Alas, home sweet home.

United States
April 13, 2010 9:52am CST
I live in a country where fifteen-year-olds are not only pregnant, but they are packing heat. I live in a country where corporations rule, and one race and religion reign supreme. I live in a country where I could get shot for signaling to someone to put their headlights on. I live in a country where people are dropping dead because they couldn’t afford medical care or medicine. I live in a country where people who fancy themselves “minutemen” shoot dehydrated and famished immigrants. I live in a country where there are nukes-a-plenty, and where the rights of a minority can easily be voted away by the rights of a majority. I live in a country where rape victims are forced to carry their rapists child. I live in a country where people consume toxic poisons either by what they eat, drink, or inhale. I live in a wanton and inhumane country. Thank you, conservative party, for teaching me the dangers of socialism. This is so much better.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
14 Apr 10
Wow, ladybugmagic, I really don't know what brought this on but it seems that you're feeling pretty frustrated today. Can I share some things with you though? I worked for many years at a community college where we had students and staff from all over the world. I worked with a man who is my friend to this day, who was forced by his home country to kill at the age of 14. This still haunts him. I had a staff member who killed to survive, another who was not only discriminated against but attacked and beaten because of his religion, yet another who lived in daily fear of the government in his home country and still fears for the family members who are still there. Yes, this country is not perfect but the world is not perfect either and never will be. While it's true that the rights of the minority can be voted away by the majority, what is also true is that the "majority" is not stangant...it has not remain the same for 100 or even 50 years. I read an interesting article while I was at the V.A. Medical Center with my husband today. Division is a political ploy that has been used for hundreds of years. Whenever either party is not in power, they attack those who are...attempt to block legislation, in some cases legislation they helped write...seek the support of the public by causing them to become irate...paint the majority as dangerous individuals who should be voted out and replaced with members of their party. The situation this country is in right now is not new and neither are the accusations or the frustrations. I don't know if I'm making any sense...
• United States
14 Apr 10
I, for one, think you make excellent sense. The problem is that the liberal party forgets they call the conservative candidates dumb, hitler, cowboy, etc., just as the conservative party forgets they do the same to the liberal candidate. It's called dirty politics. It's also one reason it would be lovely to get everyone out of Washington, D.C. who has turned being elected into a lifetime career. They forget after two terms that they are there for the people, not for the power. Sadly, some forget in their first term.
@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
19 Apr 10
On the button mystic, why is it politicians constantly resort to bad mouthing the opposition, is it because what they intend to do isn't good enough? Miss Magic, I understand you are an atheist, and that you believe there is no proof of the existence of God, there is also no prove that God doesn't exist. For every proof you think He doesn't I have a least too that prove he does, oddly, they could easily be the same "proofs". I know in my heart God exists, because, I did what was suggested in James, I asked Him, and I received confirmation. With Appreciation.
• United States
18 Apr 10
The fact that people are trying to refute me on Adam Lambert, and are worried more about proving that I cited an urban legend, and not one of those people had the nerve to comment after this one shows why I had to make such a post to begin with. People don't willingly want to see the reality of this.
• United States
13 Apr 10
Wow...you really are a glass half empty person huh? I admit there are issues in this country...but every country has them. There is no such thing as "perfect". I do have to say some of your views are little slanted. That I know of abortion is legal...so therefore no woman is forced to carry child..no matter how it was concieved. I do agree we are not practicing "capitalism" and have not for a long time. What we have is called "corporatism" and it needs to stop. We need to get back to "capitalism". That would solve a lot of problems in this country. If I commented on everything in your post, my post would be huge..so I will offer this advice.. If you are so unhappy with how things are here and the style of government we have...why not look into moving..I am not trying to be mean. But I don't see this country going in the direction you want anytime soon. So maybe going to a country that already has the government style you want would be a better bet for you.
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• United States
13 Apr 10
lilwonders456 That is a brilliant idea. I think that her dislike of her country has eaten away at her soul so much that she is only capable of bitterness, lack of hope and spreading misery. I am really happy that my country USA)is doing what it can to protect us from the horrors she is experiencing in her home land!
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
14 Apr 10
way to go lilwonders and whiteheather!! i also think she should go as the song says "where the weather suits her clothes" by the way,LADYBUG MAGIC, what country do you think is better and more to your ideas? its people like you that are killing our patroitism. our country needs our support in these hard times more then ever now. WHAT COUNTRY IS BETTER??? please answer this. i bet you wont/cant.
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@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
18 Apr 10
What about capitalism, with accountability? Just a thought. More importantly, as I read through this, only one thing poked at me enough to stop my reading and respond promptly. I am going to read through this massive discussion, to try to understand this a bit better.(I normally avidly, avoid politics) What do eating habits have to do with abortion? "I am very moderate on abortion, especially given my eating habits." This through a loop through my core processor, could you explain it further please? With Appreciation.
