Is Owner of "President or Jihad" Billboard RACIST?

@anniepa (27238)
United States
December 8, 2009 12:05pm CST
Phil Wolf, the owner of an auto dealership in Wheat Ridge, Colo., has posted a billboard, which you can see by clicking on the link that follows, that reads "President or Jihad?" and pictures President Obama wearing a turban. :http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/owner-of-president-or-jihad-billboard-obama-is-an-anti-christian.php Wolf says he doesn't believe President Obama is an American citizen and that's he's anti-Christian. He had previously had a billboard asking "Where's the Birth Certificate" which he replaced with this newest one which also reads in the bottom corner, ""Wake up America! Remember Ft. Hood!" MY question is, is Wolf a concerned American citizen or a RACIST? Would you consider buying a car from him if you lived in the area and were in the market for what he's offering? Annie
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@Rollo1 (16686)
• Boston, Massachusetts
8 Dec 09
There's an intriguing bit of reality that sort of cuts through the racist accusations that we've heard over the past ten months. Ten months ago, Obama had a 70% approval rating. Those who didn't support him were called racists. Today he has a pathetically low 47% approval rating. This means that it took millions of Americans ten full months to realize that Obama is black. To my knowledge, Islam is a religion - not a race. Jihad is war on the infidel, or those who are not muslim - because just the act of not being muslim is enough to make you the enemy to a radical extremist muslim. My take on this is that this Wolf thinks that Obama is a muslim and an extremist as well. Others believe there's no credible proof that Obama is a muslim. I have noticed that when it comes to politics, people often choose the most extreme and emotionally charged statement they can find to stir people's interest, ire or support for their issue. I guess the latest example would be Harry Reid comparing those who oppose the health care reform to those who resisted the ending of slavery. Of course, Reid can show no credible proof that the Republicans resisting health care reform are in favor of slavery - the simple fact being that it was the Democrats who fought ending slavery. I really don't see the difference between making this sort of allegation on a billboard or stating it on the floor of the Senate.
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• United States
14 Dec 09
Rollo1 - Thanks for being the voice of reason!
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
8 Dec 09
The guy seems like a moron and a nut to me, but I don't think I would pull racist out of this. Obama is black, half-black for those that prefer specifics. Nothing on these billboards seems directed at him being black. They are directed at the belief that he's a muslim or some secret sleeper muslim terrorist. No, I would NEVER buy a car from this guy. I wouldn't even go near his dealership.
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• United States
8 Dec 09
Thanks Taskr36 for pointing out a very obvious difference.. I honestly cannot understand why all Obama devotees always have to revert to calling every person who does not love and adore Obama a racist. This is such an obvious incorrect use of the word racist. I am quite sure there must be some Obama fans who are beyond calling racist all the time and have the intelligence to think of new slur to cast at the non-believers.
@poingly (606)
• United States
9 Dec 09
Well, the question is if Obama was a white man with a Kenyan father, would this car dealer have the same feeling about him? I wonder if he thinks McCain is also not an American?
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
9 Dec 09
I'm sure you are aware that there are many people who also questioned McCain's citizenship. Of course such questions were both ridiculous and offensive since he was born on American soil to two American parents, one of whom served in the armed forces. Nobody called those conspiracy theorists racist.
@dloveli (4369)
• United States
14 Dec 09
It sounds like he has some racist qualities about him. However, all he wanted was publicity, negative or positive, didnt matter. Now everyone is curious to see who this guy is. Why there here, can I show you a car? He achieved exactly what he set out to do. Cause a stir and make people curious. He did that. I think that Mr. Wolfe is an inconsiderate man. He used racism to sell cars. Whether or not he is racist isnt really as important as the fact that he used it to sell cars. He made money of of racism. Enough said. He took a big chance. Not many do. Now people are curious to see who too this chance and spoke out against our president. He certainly knows how to attract attention if nothing else. What we ought to do is ignore him. You know what People are naturally curious. They wont let it be ignored. If We didnt play into so many news events, they would go away without hurting anyone. People dont let it happen that way. Happy MyLotting dl
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
21 Dec 09
There are so many people these days becoming famous - or maybe "infamous" is more appropriate- for acting like idiots. Unfortunately, the people always eat it right up and so the media covers these nuts nonstop. Annie
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@dloveli (4369)
• United States
21 Dec 09
How right your are, once again Annie. I blame everyone who reads it. Even me. If we dont read it, we are showing them that we are not allowing ourselves to be sucked into the rumors, drama, lies, etc. I bet you if people stopped, the behaviors would stop as well. I tell my kids all the time dont play into rumors or hearsay. By creating that billboard the person wanted his name to be known. He got what he wanted. We are talking about him on a very successful site, MyLot. He got his 5 minutes of fame. dl
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• Elkin, North Carolina
10 Dec 09
I don't think that Obama is a Muslim or really anti-Christian; I just think he is trying way to hard to please everyone at the cost of making the traditional ideals of the American people look ridiculous and outdated. He's bending over backwards to apologize to everyone we have ever offended for being Americans. I do not think this man is a racist, but he does make the people who oppose the policies of our President look quite ignorant.
