A Dirty Little Secret About the "Bathroom Law"

@FourWalls (86855)
United States
April 9, 2016 12:25pm CST
A few days ago @Berniezeitler wrote a discussion about the "Bathroom of Choice," a growing controversy in the U.S. springing from a tiny minority of people demanding the right to use the bathroom they want to use instead of one associated with their actual birth gender. (Please make sure you read Bernie's discussion.) This has caused such a stir in North Carolina that Bruce Springsteen canceled a concert in Greensboro in protest over the state barring such laws. (See my recent discussion about it.) I have a problem with 300 million people being inconvenienced for the "rights" of 700,000 people. That's right -- pro-gay web sites say that there are only about 700,000 transgendered people in the United States. And for that -- the approximate population of Memphis, Tennessee or Austin, Texas -- people are getting in an uproar. The North Carolina so-called "Bathroom Law" was brought about to counter a law passed in Charlotte, NC that allowed people to use the public restrooms corresponding with the gender they identified with (without any proof, mind you), not their biological gender. (Again, remember, we're talking 700,000 total transgendered people in America, so you may have 30 or 40 people who are truly transgendered in Charlotte.). One of the major complaints is that people are afraid that men would have used this "pick your own bathroom" law to gain access to restrooms, where they can do anything from be a peeping tom to commit rape. People claim that's outrageous, but there is a dirty little secret about the North Carolina law that gives credence to those fears. The chief proponent for getting the Charlotte law passed allowing anyone access to the bathroom of their choosing is a man named Chad Sevearance-Turner. He was the head of the Charlotte LGBT Chamber of Commerce. He is also a convicted sex offender. He was convicted in 2000 of sexually molesting a 15-year-old boy while working as a youth minister in a South Carolina church in 1998. Once the fact that the man working so hard for the law to be passed is a convicted sex offender was brought to light Sevearance-Turner promptly resigned from the Charlotte LGBT Chamber of Commerce, but not before the law he championed had been passed. That, coupled with the fact that there are already documented cases of "straight" men using the law to gain access to women's restrooms and showers, should set warning bells off. I have a simple philosophy: if you want to be a woman, stop dressing like one, go get your "man parts" removed and become a woman. Otherwise, go use the urinal. There aren't any urinals in the women's rooms. (Not to mention the fact that there's going to be uproars over the toilet seats left up! ) An article about the Charlotte law that prompted the passage of North Carolina's "Bathroom Law":
Last year, the Charlotte City Council voted down a controversial new ordinance that was referred to as the “Bathroom Bill”. Supporters of the bill say that the new ordinance will protect the rights of trans-gendered people, allowing them to use ...
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@cindiowens (5120)
• North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
9 Apr 16
Why can't they just use the "family" bathroom and shut their pie holes. I am all for equal rights for everyone, but this is just ridiculous. (Only my opinion.)
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@LeaPea2417 (40058)
• Toccoa, Georgia
10 Apr 16
I agree , Cynthia
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
17 Apr 16
That was basically my thought as well. Personally I think that some people make to much fuss over this kind of thing. It makes me wonder if they are fussing because they believe in the stand they are taking or are they fussing just to get noticed? I think it may be the later. I, although being a woman have used the men's room on occasion when I had to go and for some reason the ladies room was not available. And one time I had to go into a crowded men's room with my husband to attend to his needs because he was paralyzed and had to have an attendant. The men in the room didn't even bat an eye. No one was embarrassed. Some people thrive on controversy.
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@nanette64 (20363)
• Fairfield, Texas
9 Apr 16
I agree @FourWalls , this whole thing is a crock of you know what. I'm getting so sick and tired of THE FEW demanding to THE MAJORITY what the heck to do. Maybe THE FEW should demand that all businesses built a THIRD bathroom; just for them. I suppose that's next.
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@FourWalls (86855)
• United States
9 Apr 16
I truly believe this is part of what's made Donald Trump so popular. People can only take so much before they scream "Enough already!!!"
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
9 Apr 16
That is crazy and insane. but that is how it has been happening all around the world - a majority are forced to suffer because of minority, maybe for different causes and reasons, but that happens. I fail to understand if these law makers are out of their minds. As a no one, I too can sense that this law is ridiculous. It would have been much better if they did set up some more restrooms marked as gender neutral or even strictly for the LGBT, things would have been good and even appreciated.
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@Jessicalynnt (50523)
• Centralia, Missouri
9 Apr 16
I wish we'd have some uni bathrooms for families, so dad can take his 4 year old daughter to the bathroom without having to parade her past urinals and stuff. Airports have them, more public places need that, or single seaters that way anyone can use.
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@FourWalls (86855)
• United States
9 Apr 16
That does solve the problem. When I play golf there are far more men than women, so guys tend to use the women's room...but it is a one-seater. I don't have a problem with that because I'm not in there with them when they're using it.
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@FourWalls (86855)
• United States
10 Apr 16
@Jessicalynnt -- I was in a venue last week for a concert, and that's exactly what they did: it's marked "restroom." Period.
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• Centralia, Missouri
9 Apr 16
@FourWalls exactly. I have been places too where there are 2 one seaters, and the line on the womens is miles long. why not just make them both whatevers!
