Another sad call from Horse Jr. yesterday

@TheHorse (238298)
Walnut Creek, California
January 29, 2021 11:24am CST
I could only speak to him for a few minutes, as I had to head off to Guitar Center to give lessons. But he told me he was grounded again. Grounded in his case means no internet. I asked him what he did wrong. He told me he didn't know. I went all child psychologist and said, "Hmm. Punishment isn't effective if you don't know what you did wrong. Then I said, "Were you a smarty pants to your mom?" He said that was probably it. As I've mentioned before, his mom is a bit nutty. When I was teaching Research Methods at the College, she told me that research methods was a silly subject, and that all you needed was enlightenment, like she had. She told me some day I would understand. She is an Alex Jones supporter and still believes that there are sex traffickers operating out of pizza parlors, funded by Hillary Clinton. I said to Horse Jr., "I have to go. You can call me later, but then your mom will be home and you'll have to edit what you say to me." He's 12 now and understands my language. He said, "I know. Maybe I'll call you tomorrow." I said, "Are you grounded for one day or two?" He said "I don't know." He extended the conversation by asking about Kitty. I told him about her patterns, and that she was fine. I still made it to work on time.
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@CarolDM (203396)
• Nashville, Tennessee
29 Jan 21
That is too bad. Glad he is able to call you.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Jan 21
Yep. But I worry about his mom "gaslighting" him.
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@CarolDM (203396)
• Nashville, Tennessee
29 Jan 21
@TheHorse All you can do is all you can do. Sorry.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Jan 21
@CarolDM Yep. I am confident that what he's learned from me (loving math and logic, for example) will stay with him.
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@much2say (57760)
• Los Angeles, California
29 Jan 21
I had wondered how he/they have been since the move. I remember she was into conspiracy theories - but oh no. Horse Jr. is just about my son's age . . . and I know he is very smart . . . he probably senses some oddities. I'm glad he can reach out to you - he needs you and your sensibility.
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@much2say (57760)
• Los Angeles, California
29 Jan 21
@TheHorse I hope you get to talk to him again soon. Have you talked to his mom at all?
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Jan 21
@much2say Yes, I talk to his mom. We're on good terms. But we don't discuss politics.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Jan 21
I wish I could have talked to him longer. Maybe he'll call today. But if he has his computer back...well...he is a 'tween.
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@marlina (154103)
• Canada
29 Jan 21
Sorry about this situation with your son and his Mom, she does seem like quite a character, When can he be with you?
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@kobesbuddy (78833)
• East Tawas, Michigan
29 Jan 21
If a child is being punished for something they did or didn't do, they should understand why! Confusion? It's no wonder children are whirling with confusion, inside their minds! Adults need to communicate with children, not hammer them into shape. By the way, at 12 years of age a child can legally choose which parent they live with. Consider this, for his benefit.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Jan 21
Alas, I see a lot of "hammering into shape," even among early childhood educators.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Jan 21
@kobesbuddy Honestly, I am surprised by how often I see this among ECE teachers. I see our job as to make sure they're safe, and to encourage exploration.
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@kobesbuddy (78833)
• East Tawas, Michigan
29 Jan 21
@TheHorse And this is absolutely wrong! For adults to use 'dominating and control' to mold a child's character
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@porwest (112819)
• United States
29 Jan 21
She does sound like a total basket case. Poor kid. At least you have the ability to provide some stability in his life he won't get from his batty mother.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Jan 21
I absolutey adore 3- and 4-year-olds. But they turn into 12-year-olds. I adore this kid, and hope I can keep him "balanced" in his view of the world. What's most important to me is that he maintains his "objectivity" toward what he hears. And that he continues to enjoy life.
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@porwest (112819)
• United States
30 Jan 21
@TheHorse If he is of a balanced mind, he will. But I don't all people are wired that way. I hope he turns out despite his circumstances, but it may a larger hill to climb. We see it all the time in the inner cities. Few of the kids get out of the system. In fact, they get in it themselves and tend to stay in it.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
31 Jan 21
@porwest As you know, I'm a "Liberal in recovery." If the kid and I have to talk "politics," I hope he maintains the "objectivity" that is a part of my upbringing, and (we hope--I'm sure there are biases even in academic publications) a part of the scientific method. He loves math (my influence), and he and I consistently "tested hypotheses" over our years together. I hope he gets to a point where he doesn't fall victim to "group think," whether it be BLM or QANON.
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@arunima25 (93194)
• Bangalore, India
29 Jan 21
He is 12. That's a sensitive age..He will soon be a teenager. He needs a sensitive handling. He should know what he is grounded for.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Jan 21
I'm pretty honest with him. I say things like, "Your mother and I disagree about that. But soon you'll be old enough to form your own opionions about these kinds of things. Listen to everyone, but do your own research."
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@arunima25 (93194)
• Bangalore, India
5 Feb 21
@TheHorse That's a sensible thing to say. Good that he has got you and he can call and share with you. He needs a sensitive understanding adult .
