Obama - right in attacking police sargeant??

United States
July 23, 2009 8:51am CST
I have to say I was a little disgusted this morning watching the news and seeing how in an interview that was to be about the proposed Health Care plan, he attacked the police and called what they did stupid! First, what does that have to do with Health Care, and second...its that mans fault he got arrested. He broke into his house, fine, but when someone called the cops because they didn't know it was him, and he was just asked for ID, why didn't he just show it?? Without proof of who he was, did they have any other choice but to arrest him. And why does it have to be all about the fact that he is black and the sargeant was white!! So stupid!
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• United States
23 Jul 09
So very true and it is nerve racking that the man who is supposed to be impartial to racial things brings up the fact of color. His health care plan is a set up to make more people dependant on the government so he shines the spot light on another subject to make people not pay as close of attention to a step he wants to take that no one even many in his own party believe will work. As for the officer, if he had not demanded proof and let the man go on his way he would have been sued and fired for not doing his job to protect the people, and what if he had not been at his house and he had hurt someone the officer didn't know that. That poor man is being martyred for no good reason. He did his job get off his back. But no our media will run with it and make a much bigger deal out of it because they can.
• United States
23 Jul 09
Thank you OpinionatedLady! Like I have been saying all day...why are we being so hard on this man for doing his job? I don't recognize the man who was breaking into his own home...and apparently he is famous...so why should that cop have recognized him. It is so sad! Thank you for your comment!!
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• United States
24 Jul 09
Thank you opinionated lady! I didn't know the man was famous either, and that is a great point bringing up that famous people do bad things too! I continue to enjoy your comments!
• United States
24 Jul 09
In all honesty I didn't even realize that man was famous. Who is he? What is he famous for? Just because someone is well known though doesn't mean that the cop should trust him look at all the well known people who do bad things like beat up their spouses. Not to mention Obama's lovely democratic friends in NJ. He didn't bring up a crime ring involving all (minus 1 politicians) democratic party members in a money, kidney and fake Gucci bag ring. 44 democrats and orthodox rabbis as well as some smaller town mayors and inspectors where arrested with more arrests expected. Why didn't Obama bash them for selling body parts! No go after the poor cop doing his job, yeah cause he's the bad guy right?
• United States
23 Jul 09
Any time anyone can play the race card, they will. I work in law enforcement and I've been called every nasty name under the books and have even had defense lawyers tell me that I need to take a racial class to learn not to be biased towards once race or another. I'm sorry, but the fact that I'm white and I arrested your black child for robbery does NOT make me a racist anymore so than standing in a garage makes me a mechanic. Your kid does the crime, they will be arrested. This type of racism happens every time a white cop arrests a black person. When do we ever see a black cop getting accused of being racist when he arrests a white man or a white child? There is a book called "The Race Card: How Bluffing About Bias Makes Race Relations Worse" that a LOT of people need to read.
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• United States
24 Jul 09
I know the feeling. I was in charge of hiring a new officer for the department. A supervisor for another division suggested strongly that we hire a minority. Sure. I'll give my 2 cents to the hiring people on who I think is best, regardless if they are black, white, Mexican or Asian. We did have a couple of black guys interview, but they lacked the experience and education that we were looking for. We wound up hiring a white man with a master's degree in criminal law. He was the best one for the job, not because he was white. He had a degree and years and years of experience.
• United States
23 Jul 09
People should read it! I hate people who cry racial when there isn't any. I got reprimanded by my boss once for being racist against women...which is odd, since I am one. But I had to hire someone who could lift 75 pounds on a regular basis, and a didn't hire this cute little girl that was 16 and couldn't lift 30 pounds. She was really cute though, and he wanted me to hire her, I didn't, and I got in trouble for it. Whats funny, is that I did end up hiring a girl for the position, but she was qualified for the position...and not that cute. I was so angry, I quit and went to work somewhere else. Thank you for your post, I hope people read that book!
