McDonalds getting voting advice

@laglen (19759)
United States
October 30, 2010 10:19am CST
In a letter enclosed in their paychecks, McDonalds employees were advised to vote Republican in order to continue raises and benefits. Some are saying that this is voter intimidation. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101030/ap_on_bi_ge/us_ohio_election_mcdonald_s;_ylt=AnG8m91laF8qxe2_FGrs.8myFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTMwMWtjMnExBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAxMDMwL3VzX29oaW9fZWxlY3Rpb25fbWNkb25hbGRfcwRjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzEEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA29oaW9tY2RvbmFsZA-- I wonder, what is the difference between this employer advising and the liberal unions advising? By the way, I work in a non profit that has gambling. Our state is looking at a governor appointed board to regulate our gambling. This would affect us in a very negative way. My employer pointed this out to me. Do ya think I have a lawsuit?
14 responses
• United States
31 Oct 10
Laglen, the difference is that McDonalds is telling their employees to vote a way and they will get raises, and benefits. Thus, they can directly effect an employees income. Voting for a union candidate isn't going to increase their pay, nor benefits, it is only going to put someone who supports maintaining unions in office (unless the person running for office is a part of the management team of a union company). Your boss didn't tell you that your wage, and benefits will be directly effected if you don't vote one way or the other. He just told you the facts of this race, and how that COULD effect your job. This is why it is always the best policy to keep politics out of the office, even if it COULD effect someones job.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
31 Oct 10
I would never sue over something like this, i just threw it out there as an example.
• United States
30 Oct 10
The difference is that unions don't threaten to withhold bonuses and raises if they don't like who wins the election, and Paul Siegfried did exactly that. "Do ya think I have a lawsuit?" What are the laws in your state? The laws in Ohio very specifically say that employers can't put electioneering information in worker's paychecks.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
31 Oct 10
The laws in Ohio very specifically say that employers can't put electioneering information in worker's paychecks. Bingo there is the million dollar answer. Thank you
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Oct 10
Good point. Apparently it's only right if union thugs do it.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
30 Oct 10
Thank you thats how I saw it as well.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Nov 10
Just out of curiosity, what did you think of Harrah's of Las Vegas ordering their employees to vote for Hairless Reid?
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
3 Nov 10
I saw a snippet of that but didnt look fully at it. what is the story?
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
30 Oct 10
IMO, laglen, the difference between your employer putting pressure on you to vote a certain way and your union doing the same thing is that your employer has the ability to retaliate against you should you not follow his "suggestion" and he finds out about it. Some exmples of that would be loss of hours, not receiving a pay raise, a hostile work environment and, last but not least, the loss of your job.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
30 Oct 10
thank you hofferp, that was my thought too. Also spall, your employer has no of knowing how you voted. Unions are forever trying to open the ballots.
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
30 Oct 10
Spalladino, and you don't think labor unions put pressure on you? I know where I worked they sure as heck did.
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@mattic (282)
• United States
30 Oct 10
There is no "right" to a job. The employers "own" the job, not the employees. If I were a business owner and layoffs were inevitable, the first to go would definetly be those with "hope and change" bumper stickers on their vehicles.
• United States
30 Oct 10
I did hear about the whole McDonald article and I have to say that being that McDonald's is such a big organization I am sure they sought advice form attorneys as to whether this would be a basis for a potential lawsuit. Sure I can bet you can find any attorney to entertain a suit. Whether you win later is an altogether different issue. See the article is urging not saying they have to. It is all in how things are worded. My personal opinion is that they should not be urging period, the right to vote and select should not be urged or dis way in any way. Good Luck.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
30 Oct 10
McDonalds are privately owned (franchises) so I dont think this was a blanket mcdonalds issue. But I agree, If you get the suit, what are the chances of winning. And by the way how can a mcdonalds employee afford a lawyer??