@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
13 Apr 10
It's a pity that this discussion get's so many negative responses. Yes, it's daring and it is out there and perhaps it's a bit over the top on certain things. I am quite sure there are things about your country that you do like, but that's no reason to close your eyes for all the things that can be done in a better way. If we are not progressing, we are running backwards. This world and society is dynamic and we better all help it turn the right way; a way that keeps us happy and healthy and at peace.
• United States
14 Apr 10
Perhaps the negative responses come from the people who actually live here realizing that there's little truth in what's being said by the discussion starter. Just a thought.
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• United States
15 Apr 10
The negative responses are coming from a mix of people who dislike me for other comments in unrelated threads and are complete psychos, and the rest are coming from people too afraid to admit that everything I said is true.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
15 Apr 10
"from people too afraid to admit that everything I said is true. " ROFLMAO! Now THAT is narcisistic...and you were worried about ME getting a big head?
@cream97 (29087)
• United States
13 Apr 10
Hi, ladybugmagic. I have to agree with you. When you look at the world and country that you live in as a whole, this is proven to be very true. Sadly to say so, but it is. This world is all screwed up when it comes to living and dealing with many issues that arises. We have some good points. But it seems that all our bad outweighs our good.
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@cream97 (29087)
• United States
13 Apr 10
America is a wonderful place to live in. But I must first clarify and say that the bad people make America look bad.. People that just want to cause so much trouble makes the world less appealing.
• United States
15 Apr 10
I appreciate your post and your honesty. It's tough, when the majority are opposing this stance, but, in most cases, they prefer denial than to allow the reality of this to really sink in. I think it is hitting, in that my ranking in the politics thread has plummeted so low. The negative ratings I got, I will take as a negative rating against the scenarios which I have outlined. My opposition obviously doesn't like the scenarios I outlined, and, rather than agreeing with me outright, they accuse me of either lying or America-bashing, and silently agree with me by voting me negative, projecting their anger, because it is easier to remain self-righteous than to admit anything is wrong. I'd be horrified if I lived in a country that embodies all of the things I listed in the scenario. And, I do live in that country. So do the rest of these posters, but, only I am the one admitting it.
• United States
14 Apr 10
I live in a country where people give of themselves, their money and their belongings when someone else is in need. I live in a country where a homeless man offered to help a woman who had been helping him, but no longer could. I live in a country where anyone can get medical care because we not only have emergency rooms, we provide country hospitals, clinics and doctors for those who need them. I live in a country where, if people honestly cannot afford medications, the pharmaceutical companies offer a helping hand. I live in a country where when I was forced to leave and lose my own home, new neighbors welcomed me with open arms and sincere offers to help me, my disabled husband and my mentally retarded daughter abounded. I live in a country that when I had to tell a potential landlady I had defaulted on my house payments to provide care for my husband in the new state, she trusted that I would pay her on time every month. I haven't let her down. I live in a country that when a second hand lawn mower croaked, my neighbor didn't ask, he just came over and cut the two acres I'm responsible for as a renter. I live in a country where when my car breaks down and I'm on the side of the road alone at night, kind truckers stop and get help for me. I live in a country where although I believe abortion is wrong, women are given the choice to keep or destroy their child. I live in a country where somehow, over twenty million illegal aliens survived the awful minutemen who obviously shoot everything in sight. I live in a country where people are given a choice to succeed or fail, based on whether they are willing to fight for the opportunities to do so. I also live in a country where suddenly no one is supposed to fail and learn from failure to succeed. I live in a kind, warm, loving, giving country. I wish you could live in it, too.
• United States
15 Apr 10
BRAVO!! Well said...we must be neighbors as you have described exactly the country I live in! Thank you for posting such a wonderful true response! KUDOS!!
• United States
15 Apr 10
I'm delighted you live in this country, too! :)
• United States
19 Apr 10
Mysticmaggie - "I live in a country where people give of themselves, their money and their belongings when someone else is in need." Like the people who were hell-bent against the healthcare mandate, where they didn’t want to purchase insurance, even if they were offered a subsidized program if they could not afford it? "I live in a country where anyone can get medical care because we not only have emergency rooms, we provide country hospitals, clinics and doctors for those who need them." Not everyone is near a county hospital. Each time I have been hospitalized, I have been ambulanced to the nearest hospital, averaging between $2500 - $7500 a pop. Not everyone’s income qualifies them to be provided care at a county hospital or a clinic. And not every clinic will provide needed preventative care for chronically ill people. "I live in a country where, if people honestly cannot afford medications, the pharmaceutical companies offer a helping hand." Perhaps they should offer a reasonable price ahead of time, or our insurance that we pay monthly premiums to shouldn’t deny said medication for bogus reasons. "I live in a country where when I was forced to leave and lose my own home, new neighbors welcomed me with open arms and sincere offers to help me, my disabled husband and my mentally retarded daughter abounded." If memory serves, you ended up losing your home because of medical costs. "I live in a country that when I had to tell a potential landlady I had defaulted on my house payments to provide care for my husband in the new state, she trusted that I would pay her on time every month. I haven't let her down." Ok. You have a fair landlady, who really needed a tenant. If renting from an apartment complex or managed property, chances are you would have gotten turned down rather quickly. "I live in a country that when a second hand lawn mower