposition to this policy have legitimate backing by the states.

I don't like this xfahctor, not one bit, so I'm definitely going to be my usual pain in the butt come Monday. Interpol might have diplomatic immunity but I will tell you this much. We have certain statutes on our side down here and no one...not Interpol nor that pesky game warden...are coming on my property uninvited without being subject to receiving fire. Not that they'd have any reason to come here but if everyone in Florida feels the same way...and judging by the callers to that radio show I was listening to which was local, they do...Interpol agents better be wearing their bullet proof vests...or, better yet, stay out of Florida.

what worries me is this will give InterPol alot more lattitude in enforcing laws of OTHER nations in the U.s. as well as international law enforced over U.S. citizens. the possibilities of this one siple act of his pen are astounding. I can't believe this isn't raising serious worry and anger in the counrtry at large.

If you had not wrote this I would not have know about this. So it is safe to say that most people have no clue about this. So since no one knows no one cares.

With a lot of people though, it will be a matter of "well, the news isn't upset about it or talking about it so I'm not worried either, it must be ok"

What this means is they can now do their job in ways that violate our constitution and not be answerable to it. For example, with out warrents, with out due process and any other constitutional aspect they wish to go around in the performance of their duty, and NOTHING can be done about it. If a police force, durring the course of their duty,violates one of your rights, there are legal consiquences for it. But with the extension of this order, InterPol agents are no longer legaly restrained from these consiquences. I wrote the white house about it (like that'l do any good) remided Obama of his oath of office and the immense legal gravity of this order. Oh....I openly called him a traitor in the email too, I am through being nice about this stuff...gettin too old for that crap.

"I hate that "dipolomats" have "immunity"." Frankly, I think diplomats should be held to a HIGHER standard than ordinary tourists from other countries. If some schmo from Brazil breaks a few traffic laws or runs a toll, I'm kind of understanding since he's just driving the way he's used to at home. A diplomat on the other hand is well educated and paid good money to know the customs and laws of the country he/she is assigned to.

Why is he doing this? I don't want to believe it, but it looks litteraly mre and more like a move towards acceptence of world governence. I have always laughed at "NWO" conspiricies and brushed them off as hogwash. I tell ya though, the last few years I am re-thinking my skeptisism.

The problem is this isn't about our security, if anything it makes us far less secure and more open to threats from potentialy hostile nations that may use InterPol against certain U.S.citizens for what ever reaason they see fit.

lol, sorry....Im not always the quickest rat in the race.

That's what I just said in a sarcastic manner. I was meaning how dare he complain about our security people when he hands the "bad guys" an open invitation.

They now enjoy the same diplomatic immunity granted to ambassadors, diplomats and such, you read correctly. The executive order can be viewed right on the Whitehouse website: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-amending-executive-order-12425

Wow mar.....this is one I missed, thanks for the heads up. Anyway, as to the original topic. I suppose yes, this would be treason, another word I find myself using more and more in disbelief. I just can't understand how people can't see past the glitter. Most people would prbably not even give this a second thought untill an interpol agent storms their house and detains them with out a warrent, attorny, u.s. law enforcement permission, or any of the other rights guaranteed. You can bet they'd be screaming about it after.