Census Workers deaths

@JodiLynn (1417)
United States
September 24, 2009 1:01pm CST
Maybe you have seen the small blips on TV about 51 yr old Bill Sparkman being lynched in Kentucky, with the word FED carved on his chest, maybe you haven't. This crime speaks volumes... Or perhaps you recall (June 12 2009)the death of Dorothy Stewart (71 yrs old), in Brown County Indiana, she was torn apart by a pack of dogs, and the people who were inside the house, THREE FEET AWAY, did NOTHING to help her. (they should die in a similar fashion, IMO, preferably their own dogs too.) OUT OF CONTROL... Why can't people simply say "No thanks, I do not wish to participate."? Is killing people, (mostly retired folks) for simply doing their job, suddenly OK, so long as you hate the sitting administration?
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@speakeasy (4215)
• United States
24 Sep 09
What the people who do these things do not seem to understand is that people like Bill Sparkman are NOT the government. Bill Sparkman did not form or influence goverment policies in any way. He was simply a man trying to earn a living and trying to get by in our world today; just like the people who murdered him. This is just another type of persecution of a minority group. In this case, it was a "government employee"; but, it could just as easily have been: an elderly person, a woman, a gay person, a black person, an illegal immigrant, an obese person, etc. Targeting a person because of the company (US Government) they work for is just another form of bigotry and it accomplishes nothing!
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@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
24 Sep 09
I couldn't agree with you more. Well said, and Thank you.
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• United States
24 Sep 09
Jodi, this is an interesting question. I am sure that you will find some people that have no problem with someone doing this. I remember when they were talking about the census, there were people on here talking about not doing it, and lying to the people going door to door. This does say a lot about our country, and the whole country needs to look at the places where these acts happen, and bring them into the real world.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
25 Sep 09
"I am sure that you will find some people that have no problem with someone doing this." Great, then you should have no problem either, so point me to one person.
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@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
25 Sep 09
I don't think she's allowed to, but I can guess one of them (with my own name for them)....backwoods barbie ... am I right? I'm going to go look for that old string of posts....
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@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
25 Sep 09
www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2022098.aspx
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@p1kef1sh (45648)
25 Sep 09
Reading through this thread is incredibly disturbing. Americans appear to be frightened of their own shadows. Not everyone is out to get you. You can invite people into your house and they won't murder or rape you. All it requires is a sense of judgement. There is no doubt that murdering anybody is outrageous, someone just doing their job makes it more so. Maybe the Government/State agencies ought to prepare their people better for their work if it involves visiting the public at their homes. But then again, maybe the public should stop running scared every time an official appears on the horizon. Actually I suspect most don't. But one or two cases are bound to be highlighted when they are this awful.
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@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
25 Sep 09
Yes, it is paranoia. on a mass scale, and it's not only hillbillies and ruffians. The ones profiting from it all are considered "prophets" amongst them, glenn beck, rush limbough etc...news is entertainment here (in the US), not always factual but engaging, as good entertainment should be. I refuse to be scared by a head counter. Can't imagine why I would be to begin with though...
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@Maggiepie (7821)
• United States
25 Sep 09
[b]It is not paranoia when they really are after you, & the PTBs currently in D.C. have loudly declared ordinary, peaceful citizens & returning vets to be "Un-American extremist enemies of the state." Keep your powder dry, my fellow "radicals." Your Founders knew that government is a natural enemy to freedom, which is why the Constitution is there--to reign it in, to help us fight back peacefully. But Obama, our Liar-In-Chief is shredding the Constitution, & the census is being misused. No, I will never condone murdering anyone, but I fully understand why this has brought out the crazies in all fringe elements, which I challenge you to find more than a handful of--if that much!--among the millions of PEACEFUL Tea Party goers et al. Maggiepie "WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]
@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
25 Sep 09
who is after you and why?
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@laglen (19783)
• United States
24 Sep 09
I guess I am not really sure what you are trying to say. I dont believe it is EVER ok to sit by and watch somebody die. I dont care if that person is young old, a minority, a homosexual, it doesnt matter. Human life is too valuable.
@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
24 Sep 09
This was a post looking for commentary on the political climate of the USA. and no, it's not ever OK to sit back and watch some one die.
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• United States
24 Sep 09
While I do not advocate violence....I took a few minuates to do a little research on this. Dorothy Steward happened in 2000, almost ten years ago. Yes it is tragic. Yes the people should have helped her. But she also should not have disreguarded the numerous "beware of dogs" signs and "no trepassing" signs that were up in the driveway and going up to the house. Poeple don't put those signs up for no reason you know. SO I would say both sides are to blame on that one. As for this newest incident. Well the census is not even suppost to start til next year so why are they going door to door now? "The Census has suspended door-to-door interviews in rural Clay County, where the body was found, pending the outcome of the investigation." Once again...why are they going door to door now. They are only suppost to do a personal follow up on people who don't return their paper form they get in the mail. Sense those forms have not been mailed out yet why are they doing it? I think it is a shame the man was killed. I hope they catch who ever did it and they pay for it. But with emotions running so high right now int his country over the census and ACORNs involvement...well if I were them I would not do door to doors at all. NOt jsut because of the people mad at the government but there are bad people out there that will do bad things to anyone for any reason and you never know who is going to answer the door when you knock on it (on boht sides). Door to door anything sales, census, anything like that is dangerous. Personally if someone shows up at my house from the census I won't open my door. Why? Becuase I will fill out what I want the government to know on the form I get in the mail. Two. How do I know they are from the census? Well after I open the door it is a little late if they are jsut someone using that excuse to get peole to open their doors. So I wil treat them like I do every door to door salesman and the Jehovah's Witnesses people who are forever knocking on my door ....I will ignore them.