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
20 Dec 09
What "traditional ideals of the American people" do you think he is making "look ridiculous and outdated"? We are not a nation that tortures, we are not a nation, or were not a nation, that starts wars preemptively, we are a nation that respects ALL religious faiths, including none at all and we once were a nation who believed in taking care of our own, as in providing quality, affordable health care to all. Annie
• Elkin, North Carolina
20 Dec 09
The ideals I am referring to are pride in our country and respect for the men and women who have sacrificed everything to make it possible for him to even be President. Regardless of what people think and what has happened in this country, it is still the greatest country ever. I do not agree with torture or discriminating against someone because of their religious faith. However, forgive me if I don't agree with everyone who believes differently. It's getting to the point that someone is looked down upon for disagreeing with someone because of their beliefs. Someone says to be tolerant of everyone. Tolerance doesn't mean that you have to agree with everything, it just means that you accept people, no matter what your beliefs are, but I don't have to be quiet or not be vocal about my beliefs just because it may be offensive to someone. That's the great thing about this country. Obama is our President and I respect his position as such, however, I do not agree with him going around to some of our biggest enemies (some of which are quite vocal about their ill will toward us) and basically apologize for offending them. He needs to have the courage to stand up for our country in the face of our enemies, which I have yet to see.
@matersfish (6311)
• United States
8 Dec 09
Hmm. I suppose there are two ways to look at this if asking the "racist" question: One, Obama's considered African-American. Two, most people project all Muslims to be Middle Eastern -- whatever "race" they're considered to be (Asian, I thought, but I don't make PC standards so maybe there's another acceptable racial term). I personally don't see the racism. We've already been over the Obama criticism stuff. Nearly everything said about the man is called "racist" by someone in the world. But his being black has nothing to with being called a jihadist or vice versa. So, a jihadist would be a radical Muslim. Okay. Islam is a religion, not a race. This one loses me. If someone throws a bone in his nose, dresses him up in tribal gear and asks the question, "President or Witch Doctor," then I can see the racism -- much like one of those moron's signs from earlier in the year. But if someone thinks comparing someone with a radical Muslim jihadist is "racist," they may need to check up on their own hidden feelings of "races" and who they label to be what.
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• United States
9 Dec 09
I just really want to know if you watched the video in the link, its an interview with Wolf where he makes the statement that us being more tolerant of other cultures makes us weaker as a country in his opinion. Annie may gave used a wrong word, but my question is can you deny that this man Wolf is predjudice?
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• United States
9 Dec 09
Watched it. What's racist about it? Explain it to me if you see it. The guy's ignorant. Seems like a bigot to some extent, and is definitely off his rocket posting the sign. But if you want to label someone as a "racist," the evidence needs to point toward him being intolerant of someone's race. Culture and religion is not race.
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@urbandekay (18312)
8 Dec 09
I don't know if he is racist but he is certainly ignorant all the best urban
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• United States
9 Dec 09
You are very lucky if you do not have any ignorant people in the UK.
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@urbandekay (18312)
10 Dec 09
There are ignorant people everywhere, in some places, however, they make a virtue of ignorance. all the best urban
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@irishidid (8714)
• United States
8 Dec 09
Certifiable maybe. Obama isn't worth even thinking of doing anything desperate to yourself or anyone else. Obama will end up being the laughing stock of America and I'm looking forward to being here when that happens. I'll try not to say I told you so.