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
23 Jul 09
Because that guy was a friend of Obama's. Obama even admitted he doesn't know what happened but he automatically snapped to a judgment. It is not for him to comment on this. He needs to allow the police to solve the issue.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Jul 09
That's what I would have done. My statement would have been very simple. "I have not reviewed this case and it would be premature for me to make any statement without first gathering the facts. I think it's unfortunate that a misunderstanding led to an arrest of a close friend, etc."
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• United States
23 Jul 09
I agree, even if some reporter asked him about it, he should have politely declined to comment, instead of saying that they acted stupidly. Thank you for your comment.
• United States
23 Jul 09
I agree, Obama is supposively a very intelligent person with a good direction, but this direction that he took was not professional of a President of the United States. Obama wants to stop the racist in the country or so I thought. With a comment like that, well, that does not help. I guess we don't have a bias President.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Jul 09
I don't know the entire story on that incident, but I had to break into my own house once. While doing it I kept thinking to myself, I look like a criminal right now. I wouldn't be surprised if someone calls the cops on me. Nobody did, but if the cops had shown up I would have eagerly explained why neighbors called and shown appropriate ID to the officers. Once somebody calls they do have reasonable suspicion to search you and your home.
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• United States
23 Jul 09
I agree, I would want to quickly show ID and get the incident over. Thank you for your comment Taskr36!
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
23 Jul 09
Not having been there to witness it, it's hard to say for 100% certain. But, if things went down as the homeowner says they did, I have to agree with him and Obama, it was stupid. I can understand the cop having to investigate a call on a crim ein progress, I can understand him questioning the guy. But when he showed his ID to the cop and got arrested for disorderly conduct, yeh, it was handled badly and "stupid". But again, I wasn't there. All accounts I heard though, from the homeowner and a spokesman from the police department, the cop acted way out of line. What is equally stupid to me though is a reporter asking such a question at an important prime time presidential press conference. I was stunned. I didn't catch who the question was from but if he worked for my publication or tv station, the guy would be fired for stupidity and incompetence.
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• United States
23 Jul 09
Thank you for your comment and sharing your opinion xfahctor. I also think this whole thing is stupid, and yet it irritates me. I am from Alaska, so I am already not a big fan of the press after what they did to Sarah Palin, and made her out to be someone that she isn't. These people make good money for what they do...is it to much to ask that they do their job well?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Jul 09
Based on the police report and the statement from the witness the police officer conducted himself appropriately. http://www.thebostonchannel.com/download/2009/0720/20120754.pdf As soon as the woman called about a suspected breakin the officer had reasonable suspicion. The witness was there when the officer arrived as well. According to the report and the witness Gates accused the officer of racism as soon as he knocked on the door. Personally, I would get very suspicious if I were the officer that a criminal could be playing the race card in the hopes of getting the officer to back off. The man repeatedly threatened the officer and refused to show identification. According to the report the arrest happened after the officer had left the house as the man followed him outside screaming that he was a racist. The whole mess could have ended as soon as the officer left, but at the point that the man pursued him screaming accusations and threats in front of the public and other officers, I think the officer had every right to arrest him for disorderly conduct. Frankly, I think the guy WANTED to be arrested for the publicity. As it is though, I wasn't there and don't know everything. Obama wasn't there and knew NOTHING about the incident so I think it was stupid for HIM to publicly insult a police officer regarding a case he knew nothing about.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
23 Jul 09
"is it to much to ask that they do their job well?" Their job these days is to be a bunch of state run, washington DC mouth pieces and agenda pushers, I'd say they are doing their job VERY well, lol.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
23 Jul 09
"White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Thursday that the president does not regret his choice of language. "Cooler heads should have prevailed. That's what the president denoted," he said. "He was not calling the officer stupid. The situation got out of hand." The officer did keep cool. The police report, including the statement of the second officer on the scene (who happens to be Latino) indicates that it was clearly Professor Gate's behavior and causing of a scene that led to his arrest for disorderly conduct. Cool heads indeed, too bad that Professor Gates hadn't kept a cool head. Here's the police report: http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Gates_Arrest.pdf The president should have kept a cool head and not rushed to judgment on the word of his friend, Gates. BTW, Officer Crowley, who is at the center of this controversy was the campus police officer who administered CPR and mouth to mouth rescucitation to Reggie Lewis, the basketball player who suffered a fatal heart attack. “I wasn’t working on Reggie Lewis the basketball star. I wasn’t working on a black man. I was working on another human being,” Sgt. James Crowley, in an exclusive interview with the Herald, said of the forward’s fatal heart attack July 27, 1993, at age 27 during an off-season practice at Brandeis University, where Crowley was a campus police officer." I guess Obama didn't know that, either, just like he didn't know any of the other facts of the case.