@jobelbojel (36796)
• Philippines
30 Jan 21
I agree there will be no correction if the person doesn't know the reason for being grounded.
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@jobelbojel (36796)
• Philippines
30 Jan 21
@TheHorse Hope you can figure out :)
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Jan 21
@jobelbojel I'm going to keep being a "safe" good listener for him. And when I disagree with his mom, I'll tell him. But I'll emphasize that it's OK to disagree, and that his mom and I are still friends.
@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Jan 21
I am not sure what to do at this point.
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@LadyDuck (502394)
• Italy
30 Jan 21
I am sorry for this kid, having a weird mother is not funny, I hope you can talk longer with him.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Jan 21
I'll try to catch him again soon. Yep, I worry about her effects on him.
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@LadyDuck (502394)
• Italy
31 Jan 21
@TheHorse She is growing him up the wrong way, punish without saying the reason, those are "iron curtain" methods.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
31 Jan 21
@LadyDuck Yep. She's from Croatia. I would have to study the politics of that nation, and her personal history, to understand her.
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@DaddyEvil (174377)
• United States
30 Jan 21
I'm glad he has you to talk with, pony. *sigh* I'm sorry his mom is so credulous...
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@DaddyEvil (174377)
• United States
1 Feb 21
@TheHorse That's always good news! Is his mom doing okay at her new job?
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
1 Feb 21
@DaddyEvil I think she is doing OK at her new job.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
31 Jan 21
I just talked to him. I think I'm about to learn that the Holocaust never happened.
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@DianneN (254926)
• United States
30 Jan 21
I’m glad he called you. The poor kid.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
31 Jan 21
I just spoke with him. We had some good conversation. But then he started parroting some of his mom's political BS. I think I'm about to learn that the Holocaust did not happen. I ended the conversation by giving him a math (no politics there) challenge.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
31 Jan 21
@DianneN He's going to experience some "cognitive dissonance" along the way. But I suppose we all do.
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@DianneN (254926)
• United States
31 Jan 21
@TheHorse That poor kid. Thank goodness he keeps in touch with you.
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@JudyEv (382018)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Feb 21
Poor Horse Jr. I'm sure he would miss you a lot. I guess you miss him too.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
4 Feb 21
I miss him big time. I hope does not forget what we've learned together.
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@JudyEv (382018)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Feb 21
@TheHorse I'm sure he won't. I'm sure you were a major positive influence in his life.
@Shiva49 (28375)
• Singapore
30 Jan 21
That is not a good thing. I set an example to my son in terms of behavior and self-discipline but never imposed my views, restrictions. I used to remind him he has to make wise choices. The comfort he enjoyed has to be retained by him only. Some can be like a wet blanket, I agree
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Jan 21
I think that kids are all learning machines. Over time,Ii hope he will consider his mom's input, consider my input, and make his own decisions.He cannot unlearn the math, music, and logic I have taught him.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Jan 21
@Shiva49 Yeppers. I'm on my "best behavior" when I'm around kids. They imitate everything we do.
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@Shiva49 (28375)
• Singapore
30 Jan 21
@TheHorse I think my son remembers the basics I adhered to. I have never been a hypocrite. What you see is what you get - has helped me all along. You know better than me children are like sponge. He will know which side of the bread is buttered to get ahead in life the right way.
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@thelme55 (79308)
• Germany
31 Jan 21
A child should know why he got punished so there would not be a misunderstanding. I hope he can call you again.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
31 Jan 21
Maybe I'll call him now. Mom might be working.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
31 Jan 21
@thelme55 I did. We talked. It was good. But then he started parroting his mom's politics. I think his mom has taught him that the Holocaust never happened. I'll have to look into that one.
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@thelme55 (79308)
• Germany
31 Jan 21
@TheHorse Good luck.
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@LindaOHio (222310)
• United States
30 Jan 21
Sorry to hear this. I'm sure a talk with you will help him.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Jan 21
I'm sure it's good for him to know that I'm still out there for him.
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@BarBaraPrz (51818)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
30 Jan 21
Good to know you're still in touch with Jr. I hope he survives his childhood.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Jan 21
Heh. I hope so too.
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@marguicha (230351)
• Chile
29 Jan 21
His mother seems rather crazy from what you have told.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Jan 21
I think she is probably "diagnosable."
@vandana7 (102698)
• India
30 Jan 21
I sure understand the kiddos position. And your stand about her NOW.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
31 Jan 21
I'm worried. But I also have some faith in his intellect.
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@wolfgirl569 (135690)
• Marion, Ohio
30 Jan 21
Glad he called. I was wondering about him the other day.
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@TheHorse (238298)
• Walnut Creek, California
31 Jan 21
It was good to hear his voice. I may call him now. I don't know if he's "grounded" today or not.
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@1creekgirl (44560)
• United States
4 Feb 21
I know you miss him. Glad you can at least talk on the phone at times.