croaked, my neighbor didn't ask, he just came over and cut the two acres I'm responsible for as a renter." Ok – you have a good neighbor. "I live in a country where when my car breaks down and I'm on the side of the road alone at night, kind truckers stop and get help for me." Lucky on that one. I have a little something called Triple A, and a cell phone. It is actually dangerous to be out at night on the side of a road, no matter where in this country you live. Even small towns have their share of shady people. "I live in a country where although I believe abortion is wrong, women are given the choice to keep or destroy their child." That choice should not be protested. You live in a country that has no empathy for those making the difficult decision, who go so far as offerring their judgment, though they pretend to care about choice, (ie - "destroy their child"), even though there are people who abort out of extreme consideration for their child. "I live in a country where somehow, over twenty million illegal aliens survived the awful minutemen who obviously shoot everything in sight." I live in a country where neo-nazis were protesting last night, foaming at the mouth about illegals, and, of course, anyone not of aryan descent. Luckily liberal groups came there, to protest them, waving their rainbow flags, and peace signs, and equality signs, and signs about how Hitler will never harm a family again. "I live in a country where people are given a choice to succeed or fail, based on whether they are willing to fight for the opportunities to do so. I also live in a country where suddenly no one is supposed to fail and learn from failure to succeed." You also live in a country that used to hang a black person for reading a book. How do you think his children who then had children, who then also had children benefited from that? You live in a country where 60 years ago, schools were not equal, curriculum was not equal, and the façade of “choice” as to whether to succeed or fail was rigged in the whites favour. Did you not live during that time? I only read about it, and the most recent stats I had from 2001 showed that blacks were making 61% less on average than whites, which shows the need for affirmative action, and giving people the chance at the same education. Two things you listed sounded warm and giving. Both, coincidentally, had nothing to do with our politics.
• United States
14 Apr 10
Yes, ladybugmagic, you do. Luckily, you also live in a country where people give thousands for earthquake relief. You live in a country where people are free to complain about their government, and will not be imprisoned or killed for it. In your country, the minorities do have rights, by law, even though society hasn't yet completely caught up to the founders intentions. You live in a country where the president is partly of minority heritage, and got the majority of the votes. You also live in a country where we tell crazy urban myths, like that one about the gang initiation murders of people who blink their headlights. BTW, you are brilliant at writing about it.
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• United States
15 Apr 10
Well said!
• United States
15 Apr 10
Thank you, whiteheather39. I could go on and on about what is wrong with America in my opinion, too, but I think we should also remember to be grateful for what we have in this country. Proud, even. No system is perfect, of course. But I think I am about to start ranting. I'll stop.
• United States
23 Apr 10
I will try to take your remark "You do know what a drive-by is, right?" with a grain of salt. I do not think I insulted your intellect.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
14 Apr 10
Ladybug why are doing this?
• United States
14 Apr 10
gewcew23 Back in days of yore anyone speaking about their country in such a derogatory way would have been charged with treason. Sometimes the old ways were the best!
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
14 Apr 10
wow! that's all. she is in a mood and on a mission. Something ticked her off for sure.
• United States
14 Apr 10
Why do rightwingers post threads about our country slipping into neo-nazism? I am doing this, because I am entitled to my opinion, and I am a part of this forum, and I will express precisely what I see going on, and I will be more than happy to substantiate it with links supporting my beliefs. I am heading off to a function, but saw your question and wanted to answer. And, while we are at it, you should go ask everyone who posted something defamatory about Obama and the current democratic administration, and ask them why they are doing that. This is not republican-lot, this is mylot. Meaning I have a say in these discussions, too.
• United States
13 Apr 10
I am so sorry to hear you live in such a country. I so lucky to live in a country that tries to make it's citizens safe from the kind of people in your country. I so happy to still live in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!
• United States
14 Apr 10
quita88 you are absolutely right ...she does sound like a communist...now that makes it much easier to understand why she is such a rabid supporter of Obama she hopes his socialistic plans for our country will evolve into communism.
• United States
14 Apr 10
I think you mean, "The United CONGLOMERATES of America"?
@quita88 (3715)
• United States
14 Apr 10
OH no! ladybugmagic, how can you even whisper CONGLOMERATES to whiteheather ??? I too am sooo happy to live it the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA !!!! You need to get some rest dear you are starting to sound like a communist------ just never forget AMERICA is still THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE. Our soldiers die for YOU every day and you can say this ????
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
13 Apr 10
Well, welcome to my club. lol I never thought that I would see an American telling it like it is. That pretty much sum up America. Funny thing is, everybody living outside of America knows it. Which is why there is so much anti-American feelings around the world. This is not a new thing by any mean. You can trace it back to 1945. But if I had started this discussion, it would already have been deleted, as I would have been abuse and insulted, because since I am not American, I am not allowed to say such things. Saying it would make me an American hater, which is not the case at all. I love a lot of things about America. But that don't mean that I have to support what's wrong to be allowed to appreciate what's good.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Apr 10
Aussie, you know I have no problem with you. We've posted on a lot of the same threads. I also don't blame you for believing such crap because you DON'T live in America so you don't know first hand how much of this is garbage. Ladybug should know better.
