Words of wisdom from the Anti-Mosque crowd on 9/11

United States
September 12, 2010 9:30am CST
"Muslims will never be American citizens, they don't fit, they don't assimilate," said one elderly protester from Illinois, who declined to give her name. "Let's call a spade a spade: I want them out, not in." Don't you just love people who spew hate, and ignorance, but won't leave their name? This is another reason that our constitution is so hard to change, because if Rasmussen did a poll of this right now, I am sure they could find more idiots like this, and republicans would be calling for a ban on Muslims from this country, because a Rasmussen says so. "This mosque has made me really read, and Muslims build mosques in areas they think they have conquered," Apparently Muslims have taken over most major US cities, seeing how most have at least one mosque in them. Funny how they did this and none of us ever even knew it. What do you think of these comments, and do you feel that the hate that is being pushed by certain media organizations is hurting this country? http://www.aolnews.com/article/mosque-protests-overshadow-ninth-anniversary-of-911/19629863?icid=main|main|dl1|sec1_lnk3|169952
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• United States
12 Sep 10
I agree with everyone on this discussion board. It is plain stupidity and ignorance to hate one race, ethnicity or religion because of what one group of men did. It doesn't make sense at all. Those are some very tough protesters. They were able to say all that hate but they didn't have the b*&ls to leave their name? Oh yeah really tough guys. I honestly have no opinion of the mosque but I am not going to spew off hate on no one.
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• United States
12 Sep 10
It isn't hard at all to open your mouth behind a curtain. It is much more difficult to let the world see the face of hate.
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• United States
12 Sep 10
to me its all jsut plain ignorance. how can you blame a whole religion just for something a select group did to the country i have known many muslims and they are no different than any one else that lives in the usa and people need to treat everyone the same no matter what color origin or religion they may be then the world would be a much happier place
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• United States
12 Sep 10
I agree with you 100%
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
12 Sep 10
Muslims account for what 1 or 2% of the population. Out of that the vast majority of them are moderate Muslims. The reason that they or their family left their country of origin was because they did not want to live in a theocracy. I am sick of the Ground-Zero Mosque being called a Mosque, I do not know of one Mosque that has a swimming pool and a culinary school in it. If you insist on call a Mosque then isn't that proof that Muslims can and have assimilated into American culture?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
13 Sep 10
So, Taskr, is a mall that happens to include a shoe store a "shoe store"? Is a YMCA that has a swimming pool a "swimming pool"? Was the World Trade Center that contained a mosque a "mosque"? Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Sep 10
I don't know why people pretend it isn't a mosque. True, it's not JUST a mosque, it's an Islamic cultural center WITH a Mosque, but seriously, just admit what it is or any argument falls flat, or worse, looks like you're trying to hide something or deceive people.
• United States
12 Sep 10
This is just a topic to rally the troops around so they can try to built support for the party of hate and fear. This is the just like terrorism in 2002, and gay Marriage in 2004. Pure politics.
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
12 Sep 10
"Muslims will never be American citizens, they don't fit, they don't assimilate," said one elderly protester from Illinois, who declined to give her name. "Let's call a spade a spade: I want them out, not in." - Let's face it - if that was the criteria for a person to be an American citizen there would be a lot of non-Muslims that would be "out" also. Heck, just go to http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ and tell me how many of those people "fit". A lot of people have forgotten (or never knew) that more than 40 Muslims who worked in the twin towers also were killed by the same terrorists and they used to have a Muslim prayer room in one of the towers that was used on a daily basis by the Muslims who worked there or visited on business.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
12 Sep 10
Well debater, the polls I've seen show that roughly 60% of the people in this country oppose this mosque. We'll ignore those beneath voting age and say that this means about 80 million people are against it. Out of 80 million people do you really think it's going to be hard to find a few nutcases? I'm sure you're aware that you'll find people just as stupid on the pro-mosque crowd if you take a look. Those people however, are being completely ignored by the media.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
12 Sep 10
I happen to agree with you that it's not hard to find a few nutcases in any large group. However, one nutcase given a forum on national TV or other media outlets can breed many MORE nutcases. There are millions of Americans who don't really have much, if any, contact with Muslim-Americans so if they hear someone say something ignorant and narrow-minded they just might take it literally. I firmly believe when the flames of hatred are fanned they can spread like wildfire. Annie
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Sep 10
"However, one nutcase given a forum on national TV or other media outlets can breed many MORE nutcases." I don't think it breeds more, but rather makes other nutcases feel that their feelings are more acceptable. Similar to another unrelated thread where someone said there were more gay people in the US now and I said that they are just more open now since seeing others come out has made them feel more socially accepted. Either way, if you think giving them a forum breeds more nutcases, then you should be blaming the left wing media for giving them that forum, even if the purpose is to mock and criticize them. Debater, the answer to everything you said is no. My point was that it's a pathetic attempt to make it appear that all the people opposing the mosque are nutcases like this. Do you really think that there are 80 million people in this country as stupid as the ones quoted here? Who exactly should stand up to them? This isn't a tea party, an organized church, or any named group with known leaders and members. This was some piddly group acting like jerks on a day that is best respected by solemn remembrance. Who out there even knows what stupid things they've said? If I hadn't read this thread I certainly wouldn't know.