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
11 Dec 09
LOL...I'll BET you'll try just as hard "not to say I told you so" as I did to those who thought George W. Bush was the second coming and the only one who could protect us! Annie
@dloveli (4369)
• United States
8 Dec 09
Mr. Wolfe is an idiot! That's what he is. Regardless of how he feels about the president, Muslams, war, or anything else for that matter is of no concern to the rest of us. What about the children who see that and are sucked in just because they are riding in a car with their parents. How fair is that? Talk about forcing your beliefs on someone. Hes a wacko. Dont feed into his billboards or weird beliefs. We should question his birth certificate. dl
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@Aingealicia (1906)
• United States
9 Dec 09
Annie, You are going to make me look like I support the man here...LOL. Phil Wolf is wrong. We are a United Nation if anything and we should not tolerate this crap about our President no matter who we support. Yes we know about the tuban, we saw it before he was nominated as President. How can we forget about Ft. Hood? Just like we can forget 9-11. I think not. I don't care for Obama but I will defend him if I see wrong doings towards him. Ainge
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@Revan2009 (469)
8 Dec 09
Sounds to me like that man is a paranoid schizophrenic. I just like those in the area to be extremely cautious when buying a car from him, if possible take your massive dog with you, wear bullet proof vests when approaching him, don't forget the masks and of course make sure you talk like him. If you're Muslim just call the police, I promise you he's going to chase you and try to shoot you with his Abrams tank and then blame it on the KKK. That man is taking things way way way toooo far: Obama wouldn't have been a candidate if he wasn't an American - according to what I read. I can sympathize with those that feel Obama shouldn't be President or that he is currently not doing what he had first promised... if you don't feel he can't be trusted for breaking any promise then don't vote for him in the next Presidential elections.
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@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
8 Dec 09
It doesn't sound like racism, just your run-of-the-mill conspiracy theorist. Assuming he had good deals on his cars, I'd buy from him. Frankly I think the birther crowd is mostly harmless. Assuming he's not advocating harm towards Americans who have immigrated from the middle east, or muslims in general, I wouldn't see a need to boycott him.
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• United States
8 Dec 09
Stupid...yes. Racist? No. He believes it and he put a billboard. That is his right. Heck I see pro-life and pro-choice bill boards all the time. Both are an opinion. A lot of people will either agree or disagree with those as well. Personally I don't buy into the whole birth certificate thing. But if he does that is his right. But it is dumb to mix politics with his business. It make cost him sales. But it is his choice. People are allowed to make stupid decisions. Or at least we have that right to make our own stupid decisions for now anyway.
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• United States
8 Dec 09
Yes I would buy a car from this man as regardless what his political statement is he is honest about his feeling and an honest car dealer is hard to find.
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
8 Dec 09
Interesting perspective. Honest care dealers ARE very hard to find.
8 Dec 09
He maybe honest (I hope), but does he know what he's talking about? LOL Just make sure he doesn't think you're Muslim, otherwise things could get very nasty and your opinion will change from honest old man to crazy old man.
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
9 Dec 09
What makes you so sure he's honest? Annie
@wlee9696 (595)
• United States
8 Dec 09
Why would you ask if he is a racist? Does being anti- Obama mean you are racist? Did anything on the billboard mention race? The guy is expressing his opinion - that is a right we have here in American. If you don't agree with the president it doesn't make you a racist. Did disagreeing with George Bush make you a racist? I would buy a car from him - his political views have nothing to do with his business. Using your assumption that if you don't like Obama then you are a racist is the same as saying black Americans only voted for Obama because of the color of his skin. Obama supporters need to support his policies not his skin color - because judging a man because of the color of his skin in racism. Voting for someone because of the color of their skin is just as racist and voting against someone because of the color of their skin. We need to stick with the issues and policies that we support or are against - I don't think the billboard had anything to do with race. I also think people sometimes forget that the Obama is half- black and half-white.