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• United States
13 Apr 10
Taskr - I guess its okay for those on the far right to say that we are stealing their liberties, imposing a live-in IRS rep in each home, that our country has become a communist country, that we are leaving our citizens defenseless, and that our president is a muslim usurper and mirrors Hitler. Those people should know better. But, the realities of the situation are how I presented it, but slightly exaggerated, obviously, and I will address each post individually as I have the time. And, if I did not show this post, you would not see why the left party works so hard at fighting against the atrocities brought forth by the right party.
• United States
13 Apr 10
I will respond to you in depth when I get home - but real quick: I don't bury my head in the sand like you do. I am telling the truth, and I made it sound morose, because the very reality of it is. Anyone who can come to grips with the personal responsibility and shame in what lead our country this way, and who wants to know the truth, would realize this is not America bashing. It is fact stating. Don't like facts? Do what you can to change them.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Apr 10
"I live in a country where fifteen-year-olds are not only pregnant, but they are packing heat." Do show me proof of all these pregnant teens packing heat. I guess socialism really is great since 9 of the top 10 countries in teen pregnancy rates are socialist. "I live in a country where corporations rule, and one race and religion reign supreme." Really? So you're telling me that you are required to practice only one religion? Are you somehow banned from celebrating alternate religious holidays? Are the practices of your faith prevented by the government? If one race rules supreme than why are certain minorities given preferential treatment when applying for jobs? "I live in a country where people who fancy themselves “minutemen” shoot dehydrated and famished immigrants." I haven't seen any proof of this. In fact, there are Minutemen who have actually provided food and water to immigrants while waiting for Border Patrol to arrive. Granted, they're just as likely to have some bad eggs in the group as uniformed police. " I live in a country where there are nukes-a-plenty, and where the rights of a minority can easily be voted away by the rights of a majority." And the rights of the majority can easily be voted away by the minority. Just look at that health care bill that the majority opposed and the minority passed. the simple fact is that we are NOT a democracy which is well known to be the most inefficient style of government. "I live in a country where rape victims are forced to carry their rapists child." Complete and utter lie and you know it. "I live in a country where people consume toxic poisons either by what they eat, drink, or inhale." Show me one country where people do NOT consume toxic poisons one way or another. The US has what is probably the safest drinking water on the planet coming from the tap. The funny thing is, the cities with the best water are in Red states run by conservatives and the cities with the WORST water are in cities in California, the most socialist state in the nation. I just happen to live in a country where most "impoverished" people have a home, refrigerator, stove, washer, dryer, color TV, a stereo, microwave, computer, dishwasher, and a car. Capitalism sure does suck for those poor impoverished people.
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• United States
14 Apr 10
You said "I just happen to live in a country where most "impoverished" people have a home, refrigerator, stove, washer, dryer, color TV, a stereo, microwave, computer, dishwasher, and a car. Capitalism sure does suck for those poor impoverished people." Wow we must be neighbors. The USA I live in is doing it's best to try and protect us from from these kind of exaggerated lies made to discredit what we still have to be proud of as US citizens. Of course these people are just following Obama's lead as he apologises to the world for our wicked country.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Apr 10
Wow you are such a master of copy and paste that you are even copying and pasting the myths that were debunked. Seriously, can't you come up with anything new? I guess addressing my actual post was just too much work, just as admitting you lied about the rape bit is beyond you. If you don't like the laws of the state of California, either work to change them like the Prop 8 crowd did, or don't live there. That's the beauty of this country. Just go to Vermont or some other state that will marry gay people. That's the reason we have 50 states with separate governments instead of one overruling government that makes all the laws for everyone. In a country this size our founders were smart enough to realize that there were too many different cultures spread throughout for one government to properly respect all their wishes regarding laws and governance. "While abortion is legal in all states, it is not available in all states." Prove it or can the lies because lies are what a lot of your America bashing in this thread is based on. "they will shout at these girls awful obscenities" Well that's perfectly legal and, to me, far less offensive than killing a child. They can insult people in public the same way I've seen you insult people on this forum. That's freedom of speech. If we say you can only yell nice things, then it's not really a freedom is it? "gays are slowly gaining more and more marriage rights state by state." That would be optimistic and acknowledge the progress being made X. Ladybug doesn't want to acknowledge anything positive in this country right now. It's just about bashing it for everything real or imagined that makes her mad.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
15 Apr 10
"Gays are losing marriage rights" Really? So, are you saying that it was perfectly legal in every state 10 years ago and all but a handfull have now removed laws that allow it? Seems to me you have it backwards....shoud read "gays are slowly gaining more and more marriage rights state by state."
• United States
13 Apr 10
so I'm curious, what country do you live in? Because I live in America, and your country sounds pretty messed up :P (yes I'm suggesting your description of what I assume to be America, is pretty messed up.)
