oh I have a death wish about rules!!

@Hatley (164755)
Garden Grove, California
March 1, 2010 5:53pm CST
I am now totally convinced that some new people have a sort of death like wish to break the rules just for seeingif they can do it and not be caught. I really thought that now all the newones knew that lets play a game is a sure way to make a discussion that will be deleted but no I just saw one. like a good samaritan I told the mylot friend that it breaks a mylot rule and will be deleted. my question is why do seemingly intelligent people wish to break rules and have discussions deleted? Inquiring minds are asking this? your take?
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@mysdianait (64064)
• Italy
2 Mar 10
I just saw that one too Hatley and saw that once again you had taken time out to tell the user thatthey are at fault There seems to be a new breed of 'let's join myLot and make up our own rules' type of users. They are getting to be very tiresone too. Maybe they think myLot is just like all the other forums out there. Well it's NOT and that's why it keeps going strong. We want to keep it like that so we will het them to tow the line or move on - their choice
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• United States
2 Mar 10
You know what I have noticed more lately, too? Newer users complaining quite rudely when we try to help them out and explain the guidelines and TOS to them. I mean, some have always complained that they did not know the guidelines and TOS or did not take the time to read them. Mostly they were not rude about it, although some were, but mostly they just claimed ignorance of the guidelines and TOS. However, lately I have seen a lot more of the newer users complaining that the "older" users are trying to boss them around and tell them what they can and can't do like we (I am guessing that by now I fall into the "older", as in more experienced, category) own the site. They keep preaching that it is a public forum, and they can do and type whatever they want, and we need to just accept it. Then, when their discussions are deleted (like we tried to tell them they would be), they claim that it is just a conspiracy of "us" versus "them".
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Mar 10
hi purple I noticed that too, they seem to making us out the bad guys cause we cared about all those discussions that will automantically be deleted so now we are too bossy and trying to'run mylot, then when they do get a lot of discussions deleted they refuse ' to believe we were not the bad guys. this is sort of silly and blindsided as they just hurt themselves. we had nothng to do with it.
@prasunsam (359)
• India
2 Mar 10
Yes some people do tend to break the rules.I think its their natural instinct may be that's why they do like that but we can't stop them do we.I think its up to their personal choice.Regarding this platform,yes sometimes discussions and comments do get deleted when people try to cross the lines but its right also.
@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Mar 10
prasunsam if we had no rules at allit would be bedlam, some rules are needed almost anyplace. we can report them when we see they have broken rules, we are asked to help mylot admins go that. but first explain what they did wrong and give them a chance to obey the rules. W hat I am trying to say is if you know the rules, why breakthem, you just lose all your time and earnings. why do that?
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@dawnald (84131)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Mar 10
I saw one too... Maybe: 1. to be lazy 2. to see what they can get away with I don't know.
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• Australia
2 Mar 10
Or maybe they want something that doesn't require thought or logical response - something quick and easy?
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Mar 10
hi I was just thinking if mylot did allow those game discussions we would be so confused ith trying to play all these odd games we would not even'know what the heck we were doing. I can really see why mylot does not want discussions like that.
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@dawnald (84131)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Mar 10
I did one myself early on, but it got deleted, somebody told me why, never tried that one again. :-)
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@dragon54u (31608)
• United States
2 Mar 10
They don't know the rules because they don't bother to read the rules. They see what they think is a quick way to earn some cash and they jump right in without regard to what myLot says is right or wrong. See, many people think the internet is theirs. They don't realize that every site is someone's living room and that someone has the say over what happens on their property, they just think the whole web is a playground. They have no regard for anyone else's needs but theirs.
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@dragon54u (31608)
• United States
2 Mar 10
Thanks! That has been a pet peeve of mine but typical of the younger generation that has been raised to have everything they want, right away, never mind the cost and if you don't have the money buy it on credit. They want everything, right now, with no work (reading the rules) and no sacrifice. The net's the same way for them. Well, I loved being able to rant about this! Thanks, dear Hatley!
@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Mar 10
hi dragon54u you are most welcome and it was a thoroughly good rant too he he he.
@GardenGerty (96657)
• Marion, Kansas
2 Mar 10
Being charitable, I would say that perhaps they do not understand what a "game" discussion is. I did not, for a long time, but I did not start them, because they are boring. I also might guess that English is their second language, but not always. Sometimes it may be habit, because they do it on other forums and they just automatically do it here without thinking. Without thinking may be the key here. They want to earn automatically, without thinking. I have considered writing a discussion about how to guarantee your discussion will get deleted, but I have never done so yet. It also boils down to the belief that the more responses you get, the more you earn. It just is not that way here, and so the game posts are totally unnecessary. We keep on telling them, and either they comply or go bye bye.
@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Mar 10
hi gardengerty I would love to read that discussion if you did make it, knowing your ability to write really well. yes thats a distinct possibility to that they do not engage their brains 'and think it will be popular and get a lot of responses. What a lot of people still think is that they have got to get a ton of responses to make a lot of money, forgetting that they did 'not post those responses.Although a lotof us have tried to get it into people's heads that you do not get paid if you do not post something. You do get paid if you do post something.