• United States
9 Dec 09
I just want to know if you watched the video in the link, it is an interview of Wolf, and you really should watch the video in my opinion
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
10 Dec 09
The reason I asked the question and the reason many others were asking the question is because of the picture of Obama wearing a turban. Did nobody even notice that or what? I've never said that anyone who doesn't like Obama is a racist but isn't it possible to disagree with him and express that disagreement without a picture like that? Annie
@wlee9696 (595)
• United States
10 Dec 09
I saw the turban - Obama has been seen wearing turbans before when he went to Africa. Seeing the turban didn't make me make the jump to racism. A turban to me is not a symbol of racism. In the picture I also noted Obama was black - still didn't make that leap to racism. The guy doesn't like Obama so he put up a billboard. It in no way references or has any racial slurs or overtones. So far we still have the right in America to express our opinions. If I was so opposed to the billboard then I wouldn't buy cars from the guy. To insinuate that the guy is racist is a major leap and an unfair accusation based on what I saw.
@andy77e (5165)
• United States
10 Dec 09
First, yes I would absolutely consider buying a car from him. Why not? When you shop for a car, do you really asking people about their personal views on politics before you buy? "Hi! I want to buy your Chevy Camero, but first I need to know how voted in the last election and how much money you donated to the DNC" Sorry, but politics doesn't have that much influence on my daily life, and I think I would feel sorry for someone for which it did. Life is too short to live it all for politics. Second, what does any of that have to do with race? Are turbans considered racist now? Or is this yet another attempt by the left to consider anyone who isn't longing to bear his children, a racist?
@anniepa (27238)
• United States
15 Dec 09
No, I've never asked what anyone's political views were before buying a car from them but then again I've never bought a car from someone who has purchased space on a billboard of this kind. I guess those of you who have corrected my use of the word are right and I should have said "prejudiced" instead of "racist". However, I'm not alone in making that mistake. You ended your response with, "Or is this yet another attempt by the left to consider anyone who isn't longing to bear his children, a racist?" Where is something like that even coming from? If I'm correct in assuming you're a male (and I'm sorry if I'm wrong!) and a conservative, how would you like it if I asked if you were longing to get Sarah Palin pregnant? Annie
@andy77e (5165)
• United States
19 Dec 09
Well of course you are not alone in making that mistake. There are dozens people out there who have invested interest in making political opponents out to be this that or the other. They are still all wrong. That said, I'm not sure if prejudice would be any better. Are you claiming that after screwing up the economy with a trillion dollar stealfromus package, continuing a bank bailout, extending it to cover buying into banks and even auto companies, bloating the national deficit to 1.4 Trillion, and trying to cram a gov-care bill down our throats... all are not grounds for judgment? Prejudice, is pre-judgment. That's where you judge someone before, or without facts. Seems to me we have a heck of a lot of facts to go on for a basis of judgment, and not one of them good. "Something like that" is coming straight from people like you who automatically claim that anyone anywhere, who doesn't support Obama must be a "racists". Simply because someone decides to excirses their freedom of speach, you attack them with "RACIST!" and start posting discussions on Mylott asking loaded questions like "do you think he's racists? Would you buy a car from him?" How would you like it if I started posting on another forum "Do you think Annie is a crazy hippie girl who claims everyone who doesn't support her chosen elected official is racists? Would you buy a car from someone as judgmental and closed minded as Annie?" Well of course not, which is why I don't post discussions like that, but apparently you do. See, you are not debating the merits of what he said, but rather attacking him personally. Then you get defensive when that's pointed out. Unfortunately, the question doesn't work real well flipped around. I wouldn't be offended at all since the answer is no. I have no interest in a married women.
• United States
9 Dec 09
I would have used the word prejudice or ignorant, not necessarily racist. This man is a quack, a dumb peace of work that just, gosh I don't even know how to put into words just how crazy and crazy this man is, and the statement that he made, this one statement that this Wolf makes drips with ignorance and INTOLERANCE, and prejudice, wolfs statement that "Obama's teling the world that we should be more tolerant, that we should be more like them, in other words,"...and in the video, Wolf is asked outright if being more tolerant of other cultures makes us weaker as a country, if that is his opinion, and his response "I believe that it is". This man is prejudiced against Muslims, its disgusting, this man is scum because he does not understand how many wonderful and good people are out there that are Muslim, and he just spits on them because he thinks it makes us weaker to accept their culture. There is more to the world than religion, there are people, there are children, there are lives, there are tears, there is more than enough bloodshed, but instead of trying to make peace, Wolf thinks that being tolerant makes us weak. Well I think the opposite, I think being tolerant makes us stronger because it means we are not a hateful, spiteful, ignorant country. Unlike him.