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• United States
24 Sep 09
The census takers are just doing their jobs. Right now they are surveying, verifying addresses. The bulk of the census information gathering will happen next year, but there is work being done now. People should be more respectful to the census employees, they are working a crappy temporary job, and certainly they should be more careful with their animals.
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@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
24 Sep 09
I'd invite them in for a chat, but that's me, and we don't get many stranger drop ins, EXCEPT for the god squads! I will fill out my required questionnaire when I receive it, too. I guess I have to wonder what it is that people are doing that is so bad they have to hide it, hide out, or hide in. The implication is that it's something unlawful, shameful or repugnant. This level of paranoia should be medically treated.
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• United States
24 Sep 09
I respect your opinion....but I think inviting someone in your house you don't even know is just asking for something bad to happen. You are wayyyy too trusting. There are bad people out there and they do bad things. Most people think nothing will ever happen to them. I am sure a lot of the people killed thought the same thing too. YOu can't be too careful when it comes to allowing complete strangers in teh house. Even if they say they work for the gov. That does not make them good people...it just means they have a job for the gov. Heck it would be a great job for a pedophile to get. GO see the parents find out information on them. Find out the number of kids in the hosue and their ages. map out the area. see how the house is laid out. The gov only checks for convicted poeple. That means the ones that have gotten caught. Do you think every pedophile in the country have been caught at least once and put in the files? I am sure there are a lot out there who have not been caught yet and no one knows what monsters they really are. Which means they apply for the gov. job they get it. Heck I lived in a state once that had a guy acting like a police officer. Pulling women over and then killing them. Too a while to catch him. The women probly thought oh it's a cop I am ok to pull over on this deserted street. After all I can trust a cop. Now that I have scared everyone into never opening their door or stopping for a cop again...LOL I think I will go. Before I was a stay a home mom I was a forensic serologist. I saw a lot of people whose only mistake was being too trusting and you know where I meet them? At the morgue.
@coolcoder (2022)
• United States
24 Sep 09
This is really disturbing to me, as my dad is working with the Census Bureau now. There is no excuse for harming these workers, I don't care who's occupying the White House, and those who do harm them should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. My sympathies go out to the families of the victims.
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@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
24 Sep 09
Please make sure your Dad has some sort of protection from these wackos! I wonder if the FBI has any suspects yet? If and when they catch this person, they should be held up as an example in the courts.
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@kprofgames (2906)
• United States
24 Sep 09
I read about Bill Sparkman and there is this air of hush, hush all around it. The news clip I read says that his friend knew what he was doing and said "be careful" while I read another responder that FOX news says his retired police officer friend knew nothing about what he was doing. Not, that I trust anything I read or see on the news anymore, but it sure does have conflicting stories. I think there is a state of paranoid going on and if he was looked on as being a threat then they took care if it in their own way. Seriously the wrong way but the alarm factor here is that it happened. I don't know even how to respond to the people that watched this poor woman being attached by those dogs. The mantality of people to day just scares me because it is me, myself and I all the way.
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@mommyboo (13212)
• United States
27 Sep 09
Well... I started reading some of the responses and comments and while it is certainly not acceptable for these murders to happen, people do have the right to be suspicious of strangers coming to their doors. I don't like it when strangers come to MY door. I don't have a front yard fence with a gate or a bunch of dogs, just a peephole on my door. Unless I'm expecting company, I really don't enjoy answering the door unless it's UPS or Fed Ex, more often than not I hope my son - who is 18 and about 6 feet tall answers, or my husband, both of them are much more menacing and intimidating than me. I don't quite understand the whole idea behind the census anyway. What does the government accomplish by doing this? I have no issue with disclosing the number of people who live in our home, but I bristle at the idea of sharing any more information with the government, such as our ages, occupations, our relationship(s) to each other. I know SOME of that information is included on census forms. I received a phone call once from a census person about 10 years ago and they ask a LOT of questions. How am I to know if those are all legal questions to ask or not? Apparently they had mailed me a form which I either never received or tossed in the junk mail trash and they called to follow up. I would never hurt someone who came to my door asking census questions, but neither would I invite them in, and I likely wouldn't answer the majority of the questions either. I simply do not feel it is their business 'their business' meaning the US government for whom they work. Personally I have no problem with them.
@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
27 Sep 09
What the census does is this -counts all people, for accurate population numbers -Federal law prohibits the sharing of all information, and IS constitutionally legal - populations numbers are used to determine Congressional seats, and county/state representatives. Also, what community services may be required, and to distribute federal funds to local, state and tribal governments. Funds for roads, bridges and other infrastructure necessities are allocated based on census numbers. Services for the elderly and our public schools are planned through these numbers also. A reasonable person would have no problem with this REQUIRED head count. I've always thought the best way to understand is to look at real estate sites that break down communities in a pie chart, categories such as ethnic, educational, professional, & Income levels of towns/ neighborhoods. That is essentially what the census does, on a much larger scale. more info at : www.2010census.gov
@Eisenherz (2913)
• Portugal
26 Sep 09
Wow, I had no idea things went this far over something as simple as census? I really do not what to think over those macabre deaths over such little matters, I guess it's true when people say that everything can really happen. But what exactly makes this turn the issue so deep to the point were people are murdered over this? Why don't people say that refusing line you've mentioned? Fear of being caught over illegal issues or what? Appreciate if you could shed some light on the matter.
@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
27 Sep 09
I've insinuated that these types are doing SOMETHING illegal, but I can completely understand those that feel their right to privacy is being diminished. Sorry I can't shed any more light than that.