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@bounce58 (17524)
• Canada
2 Mar 10
I guess, same as in real life, there are people who are bound to be like this. To see how far they can get away with breaking the rules. I know it's futile, so I try to avoid this discussion. But I appreciate people like you Hatley that take the time to educate these newbies. For what it's worth, I think you are doing more good than harm.
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Mar 10
hi bounce I hope so, hope they realize I am only thinking that'if they know what not to do they will make more earnings, and enjoy'being here and not feeling like mylot is picking on them. If you know what not to do, then you are free to make almost anything into a discussion or respond or comment to things and just have fun
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• South Africa
2 Mar 10
Well Hatley.... where to start is the real question. You answered it yourself though 'seemingly intellegent'. Answer - These people are simply not. atleast not in the sense that they care about anyone other than themselves and perhaps drawing attention to themselves. People can be so fickle. We would like to believe that we are all basically "good" - but i'd have to say i'm a bit of a cynic when it comes to that statement. Stranger or no - how do you respest your fellow human beings when they act with no consideration for others!
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Mar 10
hi candyhugo yes seemingly intelligent people, but I guess they are not always intelligent enough to see that obeying the rules make mylot more pleasant and much more fun as nobody will be moaning about having stuff deleted or not earning any thing either.
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• Canada
2 Mar 10
Thanks for the advice earlier on pointing out all the rules. I'm fairly new to mylot and when I am in mylot responding to various discussions I occasionally will miss going over my response I just left. I try to respond to good, quality discussions and try to start quality discussions as well.
• Australia
2 Mar 10
They don't bother to read the rules - just rush in, try all the "immediate" thoughts like favourite this and that, and before they've even spent an hour here, it is "Why can't we have ....... like FB and MS have?" It is always someone new to myLot who wants chat rooms, polls, chain email quizzes, "add yours" etc. The idea of "discussion" is a novelty to some. Why? Well, for many it is just laziness. For some it would be familiarity with another site and expecting the same here. With all, it is a matter of not reading the rules. Didn't GoAskAlice say newbies would receive an email with the guidelines? I wonder if that is happening? If so, they have no excuse whatever.
@rosekiss (30284)
• Eugene, Oregon
2 Mar 10
Apparently they didn't rad the rules, or if they did, they didn't care. I must have missed the discussion, and like you, I probably would have told them as well, that it would get deleted. It seems the more we tell newbies, the rules, the more that they don't listen, and they just keep breadking them. I just hope that one of these days, they will read the rules before they start posting, so as avoid all the hassle of having it deleted. They are are just wasting their time psoting one that will get deleted anyway. I will continue to help others knowing full well, my respone will get deleted right awlong with the dicussion. Good luck to you, and happy mylotting.
@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Mar 10
hi rosekiss yes thats the opinion I was starting to get. I warned 'this person as I have see him make some really great discussions and felt maybe he had just forgotten the rules. I think it would be an utter disaster if mylot admins had let us post lets play a game, as the traffic would be so heavy and a lot of really thoughtfull discussions might never get read.The older people might have a hissy fit and the younger ones would never answer any discussion unless it was a lets play a game. there are places for that stuff but not on mylot. I also will continue to help as some might really listen and save themselves from losing money and postings.
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@pyewacket (44036)
• United States
2 Mar 10
Well as predicted that discussion was deleted. Sometimes I think it's just a plain case of people not reading all the guidelines when they join up, and even though I'm an "oldie" here I continue to check them out in case any new guideline has slipped in.
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Mar 10
hi pyewacket yes I was pretty sure it would be and mylot is getting quicker at deleting things too. I would think anyone wanting to make discussions and posting would want to know all the latest rules so he or she would not lose any discussions or posting, also would have more fun and make more money. I have had to refresh my own mind as there have been some changes.It never hurts to read them as we are getting changes now. So far I have never goofed and got a discussion deleted though I have purposely answered discussions I knew had broken a rule as I could see the person was really new, and hoped to help them understand the reason and the rule better.
• Canada
2 Mar 10
I don't know, but I've often wondered about the same thing myself. I think these people are nuts. I don't agree with all of the rules on here, but I have figured out little ways to either get around them, or do what I want to do on here without specifically breaking them.
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Mar 10
hi danishcanadian yes me too, but we can be creative and still not break the rules. I have though about the lets play a game and that might get really cluttered up and confusing, and ultimately be a a pain in the patootey if they had let us make lets play a game 'discussions. I am sure mylot admins really thought about some of the rules before they made them, and yes there are a few I have not agreed with but I just thought that they were seeing problems I had not thought of.
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@RangaGirl (103)
• Australia
3 Mar 10
Hi Hatley. I look like a newcomer but I've been here before. I was never banned - I just closed my account because I didn't have time to come here. It's nice to be back because I missed talking with some of you guys. Could't get my old name back so, here I am, reborn. Piscesmoon by the way. I think I know the rules well enough and will try not to break them. Can't cut and paste though...