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• United States
23 Jul 09
Thank you for this informative comment. I hate the racial card, and I always have. My parents taught me that all people were created equal. And if you are in a position of power, you better make sure you have your facts straight, I think maybe the president owes this cop an apology.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
23 Jul 09
I have watched many police dramas on television and it always seems like the one that does not show his id and proves that he is not that criminal who broke into houses or ran down those kids or whatever, is always a black man. I wonder why? I mean I have a double back in Vancouver B.C. where I used to live, Mary I believe (someone called me that once in a evil knowing sort of way) and if I was mistaken for that tr*mp, I would take out my id or any form if id I had on and said "see my name is A- " and that would be the end of that. But this guy who happens to think that he is right because he is darker then the rest of us, does not want to show his id. Knowing this, I feel rather insulted, to think that someone thinks I am dishonest because my skin happens to be a beigy sort of pink! I have been asked for my id many times and it did not bother me and sometimes the person who wanted to see it was either a Canadian Aborigine, Chinese, or even black.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
23 Jul 09
The guy DID show his ID to the cop actually, and was arrested for disoderly conduct after he did.
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• United States
23 Jul 09
Thank you...I think this country needs to get over all of its race issues. It is time to move on. I will show my id to a policeman regardless of what color they are or what color I am. And when I show it, why would I get agitated? Its their job, and if I wanted to throw a fit about that, and they arrested me...well, that would be my own fault. Thank you for your comment.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Jul 09
He refused to show his ID several times and didn't show it for some time while screaming at the officer. After the officer had verified his identity the man then followed the officer outside and continued screaming at him. It wasn't like he was arrested immediately after showing his ID. He was arrested after making a scene when the episode should have been over.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
23 Jul 09
I'm not sure I'd call it an "attack" but I have no problem with what he said. In the first place it wasn't him that changed the subject from health care it was the reporter that asked the question about this arrest. I understand now there are several versions of what actually happened but apparently as of last night the President had heard the same version I had - that the man had shown his ID immediately and had then been arrested for disturbing the peace, I think it was. Could the President possibly have chosen a different word than "stupidly"? Sure, but this gentleman is a personal friend of his and even the POTUS has friends and reacts a little more strongly when something happens to one of them that he doesn't consider quite fair. There wasn't anything wrong with the neighbor calling the cops thinking the house was being broken into and there certainly wasn't anything wrong with the police answering the call. What happened next is where the problem lies depending on what actually happened. You ask, "And why does it have to be all about the fact that he is black and the sargeant was white?" I don't know about it having to be "all about" that fact but the fact is there has been quite a history of white police officers treating "people of color" differently than they treat white people. Most cops are great and are not racists and I'm sure it's likely this officer is one of the good ones but there should be an investigation simply because of what has happened in the past so there can be no mistake about it. The commentators I was watching last night predicted that one question would be the "headline" of the press conference and they got it right, didn't they? Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
24 Jul 09
"it wasn't him that changed the subject from health care it was the reporter that asked the question about this arrest" The reporter was an idiot as that question had nothing to do with the topic of discussion. I think we can both agree on that. "I understand now there are several versions of what actually happened but apparently as of last night" Oddly enough there aren't several versions. Gates (the professor) hasn't disputed anything in the police report. He's just claiming that it was a racist officer who ONLY demanded his ID because he was black. "as of last night the President had heard the same version I had - that the man had shown his ID immediately and had then been arrested for disturbing the peace, I think it was." There is no such version that I know of. Even by Gates's own account he did NOT immediately show his ID to the officer and when he did, it was his Harvard ID. This was the first printing of the story to my knowledge on July 20th, 3 days before Obama's conference. http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/harvard.html You know the reason Obama was "stupid" to say what he did is that he didn't know the facts. All he had to do was say "no comment" or I'm afraid I don't know enough about the situation to address that question. After all, it took him a week to address the protests in Iran and people were actually DYING there.