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Apr 10
"5. Gang initiations have included leaving your headlights off intentionally, and then shooting the person who flashes you to put them on." Lol. Do you also believe that KFC is using genetically engineered chicken like mutations for their food? Oh, and FYI, the crown prince of Nigeria is not going to share his fortune with you. http://www.snopes.com/crime/gangs/lightsout.asp http://www.snopes.com/crime/gangs/pullover.asp
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
14 Apr 10
Our country and the top income earning corporations lure people across the border, because minimum wage here is a king's ransom there." Corperations don't set the minimum wage here....the federal government sets a minimum and many states set it above the federal level. But I guaranty you would be one of the first people screaming for heads if the federal government ever tried to reduce minimum wage.
• United States
14 Apr 10
Very good taskr - I brought up a scenario that we are all familiar with that helps convey the point, in terms of the randomness in which gang initiations choose their target. They may not do the headlight response thing, but in some gangs, they are required to shoot and kill a random victim. Do you need me to provide links to those?
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
13 Nov 10
I feel like there are a lot of negative things about the countries that we all live in. However, I also think that there are a lot of positive things that we are able to see about the countries that we live in as well. For example, though there is a lot of murder and people that are poor and infamished in my country, there is also a lot of charity if we only take the time to look at it. I think that is one of the things that I treasure the most about the country that I live in.
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• United States
17 Nov 10
I kind of glossed over the previous three pages, because I would have to sit down and put a lot more thought into the three before yours, I had posted it months ago, and all that I posted still rings true, but are rarely mentioned. They are America's skeletons in the closet. And the previous comments were a lot of people calling me random names for lack of any intellect on their part, so they resort to things like that. I do like that there is charity in countries, and I really appreciate your comment here. It was not as heated as many others left, and it is refreshing to see some agreeable disagreement, and at the same time, acknowledgment of both good and bad. It was a tough read, if you read through all the previous pages.
@pandaeyes (2065)
14 Apr 10
I think there is a lot that can be seen as negative in any country in which we live. Sadly teenage pregnancy is a reality where I live too but the government are not to blame directly. The whole of society makes a country ,not just a few people in suits. In this country back in the 1970's ,there was a woman (Mary Whitehouse) who stood forward and complained about the way children were being influenced by the television, she wanted the government to notice how sleaze and corruption was being openly shown on TV when kids were watching. At the time she was considered a bit of a joke but looking back, she was a caring lady who got things done and TV was carefully regulated because of her speaking out.
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• United States
14 Apr 10
Indeed ladybug we live in a world run-a-muck. Our citizens are slaves to the banking cartels that bought us up after the great depression due to Margin Loans Banks not printing enough money to pay back loans & the Big-shots pulling out of the stock-market, run by the people in charge then.. who else.. "The Brits" so much for taxation w/out representation as we are plagued by certificates of sale to our new corporate names in ALL CAPS. "Our great Nation" isn't even smart enough to print it's own money?!" Instead it has the private entity "The Fed" do it? I feel we are so blinded that we have become sheep to the slaughter with a foreign agenda and the funny thing is everyone acts as though as if they have freedom... sure as long as you don't ask too many questions & follow orders. People are tribal in nature and as long as they feel they have an established "Great nation" of some sort then they are all ready to rally and get behind it. The funny thing about the world is the people with the money to get the job done...do... it will always be a "Class war" or the "Have's & the Have-Nots". It's soulless but money tends to buy rights, means & people. All these issues you bring up have one thing in common... "Competition" If the elite rich have the money then anything is possible it just comes with a price and it isn't always in the form of money. After-all when the richest have too much the trade of power and favors start to move more important chess pieces. I think it's rather funny that people argue over other peoples rights and about what is or isn't fair as if retribution and revenge are even necessary. Our Governmental/corporate controlling masters tell politicians what to say to the people but just don't show them diagrams cause then accountability will come into play. Then when government bills get passed these politicians & representatives are like priests for the people and if they step out of line they loose there jobs so everyone behaves to the atrocities of the puppet masters. Hell it's so bad that even some of those people are willing to take one for the team just to get back into the private sector cause everyone knows that is the only reason to take a Govt. Job in the first place.. cause the government doesn't pay as well... LOL our own president doesn't make nearly enough for the position he holds LMAO! Oh well anyhow I saw your post today and although things on paper are one way the people do indeed act the contrary.