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
30 Oct 10
Many civil law lawyers do not require you to pay, they take a percentage of the *take*. That's how all of those accident law firms get their clients. The employees of this particular McDonald's could also file a class action lawsuit since this action was directed at more than one individual.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
30 Oct 10
good point thank you
@mattic (282)
• United States
30 Oct 10
This is a first amendment issue. McDonald's did not say they would fire employees or punish them for not voting Republican. They were simply stating the reality that DemocRats are blatantly anti-business and their policies would reduce employment (yet again). This should no more be supressed than the idiot MoveOn sycophant who got her butt kicked in KY.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
30 Oct 10
I know a business owner who after the pres election found he had to lay off emplyees. He liked all of his employees so was stuck on who to let go. Finally, he went out into the parking lot and laid off anybody with an obama sticker. This was why he had to lay off so it made sense.
• United States
31 Oct 10
They did say that they would punish them by not continuing raises, and benefits. I would assume that you have the ability to read, but you know what they say when you assume.
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• United States
31 Oct 10
Laglen, what kind of business are you talking about? Anyone that would fire people because of who they vote for won't be in business for long because they have no idea how to run a company.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
31 Oct 10
I don't think much of it, although I would say it's in poor taste. I just don't think personal politics belong in the work place. You should be there to do a job, not campaign and that goes for employees and management. Personally I'd NEVER dealt with political crap at any job until moving to New Jersey. Now I regularly get garbage from the union in my WORK EMAIL telling me how horrible Chris Christie is for everything like expecting state and county employees to pay a minimum of 1.5% (yes really 1.5%) of their salaries for medical benefits. So those poor employees making 30K pay $17 per paycheck and people making 43K pay a whopping $24 per paycheck (insurance used to be 100% free). I also got one about how Chris Christie hates working Americans because he wants to delay unemployment benefits to people fired for misconduct for 4 weeks and deny benefits entirely for people fired for gross misconduct until they obtain new employment. I was sick of their electioneering after the first email. In Florida every government agency I worked for had a strict ban on that kind of crap.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
31 Oct 10
I think it should be banned, thank you for the input.
@tonyllenium (6252)
• Italy
30 Oct 10
i thought they put some brochures in the bigmac..
@tonyllenium (6252)
• Italy
30 Oct 10
ehehe i thought that they put some brocheres in the bigmac...
• United States
30 Oct 10
Personally I think voting is a VERY personal decision. It is up to each individual to research the candidates and chose who they want to vote for. Employers, unions, and all the rest should stay out of it.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
30 Oct 10
I agree, but for the record, they didnt ask who they will vote for, just suggested who they should.
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
31 Oct 10
I would tend to view this as did para and in agreement with laglen. It has been my experience that unions resort to much thuggery and unusually heightened pressure. Wasn't it union boss and Obama's "right- hand man, Andy Stern who said, "First we use the power of persuasion, and then we use the persuasion of power?"
@laglen (19759)
• United States
31 Oct 10
very nice contribution to the discussion.
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
31 Oct 10
Thanks for your kind comment.
@ebuscat (5935)
• Philippines
31 Oct 10
For me they do that so that they can go strong in there business.
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
30 Oct 10
I'm really not ok with either the employer or the unions urging you to vote one way or the other. Give me the facts and I'll make the decision.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
30 Oct 10
I agree but I brought this up due to another poster. Just wanted to give the other side.
• United States
30 Oct 10
There is a huge difference between the unions advising people and a McDonald's manager advising people how to vote. The unions were created and are supported for that exactly. McDonald's is a fast food resturant and has no say in advising people how to vote. I live near that area and was very disappointed to hear of this incident. People need the facts of each candidate rather than a piece of paper saying how to vote.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
31 Oct 10
It is not the employer's place to advise his employees how to vote. It is also not his place to inform the employees who depend on him to earn a living of the *dire* consequences of voting for anyone than the candidates listed below. This is a form of voter intimidation and, again, something you would be screaming about if this man supported Democrat candidates.
@mattic (282)
• United States
31 Oct 10
No one was "told how to vote" (unlike non-profits such as ACORN that pay for people to vote a certain way). The employees were advised that the continued statist policies of the Whiner in Chief and Princess Permagrin would make it necessary to reduce benefits and delay raises. That is the right of businesses which exist, unlike what the Community Organizer thinks, to create profit.