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• United States
24 Jul 09
Thank you for your comment Annie. It was just my understanding that he didn't show an ID right away, and when he did, it wasn't a DL with his address on it. Then he became agitated and started yelling. I just don't think that is right. And this is a much respected officer, whose dept. is standing behind him. He followed policy, so that should be what matters. Only if he didn't follow policy should there be an investigation. Regardless, I appreciate you taking the time to comment here. I look forward to reading others opinions. Cheers!
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
23 Jul 09
He did show the ID, after being asked twice and acting like a belligerent fool, if we go according to the police report. None of it has anything to do with his skin color. It has everything to do with him acting like an idiot and blowing things out of proportion. I'm sure Sharpton has wet himself at the prospect of causing turmoil in the life of another "whitey" again. It would be a shame if Obama falls in line with people of that mind set.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Jul 09
The ID he showed was a Harvard ID that did not have his address on it so even then, the officer didn't have "proof" that he lived there.
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• United States
23 Jul 09
A shame yes, but sometimes I think he has. He has more important things to worry about that some friend of his acting like an idiot. I hope he refuses to comment on this in the future. They have already said the officer did nothing wrong, so it isn't very supportive of Obama to the police dept to call them stupid. Thank you for your comment Latrivia!
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
24 Jul 09
I guess I'm going to have to read further on this one. Another mylotter, sent me a link but I haven't read it yet. On the news this morning they were saying that he had already proven who he was prior to being arrested. Beyond all that, I agree that it was wrong for Obama to even bring it up when he was supposed to be discussing health care. It is a police matter and still under investigation. He is entitled to his personal opinion but it should not have been aired on television the way it was.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
24 Jul 09
"On the news this morning they were saying that he had already proven who he was prior to being arrested." That's true. He was arrested because after the officer left his house Gates followed him outside and continued to scream at him calling him a racist. If you do that in your home, all's good. Once you pursue someone outside and continue to scream, you can be charged with disorderly conduct and that's what happened.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
24 Jul 09
if that's the truth, then he brought it on. Just because he is supposedly well-known does not place him above the law. I do know they will arrest you for just swearing at them if you irritate them enough. My brother once called the cops on his neighbors music being too loud & he had to get up in the morning. My brother has long hair and has also been known to play his music loud. Cops arrived....heard the music & thought it was coming from my brother's apt and proceeded to get after him. Rather than remain calm, my brother flipped out and got himself arrested. His friend came to his defense...also got arrested. The guy with the loud music got told to turn it down and my brother and his friend spent the night in lock-up.
@cryw0lf (1302)
• United Kingdom
23 Jul 09
I agree, he should have shown I.D, I'm sure it wouldn't have taken longer then like.. a minute or two to produce it. - Its like he thinks hes above the law or something...
• United States
23 Jul 09
Agreed, thank you for your comment cryw0lf...people just have to make things more difficult than they have to be!!