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• United States
16 Apr 10
Prop 8 brought me to mylot. Since then, as I am maturing, I am figuring out more things about my political, spiritual and ideological beliefs. I don't have many certains. Well, one mostly: to minimize suffering. The other beliefs I have are that the three musketeers are religion, politics, and corporations. They all play off each other, they all feed each other, and they all damn one another. I also believe the easiest way to explain what is going on is something I said in another thread. This is a see-saw between government regulation and corporate rule, with the citizens in the middle of the teeter-totter. It requires a delicate balance, and the natural law of gravity makes it so that not everyone is going to get 100% of what we want. Those furthest outward on either side are going to complain the most.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
14 Apr 10
You live in the united states. While a lot of what you say may be true, much of it is not. For example, no woman is forced to carry a rapist child. Abortion is legal hear and so is adoption. any pregnant woman can get councel to her options and someone to follow thru with her in whatever she decides whether it be to keep the baby, abort or put up for adoption. What race and religion reign supreme here? I'm in the states also and I say you are greatly exaggerating things. Minute men? Are you serious? Who and where? Nukes a plenty....that much is true but we have never used them. A "minority voted away by the rights of a majority?" Are you for real. Thats so not true. Obama is a perfect example and shows how inaccurate your statements are. Weird post....don't understand your point. Please explain.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
15 Apr 10
Maybe ladybug should use that time to do some research on some of those claims she's made. She might become more informed and appear less like a hysterical fool.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
15 Apr 10
Bestboy, I don't think she appears like a hysterical fool. I do think she is listing all the negative and none of the positive which tells me that she either doesn't see the positive or she is just listing the negative and it just appears that way. Some points are a little off but some do make sense when she explains them out like the homosexuals not being allowed to get married for example. Our country does have a lot of problems for sure. We need to all band together and work towards changing the things that we don't like. We do that by being kind and fair and non-judgemental ourselves. That's a start. We have to work together for changes in the government that we want.
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• United States
16 Apr 10
Sid – Here are some sites listing the amount of abortion clinics in the country. In some states, there are between 3 and 5. I included a few links so you can cross-reference them, ranging from the left to the right. According to one of the prolifers sites, there are currently only 754 clinics. http://www.ldi.org/deathcamps/DeathCamps.cfm ( VERY right wing) http://www.abortion.com/ (left wing) The right wing one has promised they will not stop with their protests until each clinic is shut down. I would like to use Kansas as an example. They have three clinics. And the state is 81,000 square miles. Teenagers can hardly get somewhere 30 miles away. How in the world are they expected to get to these clinics. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/apr/01/abortions-harder-get-state/?kansas_legislature Even I was like, WTF – how can people carry a fetus for six months, and then terminate it? This link gives some great insight, and I have copied and pasted one of the statements made by people who had late term abortions. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jodi-jacobson/late-term-abortions-facts_b_210614.html On November 11, 2005, I elected to have [a] CVS test. . . . Then, the test results came in. . . . We knew chromosome 14 was incompatible with life, and chromosome 22 could mean Cat Eye Syndrome. Both my husband and I wanted the baby very much, and neither one of us was willing to terminate the pregnancy on a "maybe." . . . I had the amnio on 12/26/05, and the results came in on Jan. 13, 2006. It confirmed without doubt - she had Cat Eye Syndrome tetrasomy in every cell of her body. The last 3 sonograms showed . . . our baby's kidneys were beginning to malfunction. . . . We made this decision because we loved our daughter so much. We didn't want her to suffer the definite and the untold problems she was sure to endure, if she even made it. We made the best decision we could with the information we had. We fought for her. We wanted her. But we didn't want to condemn her to a life of agony. It’s not like they just wake up one day and want to abort. And politicians and representatives are campaigning based on their staunch pro-life views, which lost all support for Ron Paul from me. Virginia governor is trying ban state funding for abortions. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/apr/10041511.html If we get more prolifers in office, who believe that life begins at conception, we may eventually see a ban on the day after pill, or worse yet, on abortions entirely. That is the conservatives goal. They don’t put any sort of compassion into each individual situation. On a whole, they come off as being caring, but they have to leave the option available. I am a vegan, but I believe in euthanasia. The idea is to minimize suffering.
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@bluemars (952)
• Australia
14 Apr 10
Wow I don't know what to really say but wow. That is not a positive outlook at all in any country. If this be true then it is a sad waste really. I mean I think people should live in unity and in peace with each other. We should be learning from our past to better the country's future not going backwards and backwards over and over again.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Apr 10
"Rape victims are made to carry their rapists seed to term." Show me some example of that in this country in the last year. It's a lie. You know it and yet you keep repeating it. I'm not going to ramble here by pointing out all your other lies as you've littered the thread with them. Just go ahead, and prove that THAT statement is not a lie.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
16 Apr 10
@ whiteheather: " Possibly a carry over from her unsatisfactory home/personal life. " What was it you posted to me about flaming others, hall monitor? Ladybugmagic's personal life, whether satisfactory or unsatisfactory is of no relevance to this discussion. If what one posts is a reflection of one's personal life, you most assuredly are living a vile, miserable existence in a mental institution...with internet access.
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• United States
15 Apr 10
Will do - I think I have other people to get back to, and you have to realize I am juggling a few things, and it is hard to refute you refuting me every ten minutes, when I am trying to be fair and respond to everyone that was courteous enough to post to me. I will get back to you, though, make no mistake. You know I can't resist you.
@syankee525 (6261)
• United States
14 Apr 10
welcome to the usa.. these days i see how this world and this country is going. it is sad.
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• United States
18 Apr 10
A lot of people are wearing blinders. How come you are not?