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@andriaperry (118793)
• Anniston, Alabama
9 Apr 16
I am out of the mix! I have not heard of this, I work way to much :)
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@teamfreak16 (43655)
• Denver, Colorado
9 Apr 16
One summer, when my ex-girlfriend and I would go drinking, I would go into autopilot on the way to the restroom, and I walked into the women's room. This was not done on purpose, but it happened in six different places. I got a lot of dirty looks, so I kind of get not wanting men in the women's restroom. Luckily, I haven't done it since.
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@pumpkinjam (8876)
• United Kingdom
15 Apr 16
While I sympathise with transgender people, I can see how allowing them to use whichever bathroom they choose can open up possibilities of abuse. Actually, when I say transgender, that's not what I mean. If a transgender person has had gender reassignment surgery then use the bathroom associated with the bits they have. Otherwise, use the one associated to your birth gender - i.e. the one you've got the bits for. I did see something where a woman was asked to prove she was a woman when using the women's bathroom because someone thought she was a man. That's not OK. I suppose a good option would be to just not have gender specific bathrooms. If it's all separate cubicles, or individual bathrooms, it wouldn't matter anyway.
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@Rosekitty (19368)
• San Marcos, Texas
28 Apr 16
love the post of the toilet seat uproar..hhahaah..happens in every home i'm sure..and no laws have passed about that..hahah
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@celticeagle (189957)
• Boise, Idaho
9 Apr 16
What was going on to cause this law to be passed anyway? I do agree with what you are saying but, do you realize the things a person has to go through before they can get the operation to change their gender? They have to go through a psych eval, a period of time before the operation. I think that these people have enough going on without this new law.
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@celticeagle (189957)
• Boise, Idaho
10 Apr 16
@FourWalls ...I'm just talking about back in the early 20th century when parents were ignorant and chose what they thought was best. Then later the poor child has to go by what the parents chose or make a change of their own. These countries where girl baby are looked upon as nothing are just abominable to me.
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@FourWalls (86855)
• United States
9 Apr 16
That's why I used the term "truly" transgendered. A cross dresser isn't transgendered. A cross dresser isn't a hermaphrodite. I knew a woman who was born with both sexes, she said the doctor asked her parents if they wanted a boy or a girl. She went through 30 years or so as a man...till an ovary ruptured. Most of the people pleading for this law aren't like her. There are 700,000 in the US -- so the overwhelming majority are not actually affected by the law. And there have already been at least two cases of men taking advantage of the "go into the bathroom of your choice" laws: a man in Seattle went into a woman's locker room and said the law said he could be in there; and, in 2012, a woman was raped by a man who got into a homeless shelter claiming to be a transgendered woman.
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@rebelann (117269)
• El Paso, Texas
6 May 22
This is why women never go to the ladies room alone .... well, not when they're out on the town that is. As for me, I think I'll just go potty before going out shopping.
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@akalinus (44366)
• United States
12 Apr 16
I went in the women's room in Walmart today. I wondered why the seat was up. Now I know. Shudder, shudder.
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@just4him (323168)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
15 Apr 16
It's senseless. My opinion. I've seen bathroom signs for both men and women. They can use those.
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@Traceyjayne (11488)
• United Kingdom
11 Apr 16
I understand that this may cause problems although I have not encountered it before. I try not to use the loo when I am out so maybe I have just not noticed .
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@porwest (112924)
• United States
27 Jan 23
And the mess has only gotten worse. Ugh. It is what it is. As I have said many times before, the world has simply gone mad and we live in one now where the minority scrambles the majority and we are supposed to just sit back and take it. Luckily, 6 years after this post was written, I am starting to see the majority stand up and speak louder and are beginning to say ENOUGH of this. It's about time.
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@FourWalls (86855)
• United States
27 Jan 23
There is only so far the “fringe” (of either side of the spectrum) can push the majority before they push back. And hard.
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@porwest (112924)
• United States
30 Jan 23
@FourWalls We are not quite there yet...but I am beginning to see signs, and I think that is a positive thing.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
10 Apr 16
My wife says she would refuse to use a ladies' room if the law allowed any man who claimed to think he was a woman, as @FourWalls said - with absolutely no proof - to saunter into the ladies' room make himself comfortable. I've said it before, and I'll probably have to say it again, if you have an X and a Y chromosome your male, regardless of what you've had chopped off down below or added on up above. Having a "female" brain is a disorder caused by a hormone imbalance caused, in most cases, by something the mother was taking during that point in embryonic development. This imbalance occurs in just of 2 tenths of 1% of the population. That means there are less than 1,900 authentically transgendered people in Charlotte, and less than 23,500 in all of North Carolina. The LGBT crowd is saying that nearly 5 million North Carolina woman should be made uncomfortable so that about 17,500 men who think they're woman can use the ladies' room. It just doesn't make sense.
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@Butchcass4 (5895)
• United States
15 May 16
I pray the majority will lift up their voices to be heard against this nonsense and the danger its putting women in and children; God help us all but especially the childfren as if theres not enough raping and molesting going on!
@TheHorse (238356)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 Apr 16
Thanks for the info. It's interesting t look at the numbers.
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@JudyEv (382440)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Apr 16
There is often more to these controversial laws than meets the eye. Your information sheds a whole new light on the matter.
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