@lelin1123 (15595)
• Puerto Rico
24 Jul 09
I think you got your facts all wrong. First of all the President was asked that question by the press. Second of all Mr. Gates showed his ID to prove who he was and that he belonged in that house. I believe its when Mr. Gates got a bit upset by the way he was being treated by the police and that is why it escalated to him being arrested. However, President Obama was totally correct in calling the Police "Stupid" because they were. I'm sure the police were embarrassed and instead of apolozing they got attitudes. I'm sure if they had said Mr. Gates we are so sorry but we had to be sure, everything would have been fine. But Police think they are they are GOD Almighty with all the power and they can say and do whatever they want. In case you are thinking that this must be a black person writing this, I'm not, I'm a white female and truly do not like the police for the most part. No, I've never been in trouble at all. Its just I've seen to much in my 52 years on this earth. Plus I have had cops in my family and I know about the game the cops play. There is really not one institution in the world that you can trust 100%.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
24 Jul 09
"However, President Obama was totally correct in calling the Police "Stupid" because they were." How do YOU know that? Were you there? Have you read all accounts of what happened? If so, what exactly did the police do that was stupid and why was it stupid?
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• United States
24 Jul 09
Taskr3, I have to agree with you here. I know that not all cops are good, but I have really learned in the last few days that a lot of people don't like cops. So, just in my opinion, I don't think the president should be calling them stupid and making people dislike them anymore.
• United States
23 Jul 09
I saw this on yahoo and your take is violently different. Good thing you are reporting it. Yahoo made it sound like a traffic stop. And in those cases you get DWB - driving while black. If this was about a domestic police call then it has nothing to do with race.
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• United States
23 Jul 09
Yes, it is unfortunate that he locked his keys in his house, and had to break in...I can see why someone called the cops. Of course, if you are a well of scholar, I don't see why you just wouldn't call a locksmith...Thank you for your comment.
• United States
23 Jul 09
I've since read up a ton of information about this on the internet. For example, he was in trouble because his own neighbors called the police. And guess what my neighbors wouldn't call the police if I was breaking into my own house, they would be helping.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
24 Jul 09
That's why it's good to know your neighbors.
@chedvah (66)
• United States
23 Jul 09
From a white perspective [which I am], I wondered why all the big fuss; why didn't he just show the policeman his ID? But, being married to a black man, I've learned that there is a whole different perspective on things. Blacks have suffered terrible persecution because of their race here in the states [my husband could tell you stories!], and their initial reaction is to be defensive and to feel threatened. They initially don't trust police [and usually with good reason], and I'm sure the man thought that he was being accused of a crime because of his color. After all, how could a black man possibly be the home owner of that house? Police should be trained in how to de-escalate situations, not to make them worse. They should also have training on how best to deal with such racial situations. It is an unfortunate situation, one that can happen all too frequently; people respond to a situation based on their past experiences, not always realizing that the other person is doing just the same thing. This often can lead to conflict. Hopefully this situation can be used as an example of the need to clarify and improve race relations here in the United States.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Jul 09
Actually he wasn't arrested for domestic disturbance in his own home. He was arrested because he followed the officer OUT of his home and caused a big disturbance outside. The incident was good as over when the officer left the house. This guy got himself arrested by not letting it go. I agree that some black people learn to hate or fear police. I firsthand saw a black mother tell her 4 year old child that a police officer would arrest him if he wouldn't be quiet in the library. She then asked the officer to tell her son he'd be arrested if he didn't behave. The officer refused and told the boy that he doesn't arrest kids, and that it's his job to help people. The mother then yelled at the officer for not doing what she wanted him to. He made it very clear he was not going to teach her child to fear police. Either way, I think police need to treat everyone the same. If he used "kiddie gloves" with this professor because he was black, it would be both racist and demeaning. As it was, the officer followed procedure to the T. If the man had shown his drivers license immediately, the whole episode would have lasted 5 seconds. That man KNEW he broke into his own house. I had to break into my house once and knew full well how suspicious I looked. If a police officer had shown up I would have kindly explained what happened and showed him my license.
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• United States
23 Jul 09
Thank you for your comment chedvah. Its nice to get another opinion here. I think it is odd that the man who arrested him is an expert at the police acadmeny on racial profiling, and teaches other officers how to avoid it. I think the man should have just pulled out his DL and shown the officers, and not gotten belligerent with them. They would have arrested him, black...white...yellow...orange...or purple with that attitude. I read somewhere else where someone said that they couldn't believe that the man had been arrested for domestic disturbance in his own home. Does that mean that we are above the law in our own homes?