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Mar 10
hi welcome back I am sure you do know the rules. I think itsafter two hundred posts you can cut and paste but need to check as do not remember for sure. even older users have to refresh their memories at times and thats as it should be. we all know the rules thing would run more smoothly without newcomer bit#hing about discussions being deleted.
• Australia
14 Mar 10
Thanks, Hatley. Nice to make contact again. I imagine there would be a lot less deleted discussions if people read the rules first. It is not that hard to stay within guidelines.
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Mar 10
hi ranga girl yes it is really easy to read them and stay within them, and plus you do not lose any discussions as you are more careful when 'y you know what to avoid. I have never lost a discussion yet but have lost responses trying to help new people avoid the losses.
• United States
2 Mar 10
Maybe it is just me, but I have noticed a lot more arrogance lately, too. Other users have been saying that as a public forum they can and will post anything that they feel like posting, and the rest of us just have to deal with it. I did not make the guidelines and TOS on here, but when I signed up and started posting I agreed to follow them - just like every other member did as part of the sign-up process. I just do not understand why some members feel that the guidelines and TOS should apply to everyone but them.
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@mysdianait (64064)
• Italy
2 Mar 10
I can see this happening too recently more than in the past. I had one last week who decided to completely ignore the sense of my advice to them and accused me of scolding them when it ws obvious I had done no such thing. [i]I think I am going to come up with a new line every time I drop in to leave advice. Just going to compose it and will add it next time[/i]
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• United States
2 Mar 10
Will the new line be like a disclaimer of sorts? I am anxiously looking forward to seeing what this new line will be!
@gabs8513 (48764)
• United Kingdom
9 Mar 10
Well I really do not bother to say anything any more to be honest if they can not read the rules then they will have to learn the hard way because even if you tell them they won't listen
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Mar 10
hi gabs yes I am beginning to feel that I am wasting my breath as not only do they not read them, they resent us trying to save them from losing their discussions.so if they just blindly accept that then okay just keep on losing discussions. see if I care.
@bunnybon7 (35524)
• Holiday, Florida
8 Mar 10
who knows. its todays strange youth i think. they believe that here they can do the same goofy things they do on myspace and facebook. like games and such. they dont read the rules and frankly i was guilty of breaking them once as i put up a poem and got it deleted oh well, they will either learn or leave. some get discouraged over this. so it could happen iguess
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Mar 10
hi bunnybon7 I think if you do not make the discussion on a poem but weave it in somehow they will not delete it. To me its just sort of silly to not read the rules, get your stuff deleted then blame the older users for trying to help them. cannot win either way.
@dorannmwin (36698)
• United States
4 Mar 10
I know exactly why this is happening. You see, we are all like toddlers on mylot and we wish to see how far that we push the rules before we are punished for it. I think that I did see the discussion that you are talking about and I did see that you told the person that their discussion would most likely be deleted. I didn't take part in that discussion though because a) I knew that it would be deleted and b) There was nothing that I was able to put into it.
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Mar 10
hi dorannmwin yes I looked at it and pondered do I respond and warn the poster thus losing another response or what, I cannot play this game, oh well I just warned them and probably they disliked me for doing so. cannot win.
@GreenMoo (11842)
3 Mar 10
I think there´s allot of people who just don´t read the rules, or who scan them but don´t really take them in. I´m sure they wouldn´t deliberately break them if they understood that in consequence they would have their work deleted and therefore have wasted precious time. It´s good of you to take the time to point these things out to them.
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Mar 10
hi greenmoo i am wondering if they would put them in other languages along with English if there would be fewer people who just did not care to read the rules. some have suggested that the information be put in other languages too.
@paula27661 (15899)
• Australia
3 Mar 10
Yes, I saw it too. It arrived in my inbox and I knew before opening it that it would deleted. It was a blatant break of the rules and I too wondered why…Why do they do it? Maybe they want to see how long it takes before deletion happens. Go figure. I wish everyone was more careful. It sounds as though they just plain don’t care!
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Mar 10
hi paula it baffles me as they either do know it will deleted and just do not care, and will go on doing it until she or he finds three or four discussions have been deleted. then boy will] they complain steadily and accuse us older ones of deliberatly reporting them which is a crock of you know what as mylot admins are mever dummies at all.
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@jesssp (2742)
• Canada
2 Mar 10
People don't read the rules first, I really do think that's what it boils down to. They're in a big hurry to get started and they don't think they need to read the fine print. Then when they are curious about something they think 'hey, I'll just post it as a discussion and then I'll get my answer AND a penny! Win win!'
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@Hatley (164755)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Mar 10
hi jesssp maybe some are like my hubby and instructions,he claims they are just too confusing so he puts things together without bothering to find out how, then he complains that the thing does work right, well he has some pieces left over and I go this way