• United States
18 Apr 10
I agree with practically everything you said, save the part about the Christmas tree. While I agree, anyone can practice whatever religion they want, I wouldn't ever presume to know what religion they are practicing. If I saw your Christmas tree in a window, and a wreath on your door, and Santa in the front yard, I would say "Merry Christmas", because that is the holiday you celebrate. If I saw a Mesusa, and you were wearing a yamaka, I would say, "Happy Chanukah", because that is the holiday you celebrate. I am not entirely sure how to guage who celebrates Kwaanza, which falls around the same time, so I would say, "Happy Holidays" to anyone who I coulnd't tell what their religion was. I have given gifts to Jehovah's Witnesses before, without knowing their tradition was not to accept gifts. So - it is open to interpretation, but I would extend each person an appropriate greeting reflecting their religion. I would not go out of my way to tell you to call it a HOLIDAY TREE, much like I am sure you wouldn't go tell someone lighting a menorah to call it a Christmas Menorah. There has to be a mutual respect for traditions.
@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
14 Apr 10
So what is your plan to reform? Who have you talked to? What lobbyist groups have you formed? Does this post address the solution, or does it just make you feel better? If it just makes you feel better, and does nothing constructive, is really worth posting? You don't like the way your country is being run, do something. Work at fixing it. Most of what you said, is true more countries then just the USA, countries of all government types, democracy, communism, socialist, dictatorship. These kinds of problems abound the world over. And they need to be addressed and fixed. The prejudiced that expounds in the world as a whole needs to be changed. America, the land of the free, this makes me laugh. If it is free, why is it, you have persecuted people for their believes since the formation of the country nearly.... I believe it will take the efforts of the people, the people that want the change, have to implement the changes, by the way they live, and through the proper channels, the government in the USA(at least, and most other "free" countries) Works for the people, if the people take the time, and have the passion to address the government through the proper channels. If I want a change here in Canada, I start a petition, I find people that are like minded with me, I get as many people to sign it as I can, then I send a copy to all the MP's-(federal), and MLA's(provincial) that people in their area signed. This is how it works, and when the government doesn't accept the peoples view, they get voted out, if the MAJORITY truly wants change, although in my country, the MINORITY does seem to do well as well. But, that is the change that is wanted at this time. And in closing I want to ask you just a few more questions, because I approach "problem" solving from a different angle then most people. What is it that your government is doing right?(nothing is NOT an acceptable answer) What makes that right? What would be ideal? What is missing that could make your ideal real? What will it take for your country to put in what is missing and make your ideal real? Just somethings to think about. With Appreciation.
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@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
17 Apr 10
What is right about your response whiteheather? What is it that makes that right? Is it constructive, or does it just make you feel better? And if it just makes you feel better, is it really worth it? I think, that miss magic, is just taking her time, learning about and developing her plan of action for reform. With Appreciation.
• United States
18 Apr 10
Thank you CJScott - I am getting to everyone's replies as quickly as I can. I am making some headway, but keep getting halted with immediate rebuttals, and I have to respond there, too. I am at yours in the next little while.
@quita88 (3715)
• United States
14 Apr 10
I've been talking to you off and on for a good while and never seen you this distraut. I think you are way off base on this whole discussion. Think about it---are you free to speak? are you free to have a computer? Do you get to see your family? Just how many liberties are enjoying? If you are so unhappy move on ! I am in the US of A and quite happy with my country !
• United States
16 Apr 10
sid556 I agree that there are many things that need fixing in America. I think the first step to mending our ailments is to get rid of the corrupt, lying, self-serving government with their boss Obama. We now have a bunch of crooks running our country. Do not for one moment think that Obama Health Care is going to help you get better medical service. A member of my family (to my shame) has 3 children, will not marry the father or get a job because she gets too much money from the government as a single unemployed mother with excellent health care (Medicaid. She has a very nice home with a giant TV on one wall and a really nice car in her garage....GRRR!@!!
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
16 Apr 10
I think she is deliberatly exagerating. I love my life too and am grateful living here in the states. Still in all honesty, can any of us say that there are not some things that are corrupt and unfair? Listing all the negatives made us all look at the positives but the negatives are still there. I mean one person posted that we have emergency rooms so people don't really die for lack of insurance. Ok well, I would. I work and so I do not qualify for medicaid. If an emergency were to happen, yes, I would go to the emergency room and it would cost thousands and I'd be making weekly payments. I know this because it has happened. I'm a single mom and I don't want and can't really afford these payments. I know I could go to the doctor and he'd take me in and I'd get the bill. I can't afford it. I am not going in for check ups etc. I would only go in if I were so sick that I was scared. If I had cancer...forgett early detection...won't happen because I can't afford the physicals. And if I did find out I had something like that, I could not afford the treatments so why bother? I've probably been to the doctor once in the past 16 yrs and it surely wasn't for a physical.
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@quita88 (3715)
• United States
16 Apr 10
I'm not sure where she lives but unless there is something major stopping her , she should make it a goal to move--however I believe like you all do that she carries a grudge all the time. sid556 I think you should take the time to get a physical. I had two heart attacks last year and I didn't have a clue anything was wrong with me. And, don't know how old you are but getting pap tests are very important. Why Bother? YOu state you are a single mom. What about your kids if you should die? Or even if you have an illness to keep from taking care of your kids properly? There are programs to get mamograms and female testing done . Check around at your county health departments. Don't make life more unfair for the kids you have and who depend on you.