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• United States
12 Sep 10
Taskr, so you are saying that it is OK that because it isn't the majority of the group that talk like this is fine? When people in a group hear things like this and don't stand up to that person then they are accepting what they are saying, and agree with it. Do you agree with these to people Taskr?
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
13 Sep 10
Yes, I think the media is just as much to blame as the people that hold such bigoted views. I think the media helps to stir things up. That guy in florida that was going to celebrate 9/11 by burning the Koran would never have gotten his fame without the help of the media. Neither would the building of the community center 2 blocks from Ground Zero. It's all about politics and playing on peoples fears and emotions. Sadly a lot of people buy into it. Government is like the little kid who plays the parents and gets them fighting amongst themselves and distracts them from what he is really doing.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
13 Sep 10
I think you are exactly right on that, Letran!
• Philippines
13 Sep 10
my perception is that the media doesn't give a damn on the impact. they just get the story,report and earn ratings. then, if it gets worse, then it's JACKPOT for them to report it again, again and again until things are worse. as far as i can remember, Media Loves to report bad news since it's mostly watched
@nzinky (822)
• United States
12 Sep 10
I think building a Mosque near ground zero isn't right but the man ownes the land and will build it there out of spite......He is a trouble maker and just wants to stir up trouble....Unfortunaly someone who has taken offence to it will wait and try to cause trouble in ways we as American's can't imagine..... He is just as bad as the preacher who wanted to burn the Quran on 9/11, trouble maker just want to keep stirring the pot until it boils over.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
13 Sep 10
Nzinky, you are so silly. it isn't the same as the preacher that wants to burn the Koran. Thesepeople are just standing up for their rights. They aren't new to this community. There is already a mosque there that has been there since long before 9/ll attacks. They are looking to expand. It is a community center and not a mosque. Yes there is a prayer room in it but there also was a prayer room in the twin towers. there is also a memorial in the plans for those that lost their lives in 9/11. The people building this mosque were in no way conected to the 9/11 bombings. Why should they have to change their plans because some people think all muslims are responsible or because anythinging reminding them of the muslem religin brings back terrible memories.
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• United States
12 Sep 10
I wouldn't expect anything else from you nzinky. "He is just as bad as the preacher who wanted to burn the Quran on 9/11, trouble maker just want to keep stirring the pot until it boils over." I feel the same way about right wing hate talk radio!!!!
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
13 Sep 10
I say LET'S call a spade a spade - this woman is one old, cowardly bigot! If she had an ounce of courage she'd have proudly given her name and address and maybe thrown in her phone number. Like I said in my earlier comment, idiots like this woman fan the flames of hatred. I definitely think the hate being pushed by these people is doing great harm to our country! Annie
• United States
13 Sep 10
I find it strange that people have their hackles raised at a mosque or two in major cities. What about the hundreds of Christian churches, or the synagogues, or the temples? The hatred has nothing to do with people being Muslim. It's a group mentality, "us against them". If not Muslims, then blacks, if not blacks, then white ethnic (i.e., Polish, Irish, German, etc.), if not them, then Latino, etc. Some people have such shriveled souls they only feel good about themselves by hating or negatively judging another. God forbid I play into that.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
12 Sep 10
I am so sick and tired of all of these Posts...No one is going to stop this Building. The man owns the land. It is zoned properly for what he wants to build. He was very very crafty when he designed the building to have a pool and the culinary school etc. If he had just wanted the Mosque, he would have been denied hands down. True? True! He will get his pool, his school, and his mosque. There is no debate. Now what would have happened if someone had wanted to put a church there? Wow there would have been a huge argument over what church it should be...And of course no one would have allowed a Synagogue. Shalom~Adoniah
@jb78000 (15139)
12 Sep 10
might help if people who aren't uneducated stopped expressing that opinion then
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@jb78000 (15139)
12 Sep 10
don't think so. doubt a church would have even been noticed, nor a synagogue.
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• United States
12 Sep 10
the reason a Synagogue or a Church wont be noticed is because they did not blow up the World Trade Center, muslims did. regardless if the muslims that want to build the mosque were involved or not, the only muslims the American Citizens hear about is the ones who blow sh1t up. maybe if the moderate muslime stand up and statr denouncing them and start doing things to benefit all people then the association will be gone, but until then muslims = terrorists to the uneducated.
• United States
12 Sep 10
some may call it hate i personalty call it facing reality it is the mulim cause that is called for in the koran to rule the world under islam i personaly as an emigrant to USA did not come here to live under Islam but rather live in freedom we have no place here for shiria law however many Americans these days have decided to hide their heads in the sand and appease these folks instead OF FIGHTING THEM !
• United States
12 Sep 10
So are you calling for a change to the constitution of the United States of America? Our REAL founding fathers escaped religious persecution to find a place where ALL religions are welcome. This has worked out pretty dare well for a long time, so why would you really want to change it. This country has seen many challenges to it's existence, and we have come together as a country to deal with all of them. We have NEVER expelled any people from this country in our nations history, and I hope that doesn't change.
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• United States
13 Sep 10
I don't like hate speech from anyone, even those who randomly decide that all republicans would do this or that, as is stated above. I am a Republican. I think there is every legal right for the Mosque to be built at Ground Zero. I also think it is a cruel thing to do to the surviving families. By the way, if you don't know your history, don't dish on those that do. Muslims DO build huge mosques on sites they consider they have conquered. That does not mean that's why this one is being built. This reminds me of all the hate media over the 8/28 meeting Glenn Beck pulled together. He was called every name in the book and everyone was certain it was nothing more than a meeting to bring people together in hate. That's exactly what the media wrote, although none of them actually attended the whole rally to see the real theme. Finally, yesterday, one editorial writer, Anita Marchesani, admitted she attended the meeting although she fought against it in every way possible. She also took her family and she said "What an amazing experience! I completely understand now. Restoring Honor brings the focus of attenton back to our own behavior, to demand faith, hope, charity and honor of ourselves individually before expecting others to do it. Why? Because these virtues provided the foundation of our exceptional country." Yet, even over two weeks after the event, the media, who have not bothered to hear what was really going on, continue to work on destroying Beck. Chris Matthews decided Beck was claiming Christ as only his own. He completely missed the fact that 200 religious leaders from Muslim to Baptist to Catholic to Jew to Hindu, and everyone in between,linked arms in an all encompassing gesture to unite under the banner of not one God, but under the banners of Faith, Hope and Charity. So how many now will continue to think Beck is the devil incarnate and continue to villify him in every way possible?
@trruk1 (1028)
• United States
13 Sep 10
If these people really think Muslims should be severely restricted or banned altogether in this country because some really extreme Muslims knocked down some buildings, why have they never directed their anger toward internal hate groups? Does anybody remember what happened in Oklahoma City? That was a true-blue homegrown boy that used explosives to make a point. He got caught, was executed, and since then there has been no discernible movement to suppress the radical militias in this country. Law enforcement has nailed a few, mostly for weapons violations, but there are quite a few groups lurking in the woods. Some of them go to Tea Party rallies and spout their particular version of "freedom".
• United States
12 Sep 10
the fact that you said "Republicans would be calling for a ban on muslims from this country, because Rasmussen said so" is in fact full of hate and ignorance. why is it ok for you?
• United States
12 Sep 10
Son, this isn't hate or ignorance, this is a FACT!!!! Republicans recite Rasmussen polls like they are scripture, and then claim that it is the word of the people. I can make a poll say what ever I want it to say, and that came right from the mouth of Karl Rove.
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• United States
14 Sep 10
NO, polls are nothing more than an answer to a question. If I ask you which president was better: Bill Clinton, or Barack Obama? You can then take these results and say that the majority of Americans would like Bill Clinton to be president again. That isn't what the poll says, but how many times do you see the actual question that is asked in these polls? I agree that both sides use these polls to try to influence the rest of the country.
• United States
13 Sep 10
I have heard Republicans quote a lot of different polls. If Democrats quote polls and claim that is the word of the people is that ok? http//:newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/07/19/abc-cbs-wapo-nyt-use-loaded-poll-questions-tout-dem-unemployment-age both sides have a habit of manipulating the poles in there favor
• United States
13 Sep 10
I think the first generation of any emigrant has a hard time assimilating to their new country. The thing about Muslims is that the bad ones are so wickedly bad and the good ones are, for the most part, so silent with their objections regarding the behavior of the bad ones, that it's difficult for many of us to see any Muslims as anything but bad whether they are or are not.
• Philippines
13 Sep 10
I don't know....... wE, in the Philippines had similar experiences in the bombings, one of the worst ones was during the explosion in one of our trains back in 2003, i think..not to mention we got active rebel muslims soldiers and terrorist in Mindanao Islands. Well, If Media thinks the story is so great that some actually sensationalized it, for the ratings of course, REGARDLESS OF THE IMPACT would be on the people who watch it. With regard to your discussions, It's just a Mosque for me. I will panic how ever if i see Fleets of Warships coming Muslim Dominated countries heading to United States like the ones in Red Alert War Games. But i still believe in United States , this is one of the trials that i positively think that US can get over with some day. Military Power in the US is still the strongest in the WORLD, i wouldn't worry about it one bit.[b][/b][i][/i] If US Legislators plans to ban Muslims? they should have done it a long time ago. saying this now, would be to late and such ignorant statements knowing there's already numerous numbers of muslims that are now citizens in the US. [i][/i]
• China
13 Sep 10
very dangerous attitude. all people is equal!
• Pakistan
13 Sep 10
Media and some Muslim Extremists are just spoiling the name of Islam and Muslims.The Muslims never want terror or war.It's the agencies which are actually doing this.And no doubt the great US is funding the fake Talibans