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
16 Apr 10
Ladybug, ladybug, you are so lost it even begs the question. You live in a country that has allowed you unlimited freedom, even the freedom to be 100% wrong, which, of course you are now, again. The only accidentally almost true statement you have made is "the rights of a minority can easily be voted away by the rights of a majority". This has become a fact for two main reasons: Most do not realize we are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, not a DEMOCRACY per se, though a majority vote is necessary for many issues. We have that exact situation now, by a majority of fools voting for an INELIGIBLE candidate, so you can see the downside of "majority rules" there. Further, the corrupt in power can "sway" or "buy" votes, which you see demonstrated every day by the usurper and his gangsters, as Congress kowtows to the will of the usurper for their own greed and power-mongering and ignores not just the will of the people, but the Constitution. In case they forgot to teach you in school, the Constitutional Republic designition means the Constitution is the basis of our government and the foundation of our law. If it is violated, so is the rule of the majority in that instance. Unconstitutional "laws" equal LAWLESSNES. The other component to LAWLESSNESS lies in God's purpose for this country and that is to share God's love and moral purpose with the world. America is the only nation chartered under God; this is also a basis for our Constitution and THREE-part checks and balances government. As long as God and His purposes were honored, America was blessed, and we could thus be a blessing to the world; if you can't understand at least THAT, then at least you must know we have provided untold financial aid and manpower protection to so many nations. Now that America has become secular and thumbs its collective nose at God, our blessings and protections are removed, and we are at the mercy of "men" we "idolize". Our selfishness and unaccountability to God have brought us to this end; secularism denotes an "antichrist" (anti-God) spirit and, and that also equates to LAWLESSNESS. The very definition of "antichrist" is "THE LAWLESS ONE" AND things equal to the same thing are equal to each other, axiomatically speaking. Thus, LAWLESSNESS = LAWLESSNESS. EVERYTHING you complain about is the result of these things: secularism, which denotes relativism, lack of accountability to a higher moral authority, thus lawlessness. If each person (or his idols) is God unto himself and the final arbitor of what is right or wrong, the natural end therof is LAWLESSNESS and ANYTHING GOES. This very kind of morality, or really lack thereof, is what causes great societies to fail, not attacks from outsiders, but moral depravatity from within. Obviously not learning the lessons of history comes into play. All of the things you whine, complain, and blame about are typical of liberal political-correctness gamesmanship and, in part, the corrupt nature of man. However, both man and country also have a higher nature, and these are connected to the higher authority we currently reject. We need His Spirit, the Holy Spirit, and our spirits in accord in order to be able to pursue our higher nature and hold fast to His purpose for us. Beyond that, what you complain about is, in part, due also to violation of the basic precepts and principles set down by God for the world. America had a special mission in these, and that was, in the first place, to be a haven for people to worship God as they saw fit (remember they left the tyranny of man in Europe to do so) and, yes, that includes the liberty to NOT worship Him), as opposed to the tyranny of governments led by imperfect man, in which there is NO liberty (dictator Obama violating the Constitution - our rights - every day) as in pushing through unconstutional "laws" and penalties a la deathcare in flagrant disregard of the Constitutional rights and protections we have. America is and has been a superior and kind country, as opposed to the vile words " a mean country" (which afforded her the oportunity to get rich through political correctness) used by Michelle O in order to win an election for a fraudulent candidate, whom she married, in part, to give him some form of citizenship. Obviously, you still choose to buy both lies. There has never been a country more generous and giving and free than America used to be; O will take care of the ruination of all that, along with those who choose to be blind to the truth. Oh, well, too bad that, through ignorance, someone like you would disparage such a wonderful country. You are so mistaken in saying "conservative party...teaching me the dangers of socialism.." Conservatives hate socialism and are in favor of capitalism. It is the liberals who favor and promote socialism, as in BHO, Pelosi, Reid, his radical and gangster friends and those who are currently removing our freedom, rights, economy, and soon our very lives for the "good of all" (and, of course, themselves), a la Hitler, setting themselves up as tyrants who will punish all who actually dare to oppose them and think for themselves. This is basic and you should know that socialism and liberalism are the exact opposites of capitalism and conservatism. Lady, there is so much you need to know and you need to renew your mind. However, it is well beyond the scope and time of this discussion forum. Right now, responding to you is so tedius that I am boring myself almost to tears and to sleep. Let's just simplify and say this: You are wrong.
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• United States
16 Apr 10
Absolutely how I feel. I think you for find the right words...". Right now, responding to you is so tedious that I am boring myself almost to tears and to sleep. Let's just simplify and say this: You are wrong."
• United States
16 Apr 10
oops typo Meant to say... I thank you for finding the right words.
• United States
18 Apr 10
Epicure - I have other responses I am catching up on and will get to yours. I just wanted to tell you that I find it amusing that your current ranking in the politics thread is "666".